TWolves/Warriors Trade Ides
Just read that people out in San Fran want the Warriors to pursue Al Jefferson if he is available. If this is truly the case. Here is a scenario that I propose:
The Wolves would get a star in Ellis, an extremely athletic big in Randolph, and the BPA at 6.
The Warriors would get the big that they desperately need, who is awful at defense which fits what the Warriors look for in players. They can than also grab Wesley Johnson at 4, who would fit into their system nicely and fill a need.
A star?? Nah.. Ellis is simply a ball hog... Good trade for the Warriors, not so much for the Wolves..
for the twolves i love this trade, we could then draft a good big, hopefully cousins fall to 6 or maybe a cole aldrich(probably too high for him). This would finally give the twolves the scorer on the wing they never had.
By trading with the Warriors, and involving Jefferson, it leaves that window open that Cousins possibly slips to 6. Also, if Cousins is the player that they truly wanted than perhaps they could just swap picks with the Kings and throw in the 23rd? That is assuming the Kings have no interest in Cousins. I think the kings would rather have Aminu or Monroe than Cousins though. Also, to say that Ellis isn't a star would be false. I didn't say he was a superstar or a top 15 player, but Monta can put the ball in the basket and would become the Wolves best offensive player instantly. If the Wolves could pull this off, and have Cousins fall to them. They would come out of the draft with:
I challenge someone to explain how they could possibly come out of the draft with anything better than this. And be realistic. There lineup would be young, talented, deep and cheap enough to add another proven vet to pair with Ellis.
PG- Flynn, Sessions, Rubio??
SG- Ellis, Ellington, 16 pick - James Anderson?
SF - Corey Brewer, Ryan Gomes
PF - Love, Randolph
C- Cousins, Hollins
I respect your opinion about Monta but I disagree.. He is a product of a system.. He is good and he can score but outside of the Warriors he is just another small scoring guard.. He is going to hinder the development of Flynn as a point guard and a leader. He is going to dribble the ball too much, he is going to turn the ball over too much and he is going to take too many bad shots.. Yea he would be the best offensive player but it is because he will be a black hole on that team.
Agreed, Great trade for the Wolves. Their Frontcourt now isn't getting the job done so you basically have to move Jefferson, and teams know that. So they will try to give as little as possible. A 25 ppg scorer, a pick only two slots lower, and a young/versatile pf in return is as good an offer as you could recieve
If we got the 4th pick we'd get cuz, wtf is the point of Al? No
The point is... Al is a PROVEN, productive big man who is a tremendous scorer and rebounder. Add to that the fact that you could pick up Wesley Johnson and solidify two holes in the Warriors roster. I didn't just make this up, the interest for Jefferson is coming out of San Fran. You also rid yourself of Ellis, who is going to get traded at somepoint anyway and Jefferson is by far the best player you can get for Ellis, that goes the same way for Jefferson and the Wolves too. So Basically, you can sit at 6, not get Cousins, probably not get Johnson, and be screwed and not fill your biggest need. OR trade for Jefferson, fill your biggest need with a PROVEN player and pick up Johnson to top it off. But you're right. this trade is definitely dumb................
Yea... I am starting to like this more and more... It puts AL in his natural position, PF, because of Biedrins, gives them a young SF, Johnson, or a young C to develop in Cousins..
That doesnt look too bad.. Especially for the Warriors..
Then, the Wolves:
Isnt great but they would be trouble...
Like I said earlier, good trade for the Warriors, not so much for the Wolves.
Jefferson, in my opinion, doesn't fit particularly well with the Warriors. He's slow, too slow for their system...
"Al Jefferson is a low post player, but one of the strengths of the Minnesota Timberwolves are that they played at the 3rd fastest pace in the NBA. Al Jefferson often times struggled to get back on defense after running a fast break, or had a complete lapse on the defensive end due to his lack of serious conditioning."
The Warriors play at fastest pace in the NBA, so if he didn't fit well with the Timberwolves, it's even less likely that he'd fit well with the Warriors. It'd be like Brand 2.0; the 76ers have a running team with Iguodala and Williams, but Brand slows them down and makes them worse.
