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  • #62289
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     I am wondering what a better scenerio would be for the Twolves, A)Make the final playoff spot don’t and receive a draft pick and focus on FAor (top 12 protected)  B)Continue the same level of play and receive a top 5 pick.

    A) I don’t think the Wolves need another young player, not that a top 3-5 talent wouldn’t help the team but how many young players will you be able to sign mid-long term and build your team around. As of now only 3 players in my mind are un tradable Wiggins, LaVine, and Towns everyone else could/should be on the trade block.

    B) End up with (ideally) 1-5 pick. We could use a bad ass PF or a more current style of PG, and we need 3 point shooting and peremiter D. With that being said what pick would fit the Wolves the best? I would like to see another 7′ down low next to Towns to form a twin towers. Skal or maybe Dragan. And of course Simmons would be great.

    Let me know what you think would be better for the wolves A or B

     

     

     

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  • #1033826
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    I’ve thought about this topic lots of times as well and I honestly think that going for Option A is their best bet. You’ve relayed most of the reasons why already in your post. I just think they already have enough young players and in terms of capabilities and potential, they are also good enough already to form a core going forward. Developing too many talented (and sooner more entitled) young players at the same time really creates a problem with playing time, team roles, contract extensions, cap space, etc.

    Even if they fall short, they’ll still have a lottery pick that they may use for a vet in their mid-late prime. They don’t necessarily need an "old" guy ala KG or Prince or Miller, just another solid role playing vet still good enough to last a few seasons with the young core as they get accustomed to a winning mentality.

    I say this because I think the Wolves are soewhat ahead of their rebuilding timeline and the sooner they can get back on track to instilling a winning mentality and culture for these young guys, the better. Wiggins has really grown well into being a go-to option. Still inconsistent and lots of room for improvement, but he has at least shown the willingness to take that role. KAT, on the other hand, is proably even better than what they thought he would be at this point and seems to be a natural go-to option and only really needs more experience to even become more dominant. Won’t elaborate too much on the other young guys anymore, but they mostly fit well into the team’s plans. With good veteran leadership and players who know their roles (and better coaching), this team is really bound to make somem legit noise as early as next season.

     

     

     

     

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  • #1033693
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    Tioseco
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    I’ve thought about this topic lots of times as well and I honestly think that going for Option A is their best bet. You’ve relayed most of the reasons why already in your post. I just think they already have enough young players and in terms of capabilities and potential, they are also good enough already to form a core going forward. Developing too many talented (and sooner more entitled) young players at the same time really creates a problem with playing time, team roles, contract extensions, cap space, etc.

    Even if they fall short, they’ll still have a lottery pick that they may use for a vet in their mid-late prime. They don’t necessarily need an "old" guy ala KG or Prince or Miller, just another solid role playing vet still good enough to last a few seasons with the young core as they get accustomed to a winning mentality.

    I say this because I think the Wolves are soewhat ahead of their rebuilding timeline and the sooner they can get back on track to instilling a winning mentality and culture for these young guys, the better. Wiggins has really grown well into being a go-to option. Still inconsistent and lots of room for improvement, but he has at least shown the willingness to take that role. KAT, on the other hand, is proably even better than what they thought he would be at this point and seems to be a natural go-to option and only really needs more experience to even become more dominant. Won’t elaborate too much on the other young guys anymore, but they mostly fit well into the team’s plans. With good veteran leadership and players who know their roles (and better coaching), this team is really bound to make somem legit noise as early as next season.

     

     

     

     

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  • #1033830
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    So option A is to turn the switch on, start winning more games and contend for the last playoff spot and lose your 1st round pick (top 12 protected) to Boston. 

    Option B is to keep playing like you are and Draft another young talent. 

    Option B is your only choice. It would be nice if the Twolves could just flick that proverbial switch and make a playoff run with their young core but if it was that easy they would have done it years ago. Minnesota has been rebuilding since KG left town, there was Love for a few years but he bolted asap. You’ve been waiting this long, what’s 1 more year to wait to make a push for the playoffs? Plus you will be adding another young talent to your team. Wait you don’t want to have too many good, young talented players. How would you manage that, lol.

