Turner over Wall (in the words of Ochocinco)...CHILE PLEASE!!!!!
John Wall is the #1 pick for Wizards…….POINT BLANK PERIOD!! Turner is not in the discussion......for a plethora of reasons listed below.
1. The NBA game favors Wall’s game more than the college. Wall is very quick off the dribble, and a blur in transition. With NBA rules that pretty much don’t allow you to put a finger on point guards….WALL is going to flourish. (Why do you think the top 4 rookies this year were all guards. Evans, Curry, Jennings, and Collison. Speaking of Collision…..he proves the point even more that the NBA game caters to quick points more than the college game. Noone predicted Collison would have the success he did last season, and be 4th in the Rookie of the Year voting. Be “miraculously” was able to fill in for CP3 when he got hurt. Hmmmm….I wonder why? (NBA Game caters to quick points…DUHHHH)
2. Wall will be a better NBA player than Evan Turner….and if you disagree….you don’t know crap about NBA basketball. Turner averaged 20pts 9 reb 5assist in COLLEGE!! (KEY WORD in that last sentence is COLLEGE, just in case the bold font didn’t give you a hint) Many players were dominant in college and it doesn’t translate into the pro game. Hell, Michael Beasley averaged 26pts-12reb, but we see how well that translated to the league. More than a few examples come to mind of other great college players that are NOT SO GREAT NBA PLAYERS….Adam Morisson, Juan Dixon, Tyler Hanbourough, JJ Redick & 90% of all Duke players drafted in the lottery, and Emeka Okafor …..just to name a few. Not to say Tuner will suck like those guys, but u get the point. That “proven commodity” argument is completely retarded. I bet those are the same people who thought Dwight Howard being picked over Emeka Okafor was a bad move.
3. In addition Turner won’t have “as much success” in the NBA because he’ll be playing against better competition and with better players too. Turner was the only NBA prospect on his team last year(unless u want to make a case for William Buford) so that certainly queues his stats a bit. (U think Wall only average 16 a game with a team where he’s the only NBA prospect and not Kentucky with 4 other prospects and 2 other potential lottery picks.) Plus….don’t people make the claim Turner is more mature, better decision maker, and more NBA ready than Wall? So why did Turner average MORE turnovers than Wall last season? Riddle me that.
4. Wall’s ceiling in the NBA is exponentially higher than Turner due to his position, athleticism, and being younger. At 6’3/Close to 6’4 Wall will be taller than most points guards, which will be an advantage. In addition his arms are longer (helps on the defensive end) and he is just as quick as most points in the league. (I already mentioned how the NBA rules cater to quick points) We all know Wall can jump out the gym, (which I can’t say for Turner) and that athleticism will help in the NBA. Turner doesn’t have these same advantages against other 2s or 3s in the league. Plus Wall being 2 years younger than Turner is an advantage in rating them as prospects. If Turner was as good as Wall, he would have come out 2 years ago with the rest of his 2007 class. Instead he had to wait his turn, and still isn’t better than Wall outright.
5. Wall has the potential to be the best PG in the league and Turner will be a poor man’s Brandon Roy or worse (Turner had comparable stats to Roy in college with 20 9 5 vs Roy's 20 5 4, but there are differences. The only reason Tuner averaged more rebounds was because all the Buckeye inside players sucked, in addition to William Buford and Jon Diebler taking and missing a million outside shots. I'm surprised Turner didn't average a double double with those brick layers.Roy is a better ball handler and is quicker, and a better decision maker. Hell Roy never averaged 4.4 tunovers a game like Turner did last year. Plus Roy’s intangibles allow Roy to get that little bit of separation in order to get his shot off. Looking at Turner last season….. I just don’t see him getting his shot off as easily. Turner averaging so many tunovers despite being a junior/seasoned college player and not being a high tempo transition player like Wall, is quite questionable to me. That argument that he can play the point in the league and be effective is dubious. )
6. Plus all those people who say Wall can't play with Gilbert, obviously don't know what you're talking about. Gilbert is not a point guard. He is a shoot first guard and can definitely play off the ball. Wall will create for him and the rest of those young players like Blatche and Jevale McGee. (You see what Chris Paul did for Tyson Chandler's career)
7. So if I’m the Wizards… the choice is simple. Hopefully they don’t blow it.
I thought it was Child Please?
