The Truth about the Sixers...
The 76ers have gotten alot of positive talk lately, their impressive beatdown of Chicago last week has inspired much talk about if they are the 3rd best team in the east, or even have a shot at Chicago or Miami. People has criticized TV personalities such as Charles Barkley or I believe John Barry for saying their is no doubt we are headed for a Chicago vs. Miami ECF. But I think people are way too quick to anoint this Philly team. This is essencially the EXACT same team Miami blew of the floor in 5 last year. Iguodala's production continues to DECREASE. And it is just a case of a team getting hot for acouple weeks and getting overrated again. This is just like when Houston went on that 20 game winning streak a few years back, or when Utah jumped from the 8 seed to the 4 seed in a week acouple years ago. And everyone on TV says "That team is scary" or something like that, and overanalyzes a winning streak in the regular season of NBA basketball. The reason people like Barkley "know" we are going to get Heat vs. Bulls in the ECF, is because they know how superior these teams are to the others in the east in terms of talent, and that overreacting to regular season winning streaks is just foolish.
I like this Sixer team. They are not challenging in the East this year though.
The Heat and the Bulls, we all know they are clearly the favorites to match up. But there are teams known as sleeper teams. That people sleep on, and the Pacers along with the Sixers are most def two of the teams in the East that could make a run. I don't think people are annointing them, I think that people just clearly see certain teams have a chance. And sometimes all you need is a 'chance'. Hell last season Miami controlled most of the NBA finals, but they still lost. The Clippers and OKC look like the hot hands this year to win the western conference, yet I still say Denver and Portland are potential winners too.
Anything can happen, especially in a shortened season. Favorites are favorites because they are a cut above the rest. But that doesn't mean teams like the Sixers don't have a factor that could throw everyone's prediction off.
Maybe I'm a bit biased being a Sixers fan, but I think all the attention has been well deserved. What do good teams do to bad teams? They blow them out and that's exactly what the 76ers have done. I think the Heat are on a totally different level than any other Eastern Conference team. Sorry Bulls fans, but we have a better chance of beating you than you do of beating the Heat.
As far as this team being the same as last years team, all of our young guys (Thad, Lou, Jrue, ET) are a year older and better, Hawes is playing at a much higher level, and we have two good rookie big men off the bench in Vuc and Lavoy Allen. Plus I don't see why you say Iggy's production is decreasing when this is arguably his best year yet. He is getting his off turnovers (often created by him) and is only taking long jumpers when needed. Numbers don't mean everything my friend. No stat for being the best perimeter defender in the L.
Also, we didn't get "blown off the floor" by Miami last year. Boston got blown off the floor by Miami; we fought them hard every game except game 2.
The Sixers don't have a better chance of beating the Bulls than the Bulls have beating the Heat. EVERY Bulls/Heat game is super close. Last year, this year, playoffs, etc. The Sixers are hot right now. This is still the same team that was .500 last year for the most part. You are severely underlooking the Bulls probably based on one game last week.
The Sixers aren't ready to take on the Heat, Bulls or even the Celtics (who have won eight of their last nine) in a seven game series right now. The playoffs are a whole other beast and you rarely see a 'sleeper' team without much playoff experience get far in the post season. One game, anything can happen, but over seven games, the best team almost always wins out.
And to add to that Dan, all those teams Kayjay listed, Pacers, Sixers, Nuggets, Blazers, those teams all made the playoffs last year and supposedly had sleeper potential (especially the 2 west teams) and none of them went anywhere because the playoffs are about stars stepping up more than anything else.
Yuppp all my assesment of the Bulls is based of that Sixers game last week. cmon now. I just personally don't think the Bulls (or any EC team) will beat the Heat in a 7 game series. Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to see it happen cuz Rose is awesome and I hate the Heat. I just don't see it happening if LeBron Wade and Bosh are all healthy.
