[bdoody42Participant]

Okay I see on the site that Trey Thompkins is 8 right now on the mock draft here. I have him in the late lottery but not this early.

I don’t really see him being the 8th pick in these years draft. He is very skilled but he doesnt seem to have great athletic ability. I dont know how he will do at the next level.

Maybe im wrong.  What do you all think?

 

[sammybuckeye13Participant]

I agree 8 is a little high but I don’t think he doesn’t deserve to go that high. At 6-9/250 he has good size, an NBA frame and he is very, very skilled…probably the best pure low post player in college after Sullinger (Derrick Williams is a little more dynamic). I guess the reason I like him is that he’s not a raw specimen who would enter based on what agents are whispering in his ear…he’s played three seasons when he easily could have left last year, or even after his freshman year. I would say he deserves to go anywhere from 9-15.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 I have been trying to figure out the same thing.  DX got him going 18 and I think that is more realistic then 8 but this is a weak draft so he could go higher then usual ala Jordan Hill.  

I only saw him play 3 times and everytime I watched them I was watching for Leslie.  Thompkins got a lot of ability and is a smoothe athlete not as explosive one I just don’t know how he is going to translate.  He is not overly long, nor does he posses great strength.  

But Georgia has been on a roll lately and almost all of it is contributed to Thompkins.  In the end I think he could be a surprise in the league he does have the Oak Hill pedigree.  He sort of reminds me of Jason Thompson.

[bdoody42Participant]

Okay Im glad I wasnt way off base in my thinking. I thought he was like 12-15 range.

 

[JNixonParticipant]

Thompkins will be a good player and he’ll enjoy a long career. I have seen UGA play a bunch in person, and on TV (my parents are alumni) and him and Leslie are good prospects.

Thompkins doesn’t have great athleticism, but he’s extremely smart offensively and he can score facing up or with his back to the basket. He’s also a good passer and his touch is phenomenal. He’s not as good on D as he should be, and he’s a good but not great rebounder, but he has 3rd option potential. His game is eerily similar to David West’s. He’s not as polished as West YET, but I have no doubts he’ll get more polish and because a reliable starter in the NBA. He should get pick anywhere from 8-20.

[sammybuckeye13Participant]

^david west comparison is spot on

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

But if those are guys he reminds scouts of he should go top 5.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Things will be much clearer after the Draft Camps & Workouts…Thats when guys who were playing in structured college settings and the coach demanded they play a certain way..And their talents were held back…Thats why ever year,there are 3or 4 borderline prospects that play well in draft camps in end up getting drafted…Becuz GM’s see a unique quality that they feel can add something special to their roster…

Right now if you ask 15 scouts who they think are the top 10 prospects..None of them will have the same 10 players on their list…You might see 6 or 7 of the same players listed..but not 10…

1 thing people forget sometimes is interviews can also decide where a guy who is considered a mid 1st round pick ,but end up going in the 2nd round….Nick Van Exel & DeAndre Jordan were considered 1st round picks..But they were horrible when they were going thru the interview process of the draft….

[scoutguruParticipant]

Great analysis Iggy. I was thinking that same thing. He won’t wow you, but you know what he brings to the table as a prospect; as oppose to some of these other crapshoots in the draft.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

“Okay I see on the site that Trey Thompkins is 8 right now on the mock draft here. I have him in the late lottery but not this early. I don’t really see him being the 8th pick in these years draft. He is very skilled but he doesnt seem to have great athletic ability. I dont know how he will do at the next level. Maybe im wrong. What do you all think?”

