share

Trey Burke is the first PG taken

flopdownD
Registered User
Joined: 01/20/2013
Posts: 466
Points: -630
Offline
Trey Burke is the first PG taken

With Smart staying, Trey Burke will really rise up in mocks, could go as high as 2.
I think he could go before Nerlens or McLemore.


strobox88
Registered User
Joined: 04/09/2012
Posts: 391
Points: 513
Offline
I've already had Burke as the

I've already had Burke as the first PG taken on my mock draft since I made it a week ago so I'm not surprised if it happens but can anyone confirm if Smart is staying or not? The article on this site says he hasn't decided yet.

Windy City Assassin
Registered User
Joined: 03/11/2010
Posts: 6349
Points: 5538
Offline
I still say #1 overall if

I still say #1 overall if Orlando gets the pick.

machu46
Registered User
Joined: 06/21/2012
Posts: 909
Points: 1443
Offline
Still way too early in the

Still way too early in the draft process to say with certainty. I think Noel will go #1. It'll be interesting to see Burke and MCW fight for the #1 PG spot (I haven't heard much about him, but is McCollum going to be able to work out for NBA teams or is he still dealing with his injury).

strobox88
Registered User
Joined: 04/09/2012
Posts: 391
Points: 513
Offline
I don't think it's a fight

I don't think it's a fight between Burke and MCW at all if Smart doesn't declare. MCW will be lucky if he gets into the Top 10.

machu46
Registered User
Joined: 06/21/2012
Posts: 909
Points: 1443
Offline
MCW could easily end up being

MCW could easily end up being in the mix for Sacramento at 7 if Burke goes to Orlando (just for example).

I think when they get into workouts, MCW will likely rise up a little bit, and it's already widely known that Sam Presti scouted him a ton this year, so he could be in play there as well.

I can't wait for them to get into the workouts now just to see how it all shakes out. I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if there ends up being a mixed opinion on who the better prospect is between Burke and MCW. Burke was easily the better college player (though MCW may have played better in the conference/NCAA tournaments), but in terms of being an NBA prospect, I don't think the gap is very big at all. Burke is a far better shooter, but MCW projects as a better defender, passer, rebounder, and potentially could be a better slasher if he gets stronger since he obviously has a huge size advantage.

Burke is definitely a safer pick, but MCW has more potential. I don't think it's an easy choice at all to be honest.

And does anyone know if CJ McCollum is healthy enough to workout for teams? I haven't really stayed updated on his injury.

raybeas
raybeas's picture
Registered User
Joined: 08/21/2009
Posts: 603
Points: 1260
Offline
Burke 3x better than MCW

Burke is better at pnr. Much better shooter. MCW hasn't guarded anyone one-on-one. MCW is also 11 months older, so less potential than Burke. Size is MCW's only advantage.

machu46
Registered User
Joined: 06/21/2012
Posts: 909
Points: 1443
Offline
Age =/= potential MCW has far

Age =/= potential

MCW has far more potential as a defender with his combination of instincts, length, and athleticism. As a 6'6" PG with elite passing ability and decent form on his shot (obviously there's a difference between having decent form and being a decent shooter), he probably has more potential offensively as well since Burke is more limited athletically.

Burke is definitely better in the pick and roll game, but he also played in a system that had much better court spacing to make it easy on him. Burke struggles in isolation though, whereas MCW does a good job of beating his man thanks to his long, quick first step.

And while MCW didn't play in a man-to-man defensive system, he showed off great defensive instincts, an ability to read passer's eyes, an ability to pick people's pockets with ease, and when he got put out on a bit of an island with his man, he had a lot of success (example: in the Syracuse-Michigan game, there were quite a few times where it was basically just him and Burke and Burke couldn't even come close to making any sort of penetration). On the flipside, Burke DID play in a man-to-man system and he struggled. While he also did a pretty nice job of picking guard's pockets, he was lazy fighting through screens, seemed to take a lot of plays off, and seemed to give up penetration far too easily.

