Triple double for Rondo
Someone called him a one trick pony. Man I question your knowledge on ball kid. The best overall PG in the L today. Dominated the heat. Somebody tell me how many games has Rondo dish 11 plus in a row? One of the best all around players in L. So spread your hate is he undervalued or given too much credit for his all around game that is only matched by Lebron?
IF he had even the slightest of a jumpshot, he would be a 20 and 10 guy easily, no question about it. The probelem is that guys sag off of him so much, it's basically impossible for him to drive. If he can make hte midrange shot and be respectable from three that would do wonders for his game. Guys would still play the drive, but they would still have to respect his shot, which means that he can now drive much easier, which means we would see games like these much more often.
i wouldnt trust rondo shooting cookie crumbs into a garbage disposal
I do like Rondo. What bugs me about him is hes not a good free throw shooter. He is a good offensive rebounder and an amazing assist man though. Rondo though does have some great people to pass the ball to though too ( Ray Allen, KG, Paul Pierce)
What I don't understand about the people who talk smack on Rondo is the the guy has single handedly taken over games, and on the greatest of stages for years now.
I don't care if Rondo can't hit a jumpshot; Neither can any center in the league, but I don't hear anyone calling for Dwights head because he's not knocking down 15 footers. Think of it like this. The worst shooter on the floor is usually the center. The Celtics have a really good shooter playing center in KG, so Rondo is just taking up that possition on the floor as the worst shooter. He still has 4 other guys on the court to defer to if needed.
The guy is still the best passing, rebounding, and defensive pg in the league. He's averaging more reboundes then some of the starting centers in this league (I'm talking to you Brook Lopez and soon to be Bargnani), will lead the NBA in assists by years end, and is scoring more then 12 points a game. Honestly what more do you guys want him to do?
Looked at his game logs btw scout4real, and he has had 10+ assists in 19 of his last 21 games played; 4 of which were 15+, and 3 triple doubles
He scores over 15 a game not all of them are layups and people say he can't shoot. I would rather have him over Chris Paul, who to me has been falling off.
the question was asked the other day "do you need a great PG to win a championship" and it was backed up with facts that you dont.
do you need a PG as a great shooter to win a championship?
you guys know I hate using rings as an argument, but in this instance, its suitable. As great as CP3 and D-Will are, they dont have a championship and Rondo does. Although he was overshadowed by the big 3, no Rondo and the Celts dont win that title.
Sometimes we get too infatuated with so-called "franchise" players. You get CP3 and Williams to build around, Rondo you dont. What you must realize however is, sometimes you can be waiting a long time to build around players like that before you win, and likely, before you can, they will have moved on.....and the aforementioned have already done so.
I think this further fuels my argument about who's better....Carmelo or Josh Smith. Smith is likely to win a championship before Carmelo because you have a do-it-all player that can fit in and be the missing piece of the puzzle. Meanwhile...Melo is the first piece of the puzzle....the one that once you may have found the other pieces, you will have been lost by the time they are all collected. Josh Smith is the frontcourt version of Rondo. I would rather have a guy who can fit in and be the final piece, then go after a guy who you have to keep going out and finding new pieces all the time.
@ For Never Ever, I don't think Chris Paul has been falling off, just can't stay healthy like he use to. But i do believe if Rondo had Chris Paul's shooting ability, he would be considered the best point guard in the league. Him and Chris Paul practically are the same. Both great defenders, great leaders and competitors, great bball IQ. I would give the slight edge to Rondo too in terms of his durability. Even though Rondo gets injured, he doesn't miss as many games as Paul.
When I said falling off meant what you explained. He is one of those players that will always be injured, so it has taken a toll on him, he does not get to paint like he once did or even attempts too.
He uses pics all the time now a days. Forget the shooting on Rondo. If you spend all your time complaining on his shot when you speak on him you spend equal time complaining on the weakness of the other PG's too. If your being fair on it.I like the Josh Smith Melo example. I take the best overall player. Rondo is better than them in every area and more consistant to in those other areas. Paul gets steals but be serious he is not a defender on Rondo's level.
one thing about not only rondo (he is an excellent rebounder for his position), the rebounding numbers need to be put into perspective also do the items needed at the pg position. the celtics i believe as of yesterday were dead last in the league in rebounding as a team. so ... we can give credit to rondo, he deserves some ... but it also speaks of the bigs and their rebounding abilities that he grabs so many of them.
next ... when you scout a point guard, his ability to shoot the basketball comes as a much greater priority then say ... when you scout a center. is there anyone who doesn't agree with that? dwight howard doesn't need to be a consistent jump shooter because he's not playing out on the perimeter, he's not being asked to break down defenses off the dribble, you really don't even want him leaving the basket area. dwight's rebounding and his ability to anchor a defense are far more important then his touch from the outside.
also, we all get too caught up in stats to begin with and become prisoners of the moment. rondo gets it done, he is totally instrumental to his teams success, but the rebounds per game are behing kyle lowry and right on par with john wall and russel westbrook. i really can't emphasize enough here how much i don't want to take away from rondo and that he is an excellent player, but he's not the best overall point guard in the league ... that's just crazy to say. chris paul and russel westbrook are both having better seasons ... rose probably would be if he was able to stay healthy and for my money i'd like to see westbrook make 1st team all nba this year because i think he deserves it the way he's played.
I really don't see why your PG needs to be a 20ppg scorer, Rondo is at his best when he's picking his moments to shoot and driving the lane. Yes, he could stand to be a better shooter, but if you look beyond the numbers and watch him play, he takes advantage of the space people give him by having more room to pass and read the floor. The FT thing is the biggest knock on him, but I just don't think your PG should be your leading scorer unless it's on a balanced team where the margin between 1st and 2nd isn't very high - Isiah Thomas' championship winning Detroit Pistons come to mind as an example of a team where the PG was a scorer but didn't outscore his second option by much. Same can be said of Magic Johnson's Laker teams, although he was close to the top in scoring, he always had at least two other guys who were either ahead of him, or close behind him in ppg.
It will be interesting to see what happens to Rondo after the Big 3 window closes, but don't write off the Celtics this year, because Rondo is finally healthy and hitting is stride, and Garnett and Bass have been able to develop chemistry playing together.