Just saw the scouting report put out for Tyus and I don't think I have ever seen such low potential and athleticism scores for a top ranked point guard in the country. I haven't seen much of him play, just some highlights from youtube. He seems to be along the lines of a Kendall Marshall athletically, but not as good of a passer. We all know how much Kendall struggled in his first year with the Suns. He seems to be a great leader with a great feel for the game, but it seems he will be physically outmatched most nights on the college level and even worse in the NBA. How do you guys think he will do in college, most likely at Duke, and where will he get drafted once he enters the league?
He's a better athlete than Kendall Marshall is. His body control and finishing ability is much better. He's not like the en vogue, uber athletic PGs like Westbrook and Wall. He actually plays at a pace that allows him to see plays develop, but he is sneaky athletic with an uncanny ability to maneuver and contort his body for different releases around the painted area. If he can't get all the way to the rim, he has an excellent floater and pull up game as well. He's a much better scorer than Marshall was at the same age, with better touch on his jumper from all over the floor, better first step, better change of speed and direction, he actually gets low and has a knack for getting his shoulder lower and past his defender. You watch Marshall try to drive and he's almost always upright with his man riding his hip, unable to turn the corner
He's the most advanced PG mentally and skill-wise that I've seen at this stage since Kyrie and I think he's still a lotto, first PG off the board type talent. MUCH better than other ballyhooed young PGs like Kasey Hill. His skill level is off the charts good. I think because of how he easy he makes the game look and the pace that he plays at, people get the impression that he's unathletic, but that's not the case. His quickness is good enough to be effective in either the half or full court. I think that's a major advantage he'll have over other highly touted, rawer PGs coming into college. He's already a dynamite half court PG who knows how to play the PnR game. Not just high ball screen and dive to the bucket game, but legit PnR, setting up a 2-3 man game PnR.
Siggy would u say he's the best point guard prospect since Irving? better than guys like knight, walker, lillard, trey Burke, MCW, and even guys like smart and Andrew Harrison who will be drafted next season? What makes Tyus so special and a can't miss prospect at the point guard position.
I'd say he's a better player at the same stage than all of those aforementioned guys. He doesn't have the ceiling that Harrison or Mudiay have, but I think he'll require the least amount of improvement skill-wise, it'll take him less time to get adjusted to each next level and you don't have to worry about the maturity of his game bc it's already mature. Him "getting it" won't ever be an issue. Given his skill level and intangibles, the chances of him reaching his potential are very high.
Ya I know he's a better player than all of them at the same stage, maybe expect knight who would probably be ranked higher if they were in the same class. But I'm asking if u think that Tyus Jones will be the best point guard prospect since Irving
Nah i think he was better than Knight at the same stage. Knight was pretty much a ball-dominant, undersized, volume scoring two with little floor game. His ability to run a team wasn't great, neither was his overall IQ and you can see how that has translated to the next levels.
In order for Tyus to be the best of the bunch, Mudiay would have to not come close to his potential. Mudiay isn't as skilled and isn't as good as Jones is at running a offense but what he has over Jones is the ability to physically dominate his matchup offensively, as well as more potential on the defensive end of the floor. Same could be said for Harrison. The side of the floor I'd be worried about with Tyus is on defense. He's a cool customer, but plays it cool on the defensive end too which is a no-no. He doesn't play with much intensity on that end. Combine that with his size and he could be a liability there. Tyus might always be better running an offense and he could always be more skilled but he'll never have the ability to physically dominate his matchup.
It's true that no single one of his attributes jumps out at you, but that's because he's good at EVERYTHING. He's so smart on the court, such a brilliant decision maker, that you ironically don't notice him because he's very rarely making mistakes. Even though he's not up there with D-Rose, Wall, Westbrook as an athletic freak of nature (let's be real- very few NBA'ers are), he'll stick around in the league for a long time because of the head on his shoulders and his overall skill level.
I'm guessing you're in Minnesota too and watched the State tournament this year? That's all I've seen from him really outside of highlight videos, but I don't see how he can't be something of a game manager at the NBA level.
He's the next Tony Parker
i think people are overlooking his long term potential
i think right now hes very overated, he is the 1 guy in the 2014 class whom i never understood why he was ranked so damn high
very small, skills are good but not great, just reminds me of another austin rivers...lots of hype and mixtapes are cool but if this guy plays more than 5 years in the nba then I will be shocked
He's nothing like Austin Rivers, we all hyped Austin Rivers off hoopmixtape and ballislife video's with extreme beats and clips of Rivers visibly over dribbling and ballhogging. You will never see Tyus Jones doing too much dribbling moves or trying to over dribble to find his shot, he has a mature game for his age. His skills are great, he has elite passing skills for a PG his age. You guys are saying he's average at things because he doesn't make his moves in a flash manner. He takes what the defense gives him and still manages to average 28 and 9. Doesn't force much either managing to average less than one turnover a game. If he was always looking for his own, was crazy athletic and a chucker with half the basketball skill he had now, you guys would label him a perennial all star.