As far as the Sixers not being ready to take on people in the playoffs, I'd say they are ready to ride against anyone in the East. They have a lot of young guys who shine in the playoffs: Thad hit a game winner in '07 I believe and Jrue and ET both raised to a whole new level last year during their first ever NBA playoff series against one of the craziest teams of all time. I think Vegas would probably favor us against Boston if we had a higher seed and home court btw.
If they play the Celtics in the playoffs. No disrespect but they are not ready for that.
Explain what part of an old Garnet and Pierce we aren't ready for? Is Jermaine O'Neal gonna beat us? I'll take the Rondo-Jrue matchup but not the Allen-Meeks one lol. And who is going to matchup against ET, Lou, and Thad?
I'm not saying the Celtics are a pushover by any means, but I'm not going to sit here and fear them because of their pedigree.
The Sixers have played 15 of their 24 games at home where they are 12-3, but just 5-4 on the road. The Bulls have played 10 of their league-high 26 games at home where they are 9-1, 11-5 on the road, and have only had their starting five on the court for five of those 26 games while still having the 2nd best record in the league.
The Sixers record will even out as the season goes on. I like them, and Collins is such a great coach. They just can't beat the Heat or the Bulls in a seven game series, especially without a superstar to rely on. The NBA is the most predictable of all sports mainly because of the ability for one player to completely take over a game.
people make it sound like Philly is healthy or something.. Hawes was out forever.. Our 1st rd pick Nikola was out a few gms.. Brand is out tonight, and didnt play vs Atl.. I agree with APB, i think we have a better shot at beating the bulls, than the bulls do at beating the heat, and i dont give a hoot how many home / away gms the sixers have played, they dont make the schedule they just play it... Jrue is phsyical enough to make Rose work for his (rose will get his but not as easy as the norm).. Iggy can lock up Deng.. Rip is nice but no longer feared. Noah was outplayed by Thad the other night, and will have his handsful with the super sub. Boozer is just like Brand at this point, or close enough. Sixers matchup well with Chicago and in my opinion they are much deeper as well... Maybe im right, maybe im wrong, but were 1-0 over chi-town for now until proven otherwise chitown dont scare me.
I'm not sure why this thread was even created because even Sixer fans know this team still has a lot of developing to do.
But you guys aren't looking at the overall picture, like how the Sixers had one of the worse records in the league to start last year and just clicked as they finally learned Collins system. Over the last 66 games last year the Sixers went 38-18. The Sixers have one of the better records in the whole league starting from last year's All Star break and are just proving that wasn't a fluke last year.
Miami did not blow the Sixers off the court every game except the final one was extremely close and could of went either way if we weren't talking about James and Wade and how they get every single call down the stretch it's unreal.
And the Celtics have no shot at sweeping the Sixers let's be realistic. The Celtics could certainly beat the Sixers in a 7 game series but if Miami couldn't sweep the Sixers last year how would the Celtics do it this year?
And Iggy is having the best season of his career so what are you talking about his stats are decreasing? He's actually more efficient then he ever was.
The Heat, Bulls, and Celtics are still IMO the 3 best teams in the East but that doesn't mean things always stay the same and never change cuz they don't.
KB is goin to work. He is takin all his frustrations out on Shaq in this one. Poor Philly
The way Philly is playing right now I can see a good series vs any team in the playoffs this year. I can't see them being swept by anyone due to the fact that they are arguably the best defensive team in the league which is important at the end of games and their offense is above average as well. They didnt get beat easy in 5 by the Heat, it was a tough 5 games in which the sixers could've stole a couple and had a 7 game series quite easily. No matter what the sixers do, they still dont get the respect they deserve imo.
They are a poor man's Pacers: balanced, not a lot of star power, good inside-outside game...
...Just not as good as the Pacers
A lot depends on how their bench plays. A lot of their advantage in the regular season is that awesome bench, but in the playoffs starters play a lot more often.
The Black Mamba went to work in that 4th quarter. He is so clutch.
The Lakers really choked that one away. I don't know why Kobe insisted on taking forced shots when they were dominating inside. The Lakers have choked away a few games this year after being one of the best fourth quater teams in previous years. I think losing Odom is a really big part of their failures. He was so versatile in being able to handle the ball and create mismatches with his length and shooting ability.
