Turkoglu for Nocioni
I think the deal makes sense for both teams.
For Toronto, they get to send a disgruntled Turkoglu packing and save 30.5 million in the process (assuming they decline Nocioni's player option).
For Sacramento, you pick up a player who can create for others, run the pick-and-roll, spread the court, and put up solid numbers. I know he had an atrocious season in Toronto, but it was clearly a bad fit for him. I think we could definitely see his numbers return to the level they were at in Orlando. Turkoglu is in decline and expensive, but he is also probably better than anything the Kings could pick up in free-agency. Plus, by getting rid of Nocioni they will still have enough cap room to go sign a max free-agent, if anybody wants to go to Sacramento.
BTW, the salaries don't have to match because the Kings have cap room. Look at the Marcus Camby deal a couple of summers ago. The nuggets dealt him to the clippers for a second round pick.
i actually dont mind that trade. Hedo would do better with the kings cause he could be there point forward when tyreke is play pg, cause he isnt a true pg. That's what went wrong in Toronto, the raptors had 2 true pgs who created for others which took away Hedo's skills of creating and being a point forward. Also, Nocioni would bring toughness and yet again another international prospect to the Raptors..
The salaries actually do work out, but i think the kings should throw in a second round pick or something with Nocioni..
it sounds like the kings want him back.
I like the idea. Turk fits the Kings style because he can operate like a PG can, which alleviates the lack of a true playmaking PG on the roster a little.
As a Raptors fan, I like the trade.
I hate Turk and Nocioni could bring a good player to us, id like a draft pick or something with it though, maybe a 2nd rounder.
no way this trade is acceptable. sacremento has a good young core. I don't want it being poisoned with a player like turk. 1st off turk needs the ball in his hands to be effective and that's not happening because tyreke should be given control of the offense. second off SF is the most overcrowded position for sac town. they have great talent in DG and Casspi. 3rd off Turk has a more expensive contract then Nocioni and I don't think it is worth the cost. 4th off, he is old and on the way out, that is not a good fit for a rebuilding team.
Isn't Turkoglu's contract horrendous? If you have a young rebuilding team like the Kings, why would you do this trade in terms of salary implications? I mean, basketball-wise, it seems like a good fit...but Turkoglu is over 30 and has 4 more years (?) left on his deal, which means he'd be eating up cap space for a while.
And R-Dot-13, I understand that Turkoglu is a better talent than Nocioni...but Turkoglu's contract is prohibitive. If the Kings took on his bad contract, I doubt that they'd be willing to give up anything other than an expiring, especially since Turkoglu has publicly stated that he wants out, meaning that the Raptors will have to settle for less.
His contract is kinda bad (I called Turk overrated all last off-season because of his deal), but it looks worse than it is because of how bad a fit he was for Toronto. If he produces at around the level he did in Orlando, that contract isn't as bad as it looks now.
Does anyone feel its not a surprise that this trade that actually makes sense wasnt created by scarecrow and one of his hourlong math crunching sessions where he eats tootsie rolls and grows acne evrywhere?
C'mon bdoody. There's no reason to say bad things about scarecrow; while I agree that his trade scenarios are a bit...outlandish, wild, and in no way plausible, he obviously is interested in basketball or he wouldn't bother crunching those numbers. Let's just talk basketball.
At Mr. 7000, I must admit that I am a fan of what Turkoglu can bring...point skills, and a three point shot. But I just can't see Sacramento doing the deal because they look like they're going young ala the Blazers or the Thunder. And Turkoglu is a good fit, but then he'd impede the development of young talent, like Casspi, and he'd be there for another 4 years.
To severin, I agree on the point of his contract; I disagree with your point about Evans, however. Evans, I feel, is better suited off the ball...if he does play on the ball, I don't think the team can get much better than it is already. He's ball dominant and doesn't create for others, so I don't know how good he is as a point. He attacks the rim every possession and looks to pass second; I feel like he's a younger version of Corey Maggette who has the potential to play good defense.
Scarecrow knows im joking and not serious. hes good guy and we know he cares forthe game. if i didnt think was good guy i wouldnt even bother typing about hm.