    Bottom line hope for individual improvement from your young guys and take another top 10 Draft pick. Worry about making a push for the playoffs this time next year.

    You have Wiggins and KAT as your 2 man core and you could add your 3rd this year. Shabazz and Dieng are great energy players off the bench. The best big man is probably the way to go in the draft. KAT skill set gives you that luxury to take a true center in Poltel or a PF type in Skal/Rabb. I don’t really care for Rubio’s or LaVine’s game but Murray should be available if you want a guard that can shoot.

     

     

     

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  • #1033697
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    TeslaBaller
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    So option A is to turn the switch on, start winning more games and contend for the last playoff spot and lose your 1st round pick (top 12 protected) to Boston. 

    Option B is to keep playing like you are and Draft another young talent. 

    Option B is your only choice. It would be nice if the Twolves could just flick that proverbial switch and make a playoff run with their young core but if it was that easy they would have done it years ago. Minnesota has been rebuilding since KG left town, there was Love for a few years but he bolted asap. You’ve been waiting this long, what’s 1 more year to wait to make a push for the playoffs? Plus you will be adding another young talent to your team. Wait you don’t want to have too many good, young talented players. How would you manage that, lol.

    Bottom line hope for individual improvement from your young guys and take another top 10 Draft pick. Worry about making a push for the playoffs this time next year.

    You have Wiggins and KAT as your 2 man core and you could add your 3rd this year. Shabazz and Dieng are great energy players off the bench. The best big man is probably the way to go in the draft. KAT skill set gives you that luxury to take a true center in Poltel or a PF type in Skal/Rabb. I don’t really care for Rubio’s or LaVine’s game but Murray should be available if you want a guard that can shoot.

     

     

     

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  • #1033848
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    PulseGlazer
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     One more draft pick seems right, but more important, I think, is a new coach next year.

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    PulseGlazer
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     One more draft pick seems right, but more important, I think, is a new coach next year.

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  • #1033853
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    123BballMaster
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     First off, there is no such thing as too much young talent, especially for a long suffering franchise who’s not going to get marquee FA’s such as Minnesota. Because they play in the western conference, there was really no shot for the Wolves to make it into the playoffs. I think Minnesota is slightly ahead of their rebuilding schedule, Wiggins has improved from his rookie season, KAT is the ROY as of right now and Lavine and Rubio make up a interesting backcourt of the future. But make no mistake getting talent through the draft is the only way a team like Minnesota is going to compete for a championship. Because they have foundational players in Wiggins, KAT, and Lavine, they can start drafting for talent and to fill needs. Currently, their biggest need is finding a replacement for KG at PF or drafting a "true" center and moving KAT to PF. There dream scenario would be If they are able to draft Skal from UK, that would give them a team similar to San Antonio, with two skilled bigs who can shoot, post, and pass, as well as a do it all wing in Wiggins and a smart veteran PG in Rubio. Sam Mitchell is very good for this team even though he runs a basic offense, because he is known to a good developer of young players (Bosh in Toronto, KAT, Wiggins). I think the Wolves are on the right path and should not rush to try and make it to the playoffs any time soon. 

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     First off, there is no such thing as too much young talent, especially for a long suffering franchise who’s not going to get marquee FA’s such as Minnesota. Because they play in the western conference, there was really no shot for the Wolves to make it into the playoffs. I think Minnesota is slightly ahead of their rebuilding schedule, Wiggins has improved from his rookie season, KAT is the ROY as of right now and Lavine and Rubio make up a interesting backcourt of the future. But make no mistake getting talent through the draft is the only way a team like Minnesota is going to compete for a championship. Because they have foundational players in Wiggins, KAT, and Lavine, they can start drafting for talent and to fill needs. Currently, their biggest need is finding a replacement for KG at PF or drafting a "true" center and moving KAT to PF. There dream scenario would be If they are able to draft Skal from UK, that would give them a team similar to San Antonio, with two skilled bigs who can shoot, post, and pass, as well as a do it all wing in Wiggins and a smart veteran PG in Rubio. Sam Mitchell is very good for this team even though he runs a basic offense, because he is known to a good developer of young players (Bosh in Toronto, KAT, Wiggins). I think the Wolves are on the right path and should not rush to try and make it to the playoffs any time soon. 

