True or false: Rivers is only a lottery pick b/c of his last name
He hasn't impress me yet. What do you guys think?
I don't think it was because of his last name because you have had some pretty famous player's sons that did not get drafted at all. I think his high school hype and his year at Duke are the reasons he got drafted lottery. Also Monty Williams knew him from when he was young. Austin Rivers is struggling now but I am sure he will get it.
I look at Jeff Teague right now who is looking amazing and he got drafted in the lottery and his first few seasons he did not get much playing time. He also looked bad in some of his early games. Jeff Teague came out as a sophomore so you would think he should have been more ready but it takes time. Holiday also looked bad his first year and I am sure you have noticed that Kemba Walker looks more like his college self dominating and helping a young Cats team win but last year, he looked rough and they lost a lot of games.
Rivers is already showing he is a better passer than when he was in college.
There are tons of stars who had terrible first years and then blew up in their 2nd year. Austin should do the same. I think people's expectations were unrealistic to think he would come in and dominate in the NBA. I thought he would make a great 6th man and he may considering how the rest of the year could go.
It wasn't due to his name, but I said I didn't see anything different in him then you typically do in your yearly draft as far as combo guards go (he plays smaller then he is) and people all said he was different, despite me never being impressed by him. Well he kind of sucks right now, and he's only had one decent game so far.
Honestly I don't think he'll ever do that good as a point guard. It's just not in him. He's just strictly a shooting guard but he's too small for that position. So I doubt he'll ever really flourish in the NBA. But I def could be wrong though.
6'5'' with a 6'7'' winspan and 200 lbs is not too small for a shooting guard.
Lets take a look at shooting or combo guards under 6'6'' and how they are faring this season...
James Harden - 6'5'' 220lbs - 25.2 ppg
O.J. Mayo - 6'4'' 210 lbs - 21.2 ppg
Monta Ellis - 6'3'' 185 lbs
Jamal Crawford - 6'5'' 200 lbs - 18.6 ppg
Dwyane Wade - 6'4'' 220 lbs - 18.1 ppg
Wes Matthews - 6'5'' 220 lbs - 17.5 ppg
Arron Affalo - 6'5'' 210 lbs - 15.3 ppg
To name a few, he's not too small to play SG in the NBA. He is more of a combo guard, in my opinion, but the reason he's playing point isn't because he's too small, it's because thats what N.O. wants to put him.
Don't forget JJ Barea who often plays SG. Heck, AI was 5' 11". It is really silly to say that Rivers is too small for SG. Especially since he is probably going to put on another 10 to 15 pounds in the next couple of years as gets into his mid-twenties. Size is the one thing Rivers has got.
I think it was bc he looks like Drake and his sisters fine-assedness
He's not too small to play shoring guard he's 6'5, New Orleans needs to end this point guard experiment with him.
He should have stayed another year at Duke that's all I know. A second year he would have been a 20 ppg scorer, Duke would be #1 right now, and he would be a starter...Don't know if his draft position would have gone up though.
a year of college or a year of actual NBA game experience. This year's experience will make him better down the road. Every player drafted will not be a 20 point plus scorer. There are not enough shots for that to happen in a game. I think in the next few year he will either be a 12 pt 7 asts guy or a 18 pt 5 asts guy. It depend on what role he accepts. At some point shots will start to fall but I think the game may be too fast for him right now. Every young player get to the point where the game has to slow for them and when it does they find success. Rivers is not a physical or athletic freak so until the games slows down, his stats will not look that great. I think the fact that he just had a 6 asts game and can get into the paint at times will look a lot better when things click.
Austin is playing on a young team and for a coach who will give him every opportunity to succeed. It would be hard for him to not be at least a key bench player with the situation he is in.
His last name being RIvers isn't the only reason, but it is a major reason why he was taken top 10. If you read or heard Monty Williams' interviews after the draft, when he mentioned Rivers he almost always said something about his dad, how Austin is a coach's son, how he has a high IQ because of his dad, that he grew up around pros, learning the pro game, etc. What he said didn't really mean much though because Austin does not play like a coach's son and Doc admits that he didn't try to shape and mold Austin's game. Rather, he let Austin develop his own game. He's not a high IQ player, he actually has pretty poor fundamentals and he has poor instincts for the team game.
I think another reason why he was taken top 10 was because he's well spoken and he knows how to sell himself with his words. He knows how to say all the right things, even if his words don't reflect his game.
I don't see a whole lot from Austin that makes me think he'll live up to his draft position. His physical tools/athleticism aren't that good. His skill level, especially his ability to shoot and finish, is completely overrated. He's not a particularly smart, clever or savvy player and he's not a high intangibles player either. Ball-dominant, "superstar" ball is what he knows and that's how he's played his entire life, so I question his ability to be an effective role player as well.
I'd say give him until year three to judge him because that is usually the cutoff date on whether you know an unpolished player will actually put it together or not.
For those of you who have seen his games and not been just looking at box scores you can see that he trying his hardest to adjust to his new role as setting up the offense. It'll take time, but if you actually watch the games you have seen some flashes of brilliance.
