brickfest continues for United States from 3. Why didn't JJ Redick get a look for the national team? Former Duke star played for Coach K. Klay Thompson? Issue needs to be addressed for next Olympics and World Championships...
So far, Durant has been their best 3 point shooter. But don't sleep on the rest of the team. Deron, Kobe, Harden, Melo, and even Lebron can stroke the 3. Plus, the 3 point line is closer at the Olympics.
They'll be fine.
Anybody who has played competitive basketball and has been a consistent shooter knows that distance doesn't translate to difficulty. A shot is not harder to make because it's farther back (within reason).
Making shots is much more about technique than anything else. A bad shooter with lousy technique will miss just as many 14-footers as he will 24-footers.
What makes a shot more difficult is defense. I'll take a wide open 22-footer over a 12-footer with two guys in my face any day of the week.
The point is, the 3-point line being a couple feet closer does not mean it's an easier shot. I know that wasn't really the point of the original post, but I wanted to clear that up.
It's funny, if I'm in a gym or at the park and I make a few really deep treys, if anyone freaks out, I can usually tell the person who freaked out is not a very good shooter himself. If I'm playing with someone who can knock down shots himself, he won't be impressed that I was five feet behind the line because he understands that that really doesn't matter. Shooters understand each other.
Neither of those guys would have a chance in hell of making the team. They have far better players who are pretty good shooters already.
They obviously don't think the trade off of defense and athleticism is worth havin a 3 pt. specialist. I don't know if I agree but lets say the Heat had Andre Igoudala instead of Mike Miller...do you think they would be a better team or not?
They have guys that can shoot but they aren't hitting their shots. If this continues and a team like Brazil or Spain goes 2-3 Zone against them, it could be Mavericks vs Heat in '11 all over again.
all it takes is for the U.S, to go 2-15 and a far overmatched team like Nigeria to go 12-16 to pull off the stunning upset.....just sayin.
Seriously? I am not saying upsets do not happen, but I think you are honestly barking up the wrong tree. Has the US's three point shooting really been that poor? Can guys like Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Love, James Harden, Kobe Bryant and LeBron James not drain regularly from International range? Plus do many other All-Around things to help your team? Are the point guards not all trey ball capable?
How much would these three point specialists really do? Odds are they would barely play. Remember 2008? The US had a great 3 point specialist, Michael Redd. What did he do? Shot 5-18 from 3, 10-31 overall and barely played any meaningful minutes. Athleticism is what separates this team from anyone else. Of course you need specialists, but getting the best All-Around players possible is always the way to go.
The "team full of role players" model has not necessarily been incredibly effective. As much as Reddick and Thompson are great pure shooters, they also are not necessarily the best defenders (especially Klay). I think this team is fine, if anything I would like a little more size in the middle. If anything kills this team, I believe it will be that. Three point shooting (especially against effing Tunisia), will not. To bring this Nigeria scenario is just going WAY overboard.
Have you watched the game ! Just sayin
29/46 3pts 64% ! Just sayin
Eric Gordon? Fourth leading scorer for the '10 World Championship team.
My thoughts exactly. Isnt that what he does? He should have made it over Wade.
LeBron, Melo, Kobe, and Deron can all shoot 3s, but people fail to realize they aren't spot up shooters. It's hard for them to come off a screen and then catch and shoot the ball. It's just not their games or styles to do that, but every team needs those types of players.
Yeah they need a three point shooter, that's why they have blown everyone out
There are way more guys who can shoot as well but actually have other skills too, they'd take Granger over Reddick by a longshot. Klay Thompson is a decent choice but I don't know if he's ready to be thrust into that quite yet.
Agreed. I know Kobe is on the team for honorary reason, but I honestly think that if they picked a 3-point sniper that they'd be a better team. Kobe has no role on the team.