If we're going to break down who is better at what, I'd say it's something like this:

Burke:
- Better in the pick and roll
- Better spot up shooter
- Better shooter off the dribble
- Better ball-handler
- Better ball security

MCW:
- Better passer
- Better defensive instincts
- Better defender (obviously debatable since we don't know how he'll do in man-to-man, but we already know Burke isn't very good, and MCW looks like he has the tools to be a very good defender)
- Better rebounder
- Better first-step/ability in isolation

machu46
Registered User
Joined: 06/21/2012
Posts: 909
Points: 1443
Offline
One last note on MCW is that

One last note on MCW is that I think he'll surprise some people at the next level with his shooting ability. He isn't a good shooter by any stretch, but he isn't as bad as his numbers look either. He has pretty decent form on his jumpshot, and from the Notre Dame game on (last 18 games of the year), MCW shot 35% from 3 and 45% from the field. Those percentages aren't great, but that aren't that bad at all. He isn't nearly as bad a shooter as guys like Rondo, John Wall, etc. were when they came out of college.

I've said from the beginning that MCW is basically Kendall Marshall with more scoring ability, more athleticism, and more defensive potential, and if you look at Chad Ford's latest mock draft, he essentially says the same thing. I believe he'll be a good starting PG in the NBA within a few seasons.

BigMac12111
Registered User
Joined: 06/19/2012
Posts: 112
Points: 112
Offline
Okay

I agree with most of your breakdown, but I really don't think MCW is the better passer of the two. Or if MCW is the better "passer" then Burke is the better floor general.

orangeshadow83
Registered User
Joined: 02/19/2011
Posts: 183
Points: 409
Offline
You hit the nail on the head

You hit the nail on the head there. MCW has better vision and can make all the highlight passses but he also makes a lot of bad decisions. Burke is defintiely the btter floor general at this time but with the right coaching MCW could be special.

Between these two its all about risk and reward, Burke being the safe pick while MCW has the higher ceiling.

orangeshadow83
Registered User
Joined: 02/19/2011
Posts: 183
Points: 409
Offline
You hit the nail on the head

You hit the nail on the head there. MCW has better vision and can make all the highlight passses but he also makes a lot of bad decisions. Burke is defintiely the btter floor general at this time but with the right coaching MCW could be special.

Between these two its all about risk and reward, Burke being the safe pick while MCW has the higher ceiling.

strobox88
Registered User
Joined: 04/09/2012
Posts: 391
Points: 513
Offline
I think after drafting Tyreke

I think after drafting Tyreke Evans (who was drafted as an oversized PG) and seeing how long it's taking him to develop, Sacramento would be wise to pass on the project that is MCW. They don't develop young players, after all. Cousins is the only exception, but MCW doesn't have his kind of upside and Cousins would be much further along in his development if he was on another team that could better develop him (though his problem seems more mental than skill-wise).

You really think MCW played better than Trey Burke in the tourney???

Not sure about McCollum. I noticed he deleted his Twitter account...

machu46
Registered User
Joined: 06/21/2012
Posts: 909
Points: 1443
Offline
The thing that I think could

The thing that I think could make MCW work in Sacramento is that Sacramento is full of guys that want to score the ball. MCW can be the guy that can get the ball to them in positions where they can score while setting the tone defensively with his hustle.

And yes, I think you can make a case that MCW played better in the tournament than Burke did. In the South Dakota State game, Burke struggled mightily trying to beat Nate Wolters off the dribble (who isn't even an average defender) and had an awful game shooting the ball. Meanwhile MCW filled up the stat sheet in his opener with just 4 points on 2/3 shooter, but 8 rebounds, 9 assists, and 3 steals.

Against VCU, Burke shot the ball alright, going 6/14, but turned it over 7 times. Against Cal, MCW didn't fill up the stat sheet either, putting up 12 points, 3 assists, 2 rebounds, and 1 steal, but he scored efficiently, beat his man off the dribble literally any time he wanted, and did a fantastic job of just making a lot of hustle plays on the defensive end and making it very hard for California to find decent shooting opportunities.