He is a very similar prospect to Jared Sullinger. He is taller than Sullinger (6-10 in shoes with a big wingspan) and has many of the same positive traits in terms of being a polished post scorer, hard working guy who has gotten better each year, and intelligent. He also has a nice little mid-range game and is a willing passer. He got off to a slow start coming off a high ankle sprain, and the team did not try to pad his numbers in the guarantee games, but his production of late (especially yesterday against Kentucky) has been great. He guarded Terrence Jones a bit, and Jones did not do anything until the end of the game when Georgia was just trying to protect a double digit lead. I see absolutely no reason he would not be a guy worth taking in the high-to-mid lottery. To be fair DX had Greg Monroe behind Stanley Robinson, Charles Garcia, Craig Brackins, and Solomon Alabi last year. He assembled quite the D-League team with his rankings last year, though this site did horrible things in their comparisons and projections with Hassan Whiteside. It really comes down to what a person values. What sense is there in anyone regarding Chris Singleton as a better prospect than Thompkins? In Singleton, a team would be hoping to get Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, and even Luc had to work for three years to get a decent mid-range jumper. Marcus Morris is a good player, but I think physically Thompkins is better, and is performing with less to work around. He is a below the rim power forward who because he is 6’10, strong, and possessing a big wingspan will probably see time at center as well. Georgia cannot hit a perimeter shot, and that makes it more difficult for a big guy like Thompkins. I think nobody would doubt Thompkins as a top ten pick if he had Buford, Diebler, and Lighty like Sullinger has or Taylor, Reed, Selby, Morningstar, Robinson, and brother Markieff. I would also have him ahead of Henson because I have seen more growth out of Thomkins as a player. Upside always has to be measured against the likelihood of the player working to achieve it, and the lack of great improvement on the part of Henson is a bit concerning.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

Singleton is also playing for a very slow paced team who virtually has no weapons on offense.  FSU has no perimeter shooters, no great guard play to get Singleton in the right spots to score, and pretty much nobody besides Singleton.

Singleton I do like better as a prospect and this is why.  I think he develops right away as a great defender in the league and he is a way way way better prospect then Luc.  First off he is bigger, stronger, more athletic, and a better shooter then Luc.

 Singleton should measure out to a legit 6’9 at the combine with like a 7’3 wingspan and is already a physical specimen who has an NBA ready body.  Singleton get’s over 8 rebounds, 2 steals, and 2 blocks a game and should be able to come in a guard Small Forwards and Power Forwards right away in the league.  This is a talent that teams need to be able to guard the up and coming hybrid forwards of the league therefore his talents should be in demand because teams are going to know what they are getting.

 Singleton is the type of player that will make a team find minutes for him just like Pat Patterson is doing right now.  And an underrated aspect of Singletons game is his perimeter shooting.  He has taken a lot of 3’s this year and is converting over 40% of them including going 6-12 the other night for a season high 28 points.  Singleton also played the best D on Sullinger then anybody else who has tried to stop Sullinger.

But Thompkins is nowhere near Sullinger’s talent level.  Sullinger is averagin 18 and 10 shooting nearly 60% because of his ability to be able to establish low post position with his lower body, Thompkins doesn’t have that trait nor that strength.  And he is 3 years older and still can’t do what Sullinger does.

[Demarcus OnealParticipant]

What makes Kanter better than Sullinger and Thompkins just wondering?

[JNixonParticipant]

I think Chris Singleton will be similar to James Posey (at best) or Mbah a Moute in the NBA as well.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

Mbah a Moute guarded LeBron, Bosh, and Wade in their game with the Heat last week. He has been an elite defensive player since he entered the league, and his ability on that end as a rookie was why the Bucks were willing to give up on Joe Alexander after one year. No one guy can shut down LeBron completely, but Luc was able to frustrate all three and make them work. Singleton would be lucky to develop into Mbah a Moute because I don’t think he could step out and guard someone like Wade. He also can’t shoot and that sort of make the whole "no great guard play to get Singleton in the right spots to score" irrelevant.

If Singleton is a guy who will get minutes right away like Patrick Patterson, then why is it that it took a Chuck Hayes ankle sprain for Patterson to get recalled from the D-League?

Thompkins  Thompkins is 20 turns 21 in May, Sullinger is 18 turns 19 in March. That isn’t three years.

Sullinger isn’t shooting 60 percent when facing length, and Thompkins gets great position as well and is plenty strong. Check out what he did to Kentucky. Are you also going to say that Thompkins hasn’t face the length of Minnesota when today’s game is over?