The Wizards need to pick John Wall. If they don't, then they are screwing themselves.
Yes SHERLOCK.....I'm well aware the proper spelling is "Child" and not "Chile". I was just making a joke, because if you've ever heard Ocho say that much adored citation.....then you know phonetically it sounds like he's saying "Chile" instead of "Child'. Hopefully that answers your question Captain.
I hope that Evan Turner turns out the be the next Kobe and just takes an itt all over your face for this post. U blasted Turner so hard yet all he does is produce, especially in the clutch. Keep hating please
I highly doubt Evan Turner will ever be close to Kobe in his entire career.
Me either but I PRAY he is.
CareyG2 Dude.....I have to give u a point..for making a great point...asking who is better Wall or Turner ? Is like asking who is better Wade or Brandon Roy? Turner will be an Allstar but Wall will be a Hall of Famer..
Apb540.....I'm not hating on Turner, and actually I really loathe the term "hating", that people routinely throw around to describe anyone with a decisive opposing argument. I won't lie, I actually truly respect Turner for his achievements. He's a kid that wasn't an McDonald's All American, wasn't a top 50 player in many recruting circles, and only averaged 10 pts as a freshman, and didnt come in and set the college basketball world on fire intially. Despite this fact, he worked hard, improved his game, and cultivated his skills to become a dominant college basketball player.
The issue I have is when people try to make an argument that Turner is someone who deserves to be picked #1 over Wall (who is obiously a better prospect) simply because people are enamored with his college accomplishments. People ignore the player with the better athleticism, better upside, and is better suited for success in the NBA. It's the same reason people thought Michael Beasley was better than Rose. It's the same reason people thought picking Emeka Okafor over Dwight Howard was a good idea. It's the same reason Adam Morrison was the 3rd player selected in his draft. History continues to repeat itself, and it baffles me that people ignore the trend.
broke his back and came back to dominate...The year before that he was good too...He just went nuts when he saw his NBA Career in flux...he turnered it up during the college season and was the best baskest player not in the NBA...Wall has the Upside...ET has it right now...That's a man your talking about....
I also think you have to consider where will Turner fit. Wall has a position right now. Turner will have to fit in. I think they are 1a 1b but Wall is just the better pick. I doubt Washington will regret this.
The only person i feel you even give a shot a number one over Wall would have been Cousins because to me he can be a Shaquille O'neal type in the post but considering the rumors about him, Washington would never take that chance and they have a front court.
Wall is the obvious choice for me also. i think, not only can he be a top level point guard, but I think he could be the type of player that could lead a team to the title. He has the it factor, big time.
Any GM in his right mind would take Wall over Turner. However, Turner might have a better rookie season than Wall because he plays wing, which is usually the position where scorers are more prolific and, being drafted by the Sixers, he might possibly their first or second option right away. Wall, while exceptionally gifted, relies a lot on his athleticism to score and in a league where defenders are stronger and more athletic, he might be slowed down. PLus, he will be playing probably alongside Arenas, which might help him if Arenas is going to teach him, but don't expect Wall to be the first option on the Wizards. On the long term, Wall will be better as he gets stronger and develops a better shot.
Everyone knows that NBA teams draft based on potential. There is no way you pass up on a guy that's been called a mix of Derrick Rose/Russell Westbrook/Jason Kidd.
That's all that needs to be said, but I do see Turner being a very good player. You really have to work hard to come up with reasons on why this guy will not be a good pro.
BTW, don't knock Duke. Duke players just don't have anymore potential usually, because they've been so well coached.