Ty Lawson
I'll accept that Ty Lawson had better players surrounding him, but I'm not sure you can dismiss his statistics so easily. Ty led the country in offensive efficiency and indeed had a historically high number for someone who had the ball in his hands so much. Other players have been surrounded by good teammates in the past. The other thing that you have to look out for is in which direction the correlation goes. Maybe Carolina as a whole was better because of Ty Lawson and the other players look decent because of his presence. How many easy shots did Carolina get because of his setups?
Frankly, I don't want Flynn shooting NBA 3's if he can't even shoot college ones at an efficient level. And if he can actually shoot, then he has serious shot selection problems which can also be an issue. How do we know Flynn is a better ballhandler. All of Ty's stats are better and you even acknowledge he passes the eye test... you just assert that this is somehow an illusion!
in the history of his league so the comment about everyone plays in their teens is not 100% true (even though they do start at a younger age over there.) Experience is not something you can teach and the euro leagues are MUCH better than the ncaa so you have to say he has the experience to play nba ball especially relative to other guards in this draft.
No point guard in this draft will be a star from day one, a few of them will be able to make strong contributions in their first year (rubio, lawson, maynor) In fact, despite last year it is pretty rare for any point guard to be a star from day one. I am not saying rubio will either, I am only saying he is much further along in his development than any other pg in this draft, especially guys like Holiday.
You make a few nice points. Now, lets talk reality and Carolina point guards. Let's start!
Ed Cota
Shammad Williams
Jeff McInnis
Joe Forte?
Ty Lawson
All of the guys look pretty good in the Carolina system when they had tons of talent around.
D Hamp...the greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.
You're right that those players didn't make it great in the NBA but for different reasons that Ty Lawson might not. Ed Cota could never shoot that well and was pretty much a set up man. He was also a little slow but with great handle. He's had a good Euroleague career but he wasn't gonna be an NBA starter. He stayed four years for a reason.
Shammond Williams was more of a combo and never had the assist to turnover ratio that Ty did.
Jeff McInnis is terrible and was advised not to go to the NBA by Dean Smith in 95. I'll accept any criticism there haha.
Joe Forte was also advised not to go and was a combo guard. That's a fair comparison because he was definitely hyped unlike the other points. He is the only first round pick point guard on your list. However, as I said, he was a different point.
I think the best comparison would be someone like Kenny Smith or Raymond Felton. Ty's stats were better than both. Raymond never shot like Ty does and still can't finish like Ty does.
lawson can't shoot off the dribble and when your small thats the main thing you gotta have. i think he could be telfair, the days of the pass first low scoring point guard are over.look at all the guards around the league u gotta have a j there is no way around it.derrick rose was bigger but you see how he struggled when he couldn't penetrate. in a regularaly strong draft he would go late seco/nd to undrafted. the mere fact we are having this conv. stresses the growing doubt professional gm's have.
Zk. I've played in europ for 5 years. Brother for 10 and had a teammate who's playedfor 15. The biggest misconception is that it's much better then the NCAA. There are some teams that are better but not alot and there are alot more teams worst then NCAA teams than better alot of the playyers there were 4th options on there college team
But are now stars . Alot people who know basically nothing about euro basket ball seem to get this wrong so ur not alone. Also for those who think just because a player is higher then another on a mock draft or gets drafted higher is a better player u really don't know as much about the draft as u think
the day of tyhe low scoring pass first guards arent over..good lord if that isnt a overexaggeration lakers pg isnt high scoring..the only reason rondo scored more is because kg was hurt they still won the title last year wth rondo not scoring much..youcan stillwin a title with a low scoring gurad..all it takes is a star sg sf pf or c or a good team these highscoreing guards are pretty much out of theplayoffs and the title game will in all likely hood bebetween l.a and orlando..which both have pgs that arent highscores,..you dont need a high scoring pg to win
What you said made no sense. Lawson is faster. He also is a better decision maker. Look at their a/t ratio and tell me who makes better decisions...CLEARLY LAWSON! The fact that you said Flynn is a better decision maker shows that you're just a Syracuse Orange suck up.
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