However, some Hornets fans have been pleading him to be more aggressive because it seems like right now Rivers is trying too much to not be a ball hog and not play instinctively.
Regardless, the kid is only 19, I'm sure he'll find his niche in the league.
I think you hit it right on the head. As a Hornets fan and season ticket holder. I would like for him to be more aggressive. At this point he's trying to not make mistakes and be a passer. He's thinking too much. He just needs to play his game and be aggressive. Most of his minutes have come at the 2 for the last 2 weeks. Roberts is the back up point. I think Rivers can be a point because of his superior handle and first step, but my thing for him, is not all point guards are Steve Nash, but some are Stephen Curry or Russell Westbrook. They are both scorers albeit in different ways. I think Rivers game is a mix between the 2. Not all point guards are pure passers and they don't have to be.
And to the question. He wsn't drafted because of his last name. His high school hype and one year in college, kept his college one and done status. He showed better athleticism at the combine, and most people said he was the best ball handler in the draft. Also some people saw his attitude as a knock on him but other people liked his superstar mentality, some players need that mentality.
Go back on this forum 13-14 months ago before he played a college game and virtually everyone was on his c0ck saying he is the next Monta Ellis...
False, Rivers destroyed dudes in HS, like really destroyed guys, went to college and displayed a pretty good game, great first step and lots of potential, Rivers deserves every bit of success he has gotten so far, he's only a rookie, he'll get better.
i think because his name is rivers people try to bag on him, the crazy thing is rivers is showing why he was picked 10 every night, hes getting the shots he wants there just not falling yet i think once the game slows down for him he will be fine, hes showing that great first step, hes getting to lane, is showing the ability to get to the line, and is showing his passing skills, he is a rookie and hes not the only rookie who was drafted in the lottery who is not playing well, brad beal is looking horrible and he was drafted 3rd, but back to rivers i think he will be fine. if you think back a few seasons ago steph curry didnt look so hot until the 2nd half of the season
I think the name helped him get recognition in college and then being a Duke. Commentators would say things like "coach's son" and I would always scratch my head because I didn't see any of that in his game.
Also no one on TV would really say the obvious bad stuff about Austin's game because, I think, they didn't want it getting back to Doc. Doc is coach of the Celtics and he is going to be around the NBA for a very long time in some high level capacity or another. Every journalist is going to need quotes from Doc at some point, so they wouldn't say anything bad about Austin's game. Doc might go into broadcasting again, heck he might be a league commissioner some day. He could also become a GM. How many of the talking heads on TV want to have him catch them pointing out that Austin showed one skill in college, scoring, and he did it on a mediocre and inefficient percentage.
Lets calm down its his rookie year and its not even a quarter of the way thru the season
15.5 ppg as a 18 year old, for a top 10 team and coached by the guy who coaches U.S Olympic Team
6'5'' in shoes 203 lbs 6'7'' wingspan 37.5'' max vert
He produced as a young player at a high level of NCAA play and measured out very well for those questioning his size and athletic ability. That looks like a pretty good resume for a late lottery pick.
He's struggled, but he's adjusting to playing point guard in the NBA. No, I don't think he's going to be a great player, but I think when looking back at his career, he'll be a guy who deserved to be picked where he was.
Look beyond his raw ppg and you'll see just how mediocre his freshman season was. Among all SGs taken in this past draft he was last in PER, last in efficiency per and last in WS per. His TS was mediocre, had a AT of less than 1 and among all the SG's taken in last yr's draft he had the lowest PPP.
He didn't produce at a high level. He just produced.
I'm not saying it was stellar, but when an 18 or 19 year old kid comes in, drops 15.5 ppg, hits game winners and scores 19 points in his first tournament game, that certainly looks like a promising foundation to build on. If he were doing the same thing at 22 then he'd be a 2nd rounder, but his youth and ability to immediately produce at an elite D1 program is something that many promising freshman and many of his fellow elite high school graduating class cannot say.
Ahh, the game winner. I wonder what his stock would've been if he didn't hit that shot vs UNC. The hype from that one shot resonated for the rest of the season and made people forget about the rest of his play.
He could score. We all knew he could score, how he scored and how efficiently he scored were more pertinent questions when evaluating his ability to translate to the pro level. He was not a good shooter and for a slasher who was lauded for his ability to get to the rack, did not finish well either. If he's gonna score in the NBA, how is he going to do that...efficiently? With his mechanics, how good of a shooter do you expect him to be? I mean, he shoots two handed with different release points. With his lack of explosion near the rim and his thin build, how effective of a finisher do you think he'll be? If his scoring doesn't translate, what other aspects of his game can he fall back on? His defense, his floor game...? both of which are very poor currently and areas that he shows really bad instincts.
So true. After he hit the game winner aginst UNC this forum fell in love with him, if that wouldn't have happened I think more people would've sided with us in terms of how average he is as a prospect. I said that all he can do is score, and he's not efficient at it, so what makes him special? People woul say oh he's an elite athlete (BS, he's average at best) and he attacks well. Who cares if he attacks well but can't finish? He's one of the most overrated plyers this forum has ever gotten behind.
he was a GREAT hs player and had an incredible shot against unc last year...besides that he isnt all that great. not an nba player by any means
When he starts hitting his J guys will have more trouble with him. I believe his shot will start falling.