[TyrekeJonesParticipant]

I am loving the West comparison, I feel like by seasons end Thompkins will be a lock for the lottery because he is so consistent and it isn’t like his production is going to drop off or change, he has a great repeirtore of moves, decent rebounder, for his size is a really good passer. But like what has already been stated, he is not very athletic but he is able to compensate for it with his High Basketball IQ.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 The only game Sullinger didn’t completely dominant was against Chris Singleton.  And Luc is a great defender but Singleton has way more offensive potential and he also got better potential to be able to get more rebounds, steals, and blocks at the NBA level.  No Singleton can’t guard some of the faster wings but he will be able to guard the stronger post players that Luc can’t guard.  

And neither Luc no James Posey are the physical specimens that Singleton is.  That is important because from a physical standpoint Singleton will be able to bang from day one in the NBA.  I’m not saying He is a lock to become a good player in the NBA I am just saying as prospects at the same age and stage in their career Singleton is clearly better.  He posses a rare blend of having a chiseled long athletic frame yet he is a dirty work type of player who excels on defense so what he brings to the table is a little more rare.  Singleton reminds me of a Josh Smith type player.  He will force turnovers and play great man on man defense.  But Singleton isn’t as raw on offense as people think he is.  Singleton can shoot when his feet are set.  What he can’t do is create offense for himself off the dribble but he can hit open jumpers and even go in the post tho he is very raw in the post he has developing moves.

Okay Thompkins is only 2 years older then Sullinger but he still has 2 more years of experience at the college level then him.  And you can’t be seriously trying to construct an argument about Thompkins being just as good a prospect as Sullinger are you because that is just insane.  Sullinger is putting up more points, rebounds, and is doing it as a much more efficient clip and for the NUMBER 2 Team in the nation.  And Thompkins will never be the rebounder Sullinger is.  Plus his team is winning.  

BTPH isn’t that your big thing about players putting up good numbers are bad teams.  Georgia is not bad but they are not a top 25..YET…And Thompkins don’t have to share the load so he should theoretically be getting more production.  I think Thompkins will be averaging 20 and 8 tho by the end of the year.  I honestly like Jajuan Johnson just as much if not more then Thompkins.

[JNixonParticipant]

"The only game Sullinger didn’t completely dominant was against Chris Singleton. And Luc is a great defender but Singleton has way more offensive potential and he also got better potential to be able to get more rebounds, steals, and blocks at the NBA level. No Singleton can’t guard some of the faster wings but he will be able to guard the stronger post players that Luc can’t guard."

Mbah a Moute defended PF’s a good bit as a rookie for the Bucks. Mbah a Moute is a better defender than Singleton is, especially right now. On the perimeter or the post.

"And neither Luc no James Posey are the physical specimens that Singleton is. That is important because from a physical standpoint Singleton will be able to bang from day one in the NBA. I’m not saying He is a lock to become a good player in the NBA I am just saying as prospects at the same age and stage in their career Singleton is clearly better. He posses a rare blend of having a chiseled long athletic frame yet he is a dirty work type of player who excels on defense so what he brings to the table is a little more rare. Singleton reminds me of a Josh Smith type player. He will force turnovers and play great man on man defense. But Singleton isn’t as raw on offense as people think he is. Singleton can shoot when his feet are set. What he can’t do is create offense for himself off the dribble but he can hit open jumpers and even go in the post tho he is very raw in the post he has developing moves."

James Posey is actually a better specimen than Singleton is. He’s stronger and he has better strength. And he has for quite a while. He’s not "chiseled" at all. I’ve seen Singleton play in person, he’s also from Georgia. He’s pretty thin. Singleton will never be more than a 4th option when he’s on the floor in the NBA. Josh Smith’s game is much less reliant on jumpers and Smith has the ability to pass and play down low much more so than Singleton.

"BTPH isn’t that your big thing about players putting up good numbers are bad teams. Georgia is not bad but they are not a top 25..YET…And Thompkins don’t have to share the load so he should theoretically be getting more production. I think Thompkins will be averaging 20 and 8 tho by the end of the year. I honestly like Jajuan Johnson just as much if not more then Thompkins."