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    • #1033857
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      BallerScript
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      If they draft Skal it wouldn’t be like San Antonio. Skal is a great post player and has a really poor passing I.Q.

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    • #1033723
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      BallerScript
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      If they draft Skal it wouldn’t be like San Antonio. Skal is a great post player and has a really poor passing I.Q.

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  • #1033733
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    Tioseco
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    I am not saying that it’s bad to have too much young talent, just that it rarely ever works out that all these young guys grow up and blossom together, forming this formidable team they all can hypothetically form in the future. Just look at OKC with KD, Russ, Ibaka, Harden (even Reggie Jackson and all their other mid-1st rd picks that have busted as well as Cameron Payne). They had such a difficult time balancing out the egos, roles, playing time and contracts of these players that they had to give some of them away without really getting that much in return. As it is, the Wolves already have Wiggins, KAT, Lavine, Dieng, Shabazz, and even Adrien Payne.

    I’m only saying that they should at least try to compete for the last playoff spot, but I also think they will come up short. Again, at least instill that winning mentality already since they are ahead of their rebuilding timeline already,

    This will also lead to them probably finishing around 10th-13th in the West, thus keeping their own pick. At this point in the draft the players available project more as above-average role players rather than future stars, which would fit what the Wolves need more than a top-5 pick who is assumed to develop into a star (and a higher risk to bust) who will soon demand star-level money from a team who will have commited such money to Wiggins and KAT already (aka the Harden dillema) and probably also some above average deals for some of their other young guys mentioned above. Heck, I think that they might already face this dilemma soon with their current group of young guys. At the same time, having so many young players who think they can become stars on the same team might also hinder their development because there is only one ball and also only a limited amount of minutes to play in a basketball game. This reduce their trade value as well. 

    Now, I am only saying all these things because I already believe in the two building blocks the Wolves have, and now they only really need supplemental players – which I think the other young guys have the capability to grow into as well. Wiggins in Year 3 will be big and KAT might already be a 20-10 guy who can score on all levels by Year 2, and that duo will probably be occupying headlines this time next season. (I also believe that Lavine has star potential but I know this is faaaaar from a sure thing).

      

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    • #1033739
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      Tioseco
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      Wow I forgot about Rubio and Tyus Jones. Gotta add those two on the list of Timberpups that are pppart of the rebuild

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    • #1033873
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      Tioseco
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      Wow I forgot about Rubio and Tyus Jones. Gotta add those two on the list of Timberpups that are pppart of the rebuild

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  • #1033867
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    Tioseco
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    I am not saying that it’s bad to have too much young talent, just that it rarely ever works out that all these young guys grow up and blossom together, forming this formidable team they all can hypothetically form in the future. Just look at OKC with KD, Russ, Ibaka, Harden (even Reggie Jackson and all their other mid-1st rd picks that have busted as well as Cameron Payne). They had such a difficult time balancing out the egos, roles, playing time and contracts of these players that they had to give some of them away without really getting that much in return. As it is, the Wolves already have Wiggins, KAT, Lavine, Dieng, Shabazz, and even Adrien Payne.

    I’m only saying that they should at least try to compete for the last playoff spot, but I also think they will come up short. Again, at least instill that winning mentality already since they are ahead of their rebuilding timeline already,

    This will also lead to them probably finishing around 10th-13th in the West, thus keeping their own pick. At this point in the draft the players available project more as above-average role players rather than future stars, which would fit what the Wolves need more than a top-5 pick who is assumed to develop into a star (and a higher risk to bust) who will soon demand star-level money from a team who will have commited such money to Wiggins and KAT already (aka the Harden dillema) and probably also some above average deals for some of their other young guys mentioned above. Heck, I think that they might already face this dilemma soon with their current group of young guys. At the same time, having so many young players who think they can become stars on the same team might also hinder their development because there is only one ball and also only a limited amount of minutes to play in a basketball game. This reduce their trade value as well. 