Why? It didn't fall in college. He just took enough shots that his point per game was average. He could probably take 30 shots per game in the NBA and score 20 points per game. But would his team and coach stand for that?
I agree with literally everything Siggy wrote word for word. Rivers fooled me with his words too lol. He talks strong... He'll ace an interview easily. He says all of the right things and carries himself like a veteran.
I mean, Rivers is young... He's a hard worker and will get better. Monty Williams is clearly fond of him. However, I'm just not seeing it. I didn't see it in college and I don't see it now.
I see a kid who's a coach's son, but doesn't play like one at all. His fundamentals are just very weak... His IQ not all that high. His physical tools are average (average athleticism and regardless of what he measured, he doesn't play big). I've seen the high school mixtapes too and his athleticism shown in those isn't translating. He really struggles finishing around the rim and in traffic.
Even Rivers' moves off of the dribble... He leaves me confused. Even though I know he has a quick first step, it's like it's difficult for him to get separation past people. I feel he's not going anywhere. He's not a great shooter. He's definitely not a point guard either and I think NO is dreaming if they think he can develop into a Russell Westbrook type.
I just don't see it... I think a lot has to do with his last name and just high school hype.
The kid has shown the ability to improve already which is the reason why I'm still optimistic. He has shown that he CAN pass and I've seen a couple of sick assists that I had no idea he was capable of. And also he has improved tremendously on defense as well which I thought he would be a liability on when he entered the league.
Once he gets his J down and bulks up a little bit because he can't seem to finish when there's contact I think he could be a really good player. Right now he doesn't have a man's body yet so some of you who are jumping on him (I'm guessing most of you haven't more than 3 of his games in the last month) have to give him time.
Monty said from the start that it is going to take time, but with his work ethic I can only imagine that he will turn himself into a legit NBA player.
Let's be honest, he can keep having a few sick assists all he wants but he is still one of the worst players in the NBA right now. He'll improve (I've always thought he's a career 6th man), but right now he flat-out sucks.
I agree with you that this is the one thing he still has going for him, that his body is not done developing. I'm sure he can put on 10 good pounds, maybe even 20. He will finish a lot better once he gets bigger.
But how do you explain the FT%? That just makes me think there is a basic coordination problem and getting stronger isn't going to fix it.
Although he is struggling he remains a intriguing prospect. He is not strong or quick enough to shake NBA defenders and his shot is inconsistent. He does have confidence, borderline cockiness and have handles, the playground style (not ability of a Kyrie, but oowahhh style) and most importantly a sense of primacy. Primacy is really underrated and being at the point is hurting his innate sense of primacy.
r377 i agree with what u said when rivers was flat out embarassing people in high school everyone was all over his jock now too the point of saying he was a lotto pick beacuse of his name is a smh comment no team is gonna draft a player in the lottery simply based on their name the mention hes too small for a sg really sense when is 6 ft 5 too short for a sg come on man
He is young as hell. I must evaluate different than others. He is a rookie who has shown me plenty. He is going to get stronger every season. Looks ok to me. But hey what do I know?
We all understand he's young, but he hasn't shown anything to most of us, and like I said about Brandon Knight what trait does Rivers has that makes him special? He doesn't have one. I'm not sure what you could possibly have seen from him that shows great promise, because he's been awful so far.
He is not Wade. His ability to get to the rim has been better than Knights. Jump shots improve and guys adjust to the legth they are seeing like Kemba has this year. I see Rivers doing the same. He is playing on a young team that has some growing up to do. I think he will improve as the season goes on. If he could not get pass guys I would panic, but besides his bad shooting % wich is common for rookie guards I like what I see besides the shooting. 6ast 6reb and 2 steals is ok for a rookie guard to me. He will work in other areas if the J is not falling. Not fond of his body language, but I would give him more time.
Kemba is still a far better athlete then Rivers, and has been improving his jump shot each year for like the last four years. Rivers doesn't look any better then he did at Duke. His numbers are literally atrocious. He's third among rookies in mpg, yet he's 13th in points. He's dead last among rookies who qualify in FG% (under 30% are you kidding me?), he's second to last among rookies in 3 point%, and 3.2 apg in 29 mpg isn't good at all.
Then you go look at the advanced stats and see things like: he's 2nd to last among rookies in PER, dead last in EWA (that's a telling stat imo), dead last in TS%, and once again dead last in VA, despite being 13th in usage rate. He has done nothing of value so far for New Orleans.
I stated my opinion on this earlier, but he's only played 11 games. Can we wait for bashing his skills as an NBA player? He hasn't even played a quarter or half of a season yet. Let alone a full year. You have people calling him a bust after 11 GAMES!!! C'MON MAN!
joe wolf1 all those guys have something in common they all can shoot as well as put the ball on the floor
Austin Rivers had his best game as a pro last night. He finally shot it well. He passed it well too.
I hope it continues for him. He played with a lot of confidence last night.