Thompkins has to share the load with Gerald Robinson Jr and Travis Leslie sir. And just because you aren’t a top 25 team doesn’t mean you aren’t a solid team. They are just barely not a top 25 team as is. And you can take JaJuan Johnson over Thompkins. Johnson isn’t a better prospect than Thompkins by any stretch. He’s simply a better shot-blocker, and that’s where it ends.

 

 

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

"BTPH isn’t that your big thing about players putting up good numbers are bad teams. Georgia is not bad but they are not a top 25..YET…And Thompkins don’t have to share the load so he should theoretically be getting more production. I think Thompkins will be averaging 20 and 8 tho by the end of the year. I honestly like Jajuan Johnson just as much if not more then Thompkins."

Am I supposed to hold it against Thompkins that he had a sprained ankle? I don’t quite get what you are trying to get at. I can actually account for how he was not healthy when he was playing in the Thanksgiving tournament.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

@BTPH: Where do you think Sullinger, and Thompkins will be drafted and who do you value more.  I personally think Sullinger is a lock for the top 3 and could go one.  Thompkins will be averaging around 20 n 8 by the end of the year with more minutes…What I really wanna see out of him is to rebound better, get a few more blocks, and most importantly hit more outside shots.  If he can become a reliable 3 point shooter that will do wonders for his stock and his value in the NBA.  He could potentially go anywhere from 7-17.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 And is anybody else here a fan of Jajuan Johnson’s game?  I really like Johnson and think his stock is going to start to soar if Perdue continue to wins and and Johnson continues to shoot well and block shots.  He reminds me of like a bigger version of Hakim Warrick on offense but on defense plays more like a Tyrus Thomas because he’s active and springy.

[JNixonParticipant]

JaJuan Johnson has nowhere near the ability to play as a combo forward like Hakim Warrick. Johnson plays like a 225 lb C. And he’s not nearly as athletic as Thomas.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

“Where do you think Sullinger, and Thompkins will be drafted and who do you value more. I personally think Sullinger is a lock for the top 3 and could go one. Thompkins will be averaging around 20 n 8 by the end of the year with more minutes…What I really wanna see out of him is to rebound better, get a few more blocks, and most importantly hit more outside shots. If he can become a reliable 3 point shooter that will do wonders for his stock and his value in the NBA. He could potentially go anywhere from 7-17.” 

I think Sullinger will go in the top five, and I believe that his spot up there is solid due to the fact I think OSU is far and away the favorites to win it all. Everyone’s stock rises with a winner, and I would not be surprised if come late June end up with three first round picks (Sullinger, Buford, and Lighty) with possibly two more in the second (Diebler and Lauderdale). They could very well be the kings of March, and at that point it is going to be really hard for Cleveland to pass on Sullinger to be the face of their rebuilding. 

Georgia isn’t going to win it all, but that isn’t because of Thompkins. Last year, I believed when Patrick Patterson was regarded as a lottery pick and Trevor Booker was regarded as a second round pick that the separation in the draft grade was primarily due to where they played. I did not, and really still do not, believe there is a ton of difference in them as players. They are undersized power forwards with almost identical scouting reports who play hard on both ends. Now, Booker ended up going in the 20s, but I still don’t think the value difference was that great. I think the same way will be the case with Thompkins and Sullinger. They are very similar players. Thompkins is a bit taller and longer, Sullinger is probably around 10-20 lbs. heavier, but they play similarly. A team would want either guy for all the reasons I mentioned earlier. They aren’t going to be youtube legends, but they are guys a team can win with. I like skilled draft prospects who play intelligently and unselfishly. This isn’t the same as what most people do when they say that because it is usually used in the context of wondering why Jon Scheyer or Luke Harangody aren’t lottery picks, but these are guys with the size, athleticism to be professional players and the head to understand how hard they have to work and how they have to play in order to be a part of a winner. I don’t know if there would be a spot so high that I would be offended by Thompkins being taken there. He isn’t going to be taken ahead of the blueblood prospects, and once they get past those guys I don’t see a lot of guys who are better.

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