That's not to say that Jefferson is finished like Brand is; it just means that Jefferson is a poor fit. If he went instead to a half-court team that lacks a real big man, he might be good again...but that's not the Warriors.
In my opinion, it boils down to: is the fourth pick worth Jefferson's bad contract, the sixth pick, and the loss of Anthony Randolph? Randolph has potential but has attitude problems and may never reach that potential; still, it's only really been one year in the League for Randolph, since he went out with a ridiculous injury early last season, and so it's a bit early to give up on him. The fourth pick will probably not net the Warriors the best fit for their team, Derrick Favors, because the Nets are picking 3rd and they desperately need a good power forward; Johnson is not so much better than Al-Farouq Aminu at the 6th that he warrants being traded up for.
I didn't mention Ellis because as far as I know, GS is looking to move him anyway; he's a 6-3 SG, and while he scores at a high clip, does so inefficiently and does not mesh well with Curry. Curry is the franchise as of right now, so I think Ellis will be moved sometime in the offseason.
Oh, and by the way, to the guy who said the Warriors look for no defense as a quality in their players? I'm sorry, but that's just stupid...
i think the twolves should try to trade up to the second pick or some way some how try to end up with Evan Turner..
no trading monta the face of the franchise
stunt flynns growth hes not gonna be a star
Why trade for a small SG, and a worse pick. If the Twolves make a trade it will be to move up and snag the guy kahn wants, even turner. Who would be sick, and they can still possibly snag a center with the 16th pick. And as much as a can't believe i am saying this, Darko actually looked good playing for the wolves. I know he's been around, but with the wolves insisting that they are focused on player development he could become an alright player. Plus if anyone can help me out with this one it would be appreciated, but i remember two or three years ago the wolves drafted a center out of Europe who i heard is a good talent and wants to come over.
Good point Baggins. Kahn is not even thinking about Ellis. He wants Turner. He will do everything he possibly can to get him. This trade might happen. Al Jefferson and the 4th pick to the Sixers for the 2nd pick and Elton Brand. Sixers want to get rid of Brand anyways and he can be traded along with 16th pick to somewhere else
I think that center you are talking about was drafted in 2006 with the 57th pick. Looked it up but I can't pronounce his name nor remember how it is spelled. I don't know too much about him so maybe he could be a backup to Milicic
That's who it is, Wow quite a mouthful!! Tried to look up some info on him on draft express but can't find him so I don't if he will be anything at all.
Ellis and Curry worked for the warriors as a 1 and 2 because of Curry's shooting and sensible defense. If Ellis ends up with the wolves... you have to start him at the 1 or 2 aswell. Flynn is only 6ft tall. Bigger PG's will abuse Flynn and that leaves bigger SG's to do the same thing to Ellis. The one good thing Ellis will bring to the wolves is a break down scorer who can create his own shot and get to the free throw line. That was something they were seriously missing last season.
Jefferson was remarkably slow last season but it was his first one back after knee surgery. Its really hard to get back into the shape he was before after only a few months during the offseason and then trying to do it on the fly during the regular season. Look how long its taken Garnett for instance... and he's still not all the way back. Next year KG will be even better. I think Jefferson will get some explosiveness back for the coming season. Don't get me wrong, Jefferson was never a freak athlete but he is faster and more agile then he showed last year.
Its alittle to early to call Flynn yet. He works really hard and you know he wants to be great. Flynn stayed at syracuse all 4 years. There's a reason for that. I think Flynn ends up as an above average backup in this league in the future. Kahn dropped the ball on him as that high of a pick last season. Jennings, Curry, Collison, Lawson... etc. All would have been better then Flynn has played in his first season for the wolves. However, it may have just been a product of the wolves hybrid triangle that they run which is overly complicated. Im sure Flynn will improve this offseason and come back a stronger/better player. Season 2 for Fylnn will be a real marker for how his career progress's. I hope for the wolves sake he does exceptionally well so that he has trade value around the league for when Rubio comes over.
Ya, i was having trouble finding anything about him, but as a wolves fan i gotta have hope.