You guys are seeming to forget that skill exceeds athleticism in a sport where skill is needed more than athleticism.
You are a pretty awful evaluator of talent. I usually try not to point stuff like this out, but I just noticed your posts and tend to disagree with everything you say.
and to the guy above my posts...the long term potential is the thing that scares me the most with jones, i honestly dont see much long term potential at all....my prediction for him is...great HS player, pretty good college player(maybe an aaron craft type career) and then he will get drafted late 1st round/early second and then just do nothing in the nba
I think his floor is Mike Conley which is pretty good. Not super athlete but a adequate one. Good ball handler and good shooter. Not better than Andrew Harrison who is not only skilled but big
He'll be very good. He just turned 17 a few months ago so could even grow another inch.
I think Tyus Jones is the most college ready PG from this class and it is not close. I think he is significantly a better player than Mudiay. (It baffles me how high people are on him when he shot 15% from the 3 point line this AAU season). Jones has an IQ off the charts and just dominates the game in all aspects. A terrific ball handler, passer, and shooter. He is a threat from everywhere on the floor. I believe he comes into college right away and averages 14 points and 7 assists a game.
Where my concerns are with him are his upside. He doesn't have elite athleticism. People compare him to Irving, but Irving is a lot quicker and a better leaper. Jones is actually a poor athlete. He beats people with his IQ (which again is off the charts). He is going to need a lot of picks to pick his spots on the floor in the NBA as he does get the ball stolen from him a lot against good defenders on the HS level (Joel Berry has picked his pocket about 7 times between their past two meetings.) In terms of upside I would put him 4th in this class behind Mudiay, Berry and Lyles of whom I think will all at least be solid starters in the NBA. This years class of PG's and SF's is STACKED.
With all that being said I think that a smaller Goran Dragic is a great comparison for Jones in terms of style and impact. Jones is going to be a problem on the college level though.
You don't get to the rim and finish as well as he does being a poor athlete. This kid was the 2nd most prolific scorer in the EYBL, Peach Jam included, and actually scored the most total points on 55%! from the floor (while also getting to the line 8 times a game.) That is pretty ridiculous for a guard his size... and they were definitely not mostly jumpers. In a high volume, run and gun environment like AAU, it is almost unheard of for a small guard to be so damn efficient from the field. That was because he gets into the paint with ease and is a straight up shot maker when he gets there.
Berry isn't a great vertical athlete either and he's not the shot maker that Jones is . Lyles is overrated IMO. He plays way too slow and deliberate, he's ball-dominant, takes a lot of time with the ball with questionable decision making which is a bad combination. Reminds me a lot of Frank Williams.
Why does Tyus jones have more upside and potential than trey Burke
Well for starters he is better at the same point so he's already starting at a higher floor. He's a better playmaker at the same stage, better distributor, finisher, has better shot selection, has less wasted movement, etc. He simply has less to learn about his position and less improvement to make mentally and skill wise to make jumps to the next levels. Skill-wise and in terms of intangibles he's as advanced as a PG can get for his age. He won't have to invest as much time learning his position and improving skillwise, so he can just focus on improving physically and getting adjusted to his teammates. As far as actual skills I think Tyus will be a better finisher. He has impeccable body control and a wide array of releases in the paint, including an exceptional floater game that he has with either hand. He also already knows how to draw fouls (AKA flop) which is more of an NBA skill and something Trey does not do well (just look at his FT attempts). Trey has a tendency to hang in the air when contact is initiated and shooting well on his way down, resulting in low % shots. As I mentioned Tyus has very little wasted movement in his game. He doesn't play with the ball excessively, attempting multiple moves which Trey tends to do on occasion with multiple crosses and stepbacks (he was very reliant on the stepback, which is a pretty low percentage shot). Tyus only does what is necessary to take advantage of an opening, which makes him a more precise, quick strike player able to get into the paint more easily where I think he has more potential as a scorer while also being the better playmaker instinctively.
ya I know jones is better than Burke at that same stage, that can be said about alot of people, but what I'm saying is that I'm not sure if jones will be the better prospect after he plays his 1 year at duke or w/e he decides than Burke was after his sophomore year at Michigan
I actually agree with a lot that you said, but Berry is a MUCH better athlete I am sorry. Berry on a bum knee looked more athletic than Jones head to head. That said it doesn't take an expert to know that Jones is the better player right now and is a much more consistent scorer. However due to Berry's freakish strength and superior athleticism combined with work ethic, it's hard not to see him put it all together and be Mike Conley like at the next level. As far as Jones goes, he got to the rim yes, but what makes you think that he being laterally challenged will get past the likes of Jrue Holiday etc consistently? Heck he had trouble getting past Berry on a bum knee in one on one situations. I just think Jones is MUCH closer to his ceiling than Mudiay, Berry, Lyles due to his lack of athleticism. But like I said I believe he will be a phenomenal college PG right off the bat and a solid middle tier PG in the NBA. Goran Dragic (who is no slouch) is what I expect out of him. If he proves me wrong though I won't get mad if you rub it in my face. From everything I hear he is a fantastic kid and I am rooting for him.