Yes, all the guys you talk about are three point shooters. But are they three point makers? Are they three point winners? A three point winner is a guy who is so good at shooting threes that he will basically always beat you if he gets enough clean looks. He can win games from three point land on a consistent basis. Reggie Miller was a guy like that. Ray Allen is a guy like that. JJ Redick and Steve Novak will can open threes all day and night long. For those guys, the team offense is often looking, as a first option, for them to get a nice look from three. The guys on this team have the shot, but except for Durrant and, to a certain extent, Love it isn't really a dominant weapon. A three point shot becomes a dominant weapon when you get to about a 40% shooting rate. Lebron and Melo might shoot the three from time to time, but nobody is going to say that the focus of the offense should be to get as many clean threes for them. The Knicks, for example, will take Novak shooting an open three, if they can get it, over just about anything else in their offense other than a dunk.
I'm not suggesting that the NBA add a three point shooter, I'm just saying that while the guys on the team can do it (Melo got hot today), they don't really make their money or win games from downtown like some guys in the league. The team should just rely on its athleticism to play D, get steals and then dunk like silly over everyone.
Davis is a beast by the way.
So as Americans we aren't happy with winning by a average of 20 we need to win by 30? Lol. That's like being a undefeated boxer knocking out fighters in the second round but we complain that Iftar fighter should low people out in the first round. People it ain't broke so no need to fix it. The US doesn't NEED a shooter or another player for that matter
I'm not saying that we still won't win it, I'm just saying that we have the potential to be even BETTER if we replace some players w/ 3-point snipers. Like I posted earlier, I would've picked a pure shooter over Kobe, but Kobe has paid his dues, so I know why he's on the team.
Granger would fit great with this team as a spot up shooter but who would you take off the roster? The guy above who said Kobe is possibly missing some screws. I would say Harden is the only player who I could justify being left off. He hasn't played well since the finals and isn't really a catch and shoot player at all. He is a slashing two that needs the ball to be successful. I do like Harden but if anyone doesn't have a role on the team he is the guy not Kobe.
Brandon Rush would be the best fit because he can guard at a high level and is not used to doing too much on his own team, put a guy like Granger or Thompson on there he might start gunning. Redick a decent fit though he is a very underrated defender but actually he does not seem to shoot quite as good as he did in college.
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the 3 point line is further away and the defenses are much better? Just a guess...
Of course you take Harden off the roster, or really Kobe does not give you much but hard to do that to Kobe.
Harden shot 39% from three last season. Kind of tough to improve three point shooting taking him off.
Darn, I should know better than to respond to Enog. Just enough of his stuff makes sense. Then you get trolled.
There isn't a problem.
With Harden, Kobe, Love & Durant there is enough 3 point shooting to win gold this year (especially if you include coaching, defense and fast break points etc).
Next time round you should be able to replace Kobe with Gordon and add Thompson and Curry. You could also look at guys in the most recent draft like Jenkins, Barnes, Beal & the 2 Lamb's. There's never a shortage but I stress again it's not a big deal when things like defense & coaching is so often better.
Wow they had a bad shooting night from 3 early on and still won by 47. Can you imagine the score if they hit their 3's.
Also I wonder if the 1992 dream team would beat this team Tunisia by almost 50 points. You have 2 decades later and better competition and this team beat a team by 47. I think at some point people need to give this team credit.
kobe's on the team becasue he is one of the best players in the game and deserves to be there, has nothign to do with paying his dues. And why are people always so negative about team usa every single time there is internaitonal competition? There were numerous threads in 2010 talking about all the flaws that team had as well, it worked out pretty well.
Well he hasn't played like "one of the best players in the game" so far.
its been 2 blowout games and hes played a total of 21 minutes becasue they havent needed him to log big minutes. Hes scored 14 points in those 21 minutes and has looked just fine out there on the court. Besides, you gonna override his all nba first team season based on 21 minutes of blowout basketball?