    Now, I am only saying all these things because I already believe in the two building blocks the Wolves have, and now they only really need supplemental players – which I think the other young guys have the capability to grow into as well. Wiggins in Year 3 will be big and KAT might already be a 20-10 guy who can score on all levels by Year 2, and that duo will probably be occupying headlines this time next season. (I also believe that Lavine has star potential but I know this is faaaaar from a sure thing).

      

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  • #1033737
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     I think the Wolves should try and win as many games as possible, and start to create a winning culture. They already have enough young talent in:

    Towns

    Dieng

    Wiggins

    Shabazz

    Lavine

    All of those guys have shown that they are NBA players, and Wiggins/Lavine/Towns have shown that they have all-star potential. Next year I expect Wiggins and Lavine to take another step, and with Towns already in tow, I don’t think they are going to want to continue the rebuilding process. They need to focus on developing the players they have under a NEW head coach who actually knows that they’re doing. 

    If they don’t win out, and keep their pick, I would honestly try to trade it for a starting 4. Something like Pick #6-11 and possibly Shabazz for Farried would be a nice deal. Getting a good defensive 4 who can run the floor and rebound would be awesome for the wolves. 

    I think drafting and stashing Bender would be a good move too, but it all depends on who is available. If they think Dunn/Murrey are can’t miss prospects than I agree that they should keep the pick, and then develope them while Rubios contract plays out. 

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  • #1033871
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     I think the Wolves should try and win as many games as possible, and start to create a winning culture. They already have enough young talent in:

    Towns

    Dieng

    Wiggins

    Shabazz

    Lavine

    All of those guys have shown that they are NBA players, and Wiggins/Lavine/Towns have shown that they have all-star potential. Next year I expect Wiggins and Lavine to take another step, and with Towns already in tow, I don’t think they are going to want to continue the rebuilding process. They need to focus on developing the players they have under a NEW head coach who actually knows that they’re doing. 

    If they don’t win out, and keep their pick, I would honestly try to trade it for a starting 4. Something like Pick #6-11 and possibly Shabazz for Farried would be a nice deal. Getting a good defensive 4 who can run the floor and rebound would be awesome for the wolves. 

    I think drafting and stashing Bender would be a good move too, but it all depends on who is available. If they think Dunn/Murrey are can’t miss prospects than I agree that they should keep the pick, and then develope them while Rubios contract plays out. 

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  • #1033743
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    KAT & Wiggins look like they will compliment each other very well in the future. The team has done a nice job bringing in KG and Prince as some Veteran presence on the team this year. The Wolves need to fight as hard as possibille every game to win it. There is a chance they can make the playoffs or at least get close. I say go for it. That is going to help develop KAT and Wiggins as well as the other young guys. Similar to the Celtics it will increase the value of some guys you may want to trade if they don’t see them as part of the future.

    They can survive the loss of losing the pick. They won’t be able to sign marquee free agents but they could prbly sign a guy or two that could seriously help the team. Sort or glue guys or role player that fits a certain need they want to fill.

    If the team ends of not doing well and is near the bottom hence getting a top draft pick they should seriously consider trading the pick for a veteran that could fill an immediate need. KAT is already showing amazing skill. He can be a top player in the leauge as soon as next year. If they get the right player they could be competing against the best teams in the leauge next year in the playoffs. They need to play against those top teams in a series so they can see what needs to be worked on or what positions need to be improved upon or traded out.

    Both options can still find a way to win. I think teams need to try to win unless they are one of the bottom 2 teams in the leauge then you just punt games becuase you suck already.

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  • #1033877
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    KAT & Wiggins look like they will compliment each other very well in the future. The team has done a nice job bringing in KG and Prince as some Veteran presence on the team this year. The Wolves need to fight as hard as possibille every game to win it. There is a chance they can make the playoffs or at least get close. I say go for it. That is going to help develop KAT and Wiggins as well as the other young guys. Similar to the Celtics it will increase the value of some guys you may want to trade if they don’t see them as part of the future.