About Tyreke Evans: Does anyone agree with my comparison? I might get negatives for this, but I see him as a younger, healthier, better-handling Corey Maggette with the potential to be a good defender: I don't think he should be a primary option, nor do I think he should be their PG of the future. He's a good player, to be sure, but he is a black hole on offense...his stats primarily came from him being the number one option on his team, with everyone else deferring to him.
Evans has been fortunate (maybe the wrong word) to play for teams that don't have many (or sometimes any) legit scoring options, so he has been able to pad his stats somewhat.
In HS Evans, like most NBA players, were so dominant that they could pound the ball and keep teams in games because of their talent level. At Memphis, they didn't have any true scorers so they had to let him dominate the ball to be their best. At Sacto, they also didn't have any true options. Especially when Kevin Martin was hurt/got traded away. He was allowed to dominate the ball again.
He needs a big man that can score the ball more than anything I think. Turkoglu wouldn't be a bad fit though, I don't think. Provides alot of things the Kings are missing.
assuming they decline nocioni's player option???? do u have any clue as to wtf your talking about? the PLAYER chooses if he accepts or declines a player option... no way will the raptors take on 2 years of nocioni's player option while giving away turkoglu... george bush will be reelected president before this happens...
Kings should make them take Garcia or Udrih back in the deal as well, Raps can add Marcus Banks or Reggie Evans.
Turkoglu is a 3 pt shooter he can still ball a nice point forward.
Tyreke can't have the ball in his hands all the time not the way he shoots.
Casspi won't be anything special, Greene has a lot of potential but coming off the bench is an option too.
How many teams are willing to take on Nocioni's contract and he's over 30 as well.
I think definately gets moved this offseason depends on what team is willing to take on the contract.
Teams need to stop this attitude that one guy NEEDS to have the ball in his hands, running the sets, controlling everything, initiating everything, everytime down the floor on offense. Teams just cant function like that. Good teams cant function like that. Look at Boston...they can run their offense through 4 guys. The Lakers can run their offense through 2 guys with the rest being all very good at playing off of those guys. The Cavs...ran their offense through 1guy, the Heat Run their offense entirely through one guy. Teams cant win like that.
So...People need to stop thinking that because Tyreke Evans is there, that they cant go get a guy who can create for himself. Tyreke Evans should not have the ball run through him every single possession of an NBA game...its kinda predicatable (that may be the reason behind the Cavs demise).
In terms of going and getting Turkoglu...I think it would be solid, but the biggest need for the Kings is a big man who can get buckets on the block. They seem like a jump shooting team, and they need a guy who they can throw the ball to inside and let him go to work.
Turkoglu's contract is an albatross if his production remained the same in sactown as it was in Tor. I think his numbers go up though, making his contract a bit easier to swallow. If he can duplicate what he brought to orlando then its kind of a steal.
For those of you hating on Turkoglu's age... since when did he ever rely on his athleticism to begin with? Turks game is all about deception, fundamentals and misdirection. He has never been one to explode over guys or blow by them. Turkoglu will be very similar at 35 to the player he is at 31. If he actually learns to start getting himself into top notch shape like Fisher does then he may actually improve. So far Turk gets by on natural talent alone.
As a Kings fan, I'm cool with it so long as it is just Nocioni for Hedo. We don't need to throw in anything else - getting rid of that bad fit and fat contract should be plenty motivation for Toronto to make that deal without any extra grease required.
I think his game would fit well with Tyreke's, and Nocioni could certainly use a change of scenery as well - although I wonder if the Udrih rebound of last year won't make the Kings management tell Nocioni to earn his money and play well enough to attract a trade if this deal doesn't work out & all they are getting are fire-sale type offers for him.
ZERO chance the Kings do Hedo for Noc straight up.
If we are taking on that contract we better be getting that #13 pick.
13, Hedo for 33, Noc
Might not seem fair but I don't see any other scenario where we take on that contract.
BTW, 'Reke shot 46% in his rookie year being the primary scorer. If scoring 20 Points on 46% FG is padding his stats than KOBE must really be padding his stats-- he's shooting less % and scoring 27 ppg..