I'm not saying he's not a great player, I'm just saying that he has no role on this Team USA team.
sheltwon the dream team won every game by a minimum of 32 points and that was against a Croatia who had a very strong team, they won every game by over 40 other than that I think they would of beaten Tunisia worse. This team will struggle against Russia, France and possibly Spain. Yes they did beat France by 27 but a combination of factors France played 12 guys 10+ minutes so basically did not try to win, shot 2-22 from 3, if they shoot 10-22 they win outright possibly, plus Parker is playing with an eye injury should be closer to 100% by the medal round.
hes one of the best players on the team. His role is a bit of everything. Leadership, defense, post up game. Have you been watching? he looks just fine out there.
Stop riding his dick,everything Kobe got picked last 3 years,is a fluke(all nba team,defensive teams)its a joke,he shouldnt be playing,but its his last olympics and im happy about it
Kobe shot 40% in the five exhibition games leading up to the Olympics and he is shooting 36% so far in the real games. Yes, it doesn't really matter because the exhibition games didn't count (except for us the fans who would have killed these guys if they had lost one) and these Medal games are really not going to be that hard.
Kobe also shot 43% last season. All of these numbers have one thing in common, against any decent team you cannot win basketball games shooting that badly. Now on the Lakers Kobe has the best one two punch of big men in the league. And on US2012 he has Lebron and KD. So the team will get its win and get its medal. But he is the weak link on this team. The main problem (and it isn't a big enough problem to cause US to lose games) is that Harden is looking a little shell shocked from the finals, so you don't have a great back-up SG unless Harden returns to form. Of course, KD can play SG, in which case you do have a great SG. So not really a problem.
But LLpreze, you are crazy if you think Kobe has been fine out there. If you want Kobe to be rated on just points per game, well get ready for him to take a lot of shots to get those points. Do you think Kobe is helping US2012 win games when he is taking shots from other players which would be dunks so he can shoot his 40% 20 foot fade away jumper? Should he do what he did for the Lakers and jack up 24 shots a game? Kobe is a scorer and on this team every time he takes a shot he takes a shot away from teammates who, on average, are much more likely to score on that possession. He's the weakest link.
I assume at some point he is going to be embarrassed enough by his poor shooting % and he will start fighting for better shots. But even that might only bring him into the mid-40s by the end of the Olympics. Guys like Love and Lebron would shoot themselves in the face if they shot less than 50% playing against this level of compeition. For Davis and Chandler, the bare minimum is 60% otherwise they would fire themselves and go home in shame. With Kobe we are lucky if he can bring his shooting up to 45%.
There is more to Kobe's game than shooting. We all know Kobe can put up points if he wants too but he is allowing the younger players to get their time to shine. I am sure with Nash there next season, Kobe will be in the 47% range or higher.
If Kobe can raise his shooting percentage to 47% this season (being one year older), then the Lakers are going to be the top team in the West. I also think there is a chance he can do it, he just needs to put the ball in Nash's hands and wait for the good shots to present themsleves. It is about trusting his teamates. Well he has a first ballot hall of famer now. So it is time to trust.
Kobe can do so many other things on the court as well, that if he isn't shooting a terrible percentage, he becomes again this great player. But it was just aweful that he lead the league in FG attempts at 24 (Lebron and KD were second at only 20), while he shot a terrible 43%. If he either takes less shots (and leaves some for Nash who has a crazy high shooting percentage) or gets that shooting percentage up, the Lakers will dominate.
I think their 3 point shooting is just fine.
U.S. spit on this thread today
Melo spit on this thread hehehe...
Yeah they do need to add other players. Just like I said before if it ain't broke why fix it
team usa cant shoot threes and kobe doesnt deserve to be there. Only one game obviously, but pretty good timing for this thread guys. Brings the lulz
Melo, K Love, Deron Williams, Kobe, Russell Westbrook, Andre Iguodala, Harden, Durant and Chris Paul all looked liked snipers today. Lol. It's just one game but Durant is this teams sniper.