    They can survive the loss of losing the pick. They won’t be able to sign marquee free agents but they could prbly sign a guy or two that could seriously help the team. Sort or glue guys or role player that fits a certain need they want to fill.

    If the team ends of not doing well and is near the bottom hence getting a top draft pick they should seriously consider trading the pick for a veteran that could fill an immediate need. KAT is already showing amazing skill. He can be a top player in the leauge as soon as next year. If they get the right player they could be competing against the best teams in the leauge next year in the playoffs. They need to play against those top teams in a series so they can see what needs to be worked on or what positions need to be improved upon or traded out.

    Both options can still find a way to win. I think teams need to try to win unless they are one of the bottom 2 teams in the leauge then you just punt games becuase you suck already.

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  • #1033751
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    im all for young talent but you can only sign so many to long term deals, let’s say for arguments sake the get Simmons, can you afford to offer big deals to Wiggins, Towns, LaVine and Simmons 2-3 years from now, if not who do you let go? I would love another young player with extreme potential but their is a salary cap. 

    I agree with most of the opinions we need a veteran PF, Whiteside is a free agent this year and Korver is in 2017, not saying the wolves have a chance but those are 2 pieces that would fit perfectly. Right now it looks like we will end up with a top pick which isn’t terrible.

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      Which was what happened to OKC they didn’t have enough room to pay HArden so they traded him.

      It is pretty clear that Wiggins and KAT will want Max contracts upon the end of of there rookie contracts. So 3 and 4 years from now they have to make sure they have enough money for those contracts. That is plenty of time to figure it out. I doubt Lavine becomes a max contract guy. They should have room to sign everyone on the roster.

      If they land a top pick I say keep him and try to convince them to all take a small pay cut. Then they could sign them all.

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      Which was what happened to OKC they didn’t have enough room to pay HArden so they traded him.

      It is pretty clear that Wiggins and KAT will want Max contracts upon the end of of there rookie contracts. So 3 and 4 years from now they have to make sure they have enough money for those contracts. That is plenty of time to figure it out. I doubt Lavine becomes a max contract guy. They should have room to sign everyone on the roster.

      If they land a top pick I say keep him and try to convince them to all take a small pay cut. Then they could sign them all.

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  • #1033885
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    im all for young talent but you can only sign so many to long term deals, let’s say for arguments sake the get Simmons, can you afford to offer big deals to Wiggins, Towns, LaVine and Simmons 2-3 years from now, if not who do you let go? I would love another young player with extreme potential but their is a salary cap. 

    I agree with most of the opinions we need a veteran PF, Whiteside is a free agent this year and Korver is in 2017, not saying the wolves have a chance but those are 2 pieces that would fit perfectly. Right now it looks like we will end up with a top pick which isn’t terrible.

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  • #1033843
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     Option B is the logical and realistic choice here. As much as I love my Wolves, I know they’re not making playoffs. So why risk losing out on a draft pick that could be that last piece of the puzzle for the team actually making a run at a championship? 

    I would love to see them draft Rabb, Bender, or Skal since it does address a big need for us. But I’m really liking how Dunn has been playing and what he brings to the table (good size/length, athletic PG, defensive potiental, and a good all around game). That fits the mold that the Wolves are trying to build.

    PG: Dunn 

    SG: LaVine 

    SF: Wiggins 

    PF: KG/Payne/ Dieng ??? 

    C: Towns 

    If Dunn is still on the board when the Wolves are on the clock I think he’d be a great pick up! That then making Rubio an asset to a trade that could possibly bring in a better PF. 

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  • #1033977
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     Option B is the logical and realistic choice here. As much as I love my Wolves, I know they’re not making playoffs. So why risk losing out on a draft pick that could be that last piece of the puzzle for the team actually making a run at a championship? 