Kobe's just trying to inflate Bynum's rebounding numbers. He's a great teammate.
Poor man's Pacers?
If one of the teams is poor man's that should be Pacers not Sixers. Just my opinion
A few big changes from last years team that gives me hope...
1. Spencer Hawes has completely transformed into a legit talent at center
2. Andre Iguodala is playing all-star caliber basketball
3. Evan Turner has shown even more improvement
4. Vucevic is a very solid option at C behind Hawes
5. Allen is bringing in a strong defensive presence of the bench
6. The team as a whole is playing some of the best D I've seen in a while. Offensively, this team plays basketball as one unit. Multiple times does the box score read the leading scorer is a tie amongst 3-4 players.
7. Lou Williams has been given a bigger leash offensively and has taken advantage of it.
8. Another year of experience under Doug Collins.
This is the most team oriented team the NBA has seen in quite some time. Assists, Points, and Rebounds are all drastically dispersed amongst the players. Threats are present across the board on both sides of the ball. If there is any reason we take down the Heat or Bulls in a best of 7, the reasoning will be our unreal level of depth off the bench. Our 2nd unit could be viewed as potentially stronger than our starting lineup.
M DYMES- you bring up alot of great points. But your point #6 is exactly why this team will fold in the playoffs. Even Andre Miller, who is on a team built similar to Philly in terms of being deep and having no star, has said you need stars in the playoffs. Who is this team going to ride in the 4th quarter of the playoff series'? Lou Williams? He's going to outduel the Heat, or D Rose in the playoffs? I just don't buy that.
We will see. If LBJ or Wade/Bosh are lingering during the playoffs, I think our starting lineup can handle 2 of them. They probably win the matchup with the starting lineup, but when the trio needs to step off or becoming singular or a duo, I think our bench is considerably stronger this year. Plus Hawes is playing like the answer inside that we never had before.
The X factor for the Heat, imo, is going to be Norris Cole coming off the bench. If he can put up points and be a distributor for the 2nd unit, then that will limit the +/- of the Sixer's bench. There are times when that kid displays all-star level talent. Hopefully he is not balling like that come the playoffs.
The Sixers have a number of things going for them. First, they defend really well. It basically goes without saying that contenders need to defend. Second, they are the only team in the league where they can spread out opposing defenses because their big men (Brand, Hawes, Vucevic, Allen, and even Battie) can kill them with midrange to long jumpers. That allows for the third thing to really be taken advantage of and that is utilize their wings and guards ability to get into the paint where they all are such good finishers. Fourth, only Miami goes small as well as they do. The lineups with Brand, Hawes, or Vucevic at the 5 and then Young, Iguodala and some pairing of Turner, Williams, Meeks, and Holiday is tough to match up with. I don't think they can beat Miami, but they can give anyone else in the East a run in a seven game series.
I agree wholeheartedly BTPH.
I don't think we can pull it out in a 7 game series with Miami, but I think we are more capable of giving them a run for their money than any team in the East with possible exception to the Bulls.
The Pacers could suprise some people too. They have all the length in the world and a great starting lineup. They could use some depth, but they could play ball with Miami as well.
I think some of you need to read a main point from above...the Bulls have only played 5 of 26 games with their starting 5. AND they have the best record in the east. The Bulls go just as deep as Philly does in many ways. And they actually have a superstar.
I think you need to read...
"I think we are more capable of giving them a run for their money than any team in the East with possible exception to the Bulls."....
Before coming @ me like that.
I think you need to read:
I think Some of you need
Before you think I am talking about you, or that particular comment you made.
My apologies FvckSwag666. I will be the first to admit I do not read as well as I should on here. I just get caught up in the moment with my bias towards my sixers and think everyone n their mother speaks ill on Philly. A product of my environment.
BTW I love ur username if its any compensation
I dig your assessment.
M DYMES- no big deal, I respect your view on this and we'll just have to wait for the postseason to see whose right. And thank you for the compliment.