    I would love to see them draft Rabb, Bender, or Skal since it does address a big need for us. But I’m really liking how Dunn has been playing and what he brings to the table (good size/length, athletic PG, defensive potiental, and a good all around game). That fits the mold that the Wolves are trying to build.

    PG: Dunn 

    SG: LaVine 

    SF: Wiggins 

    PF: KG/Payne/ Dieng ??? 

    C: Towns 

    If Dunn is still on the board when the Wolves are on the clock I think he’d be a great pick up! That then making Rubio an asset to a trade that could possibly bring in a better PF. 

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  • #1033987
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    How does Payne look?   I thought he would be an instant glue/rotation player in the league. Why isn’t he getting minutes, whose keep him on the bench? 

    Has every Twolves fan falling in love with LaVine?

    What type of player do you pair with KAT? A stretch 4, a 7 footer? basically looking for what’s the best fit for KAT and the team.

    Finally Andrew Wiggins, is he a 2 or a 3 and do you think it even matters? I think his length and athleticism offers him the best chance to succeed at the 2 spot. His jumpshot seems to be improving and he looks most comfortable driving to the basket and in quick post up situations. 2 things that are easier when he’s defended by 2s and not 3s. I understand the match up game and having your best defender guard Wiggins but where is Shabazz taking advantage of a 2 guard in the post when the other teams 3 is defending Wiggins. It works both ways.

    I know we all love playing GM for NBA teams. So what are your answers to my specific questions and in general how do you proceed with the Twolves? They have a lot to work with and assuming someone makes the right moves and decisions over the next 3 years, they should be in the top 4 in the west. 

     

     

     

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    How does Payne look?   I thought he would be an instant glue/rotation player in the league. Why isn’t he getting minutes, whose keep him on the bench? 

    Has every Twolves fan falling in love with LaVine?

    What type of player do you pair with KAT? A stretch 4, a 7 footer? basically looking for what’s the best fit for KAT and the team.

    Finally Andrew Wiggins, is he a 2 or a 3 and do you think it even matters? I think his length and athleticism offers him the best chance to succeed at the 2 spot. His jumpshot seems to be improving and he looks most comfortable driving to the basket and in quick post up situations. 2 things that are easier when he’s defended by 2s and not 3s. I understand the match up game and having your best defender guard Wiggins but where is Shabazz taking advantage of a 2 guard in the post when the other teams 3 is defending Wiggins. It works both ways.

    I know we all love playing GM for NBA teams. So what are your answers to my specific questions and in general how do you proceed with the Twolves? They have a lot to work with and assuming someone makes the right moves and decisions over the next 3 years, they should be in the top 4 in the west. 

     

     

     

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  • #1034058
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    TravelinTrav
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    payne is playing decent, he hustles has a great hops, his release is slow. Still young has potential to be a role player, I don’t see him being a standout  or a big name player. 

    Yes I am in love with LaVine in 2-3 years I hope he still had a wolves jersey on. He seems the most likely out of the  core 3 to sign with another team. ( just a hunch) 

    NeXt year KAT will be the best player on the Wolves (might already be) and the best Center in the league, at least the best all around center.

    Wiggins it doesn’t matter 2 or 3, he still plays the same style. If his 3 point shot gets better he would be a McGrady type of player. 

    Shabazz is a unique player most effective in the low block, which is tough to call plays just for a low post for a 2 gaurd. But he’s always on the O-Boards getting easy buckets

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    payne is playing decent, he hustles has a great hops, his release is slow. Still young has potential to be a role player, I don’t see him being a standout  or a big name player. 

    Yes I am in love with LaVine in 2-3 years I hope he still had a wolves jersey on. He seems the most likely out of the  core 3 to sign with another team. ( just a hunch) 

    NeXt year KAT will be the best player on the Wolves (might already be) and the best Center in the league, at least the best all around center.

    Wiggins it doesn’t matter 2 or 3, he still plays the same style. If his 3 point shot gets better he would be a McGrady type of player. 

    Shabazz is a unique player most effective in the low block, which is tough to call plays just for a low post for a 2 gaurd. But he’s always on the O-Boards getting easy buckets

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