Against Kansas, Burke put up 23 and 10, but again, struggled shooting the ball and got abused on the defensive end. If not for a monumental collapse on Kansas part, people would have been talking about how Burke didn't do enough early in the game (because he basically didn't do anything until that final stretch when he went bonkers). Against Indiana, MCW scored a career high 24 points, including hitting 3/6 3's, as he manhandled Yogi Ferrell and Jordan Hulls any time they tried to defend him, and beat Victor Oladipo off the dribble countless times. Moreover, he once again made a huge contribution on the defensive end. If you go back and watch that game again, there were a bunch of times where Indiana had numbers for the fast break, but MCW put a body on Cody Zeller for a few seconds while help came and then went out and stopped the dribble penetration, stole the ball before they could even get the break going, or just hustling around so that Indiana couldn't get easy shots. He ended up racking up 4 steals, but this doesn't really do his hustle plays justice.

In the games to get to the Final Four, both guys filled up the stat sheet, as Burke put up 15, 8 and 7, but again struggled mightily with his shot. Meanwhile, MCW put up 12, 8, 6 and 5 steals while scoring relatively efficiently.

And then in the Final Four game, both guys absolutely sucked.

At the end of the day, they both played pretty well, but I think that the way that MCW impacted the game on the defensive end with his hustle plays, steals, and just flat out good defense gives him a slight edge over Burke (strictly speaking about the way that they played in the tournament, not over the course of the season obviously, because Burke was far better during the regular season).

machu46
Registered User
Joined: 06/21/2012
Posts: 909
Points: 1443
Offline
Also, in the conference

Also, in the conference tournament and NCAA tournament, MCW shot 42% from 2 and 37.5% from 3. Burke shot 40% from 2 and 34% from 3. Obviously MCW also shot the ball far less, but he was a more efficient scorer during that stretch, and he's already a better defender, rebounder, and passer.

FastAndFurious
FastAndFurious's picture
Registered User
Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 3582
Points: 9046
Online
Lol damn that's crazy how

Lol damn that's crazy how everything is just playing out for Burke! He need to play the lotto while he's at it.

orangeshadow83
Registered User
Joined: 02/19/2011
Posts: 183
Points: 409
Offline
MCW

I wouldn't be so sure Burke goes before MCW. I'm not saying MCW is the better prospect but all it takes is one team to fall in love with him, and there is a lot to like.

He has excellent vision at 6"5' at least. His length will disrupt most guards even in the NBA. He plays two way ball and works hard on his game. He needs a jumpshot and better decision making but those are things that can be coached. His length and vision cannot.

Also Burke is a little more of a score first pg (borderline) so if a team is looking for a pure point MCW might be taken first.

I really believe MCW has a higher ceiling but also a much higher bust risk but if one team falls in love with his potential he could be taken earlier than most think and before burke.

313LOUD
Registered User
Joined: 04/18/2012
Posts: 56
Points: 82
Offline
I keep seeing MCW is a better

I keep seeing MCW is a better passer, defender and rebounder. MCW did not do for ANY of Syracuses bigs what Burke did for McGary. Don't just look at stats to see who is better. Even those are deceiving. I can't say MCW rebounds the ball better then Burke. Burke was always in the paint getting boards. How many times has he shocked you with how high he gets off the ground to rebound. He plays fearless, its in his nature to rebound. MCW gets more naturally cause he is taller, but he isn't better at it then him. I don't see how anybody can say MCW is a better defender when he hasn't played real defense. I know the few times he was matched up against Wyatt from Temple those ankles were a lil wobbly........Even if MCW goes before Burke some how, I don't think he is better or going to end up better.

machu46
Registered User
Joined: 06/21/2012
Posts: 909
Points: 1443
Offline
I get that MCW didn't play in

I get that MCW didn't play in a man-to-man system, but Burke's an average college defender at best and got beat up against more physical guards. MCW showed that he at least has the tools to be a great defender.

The rebounding isn't really worth a response. It's as much a debate as trying to argue who the better shooter is between these two. It isn't close.

And McGary is a great player, and most importantly, he could catch Burke's passes, unlike any of Syracuse's big men and any of Michigan's other big men not named McGary. McGary did most of his damage in the tournament off of getting offensive boards on Burke's misses.

IndianaBasketball
IndianaBasketball's picture
Registered User
Joined: 05/09/2009
Posts: 12674
Points: 23861
Offline
I won't say it's impossible

I won't say it's impossible that MCW goes before Burke. It only takes one dumb GM to pull the trigger.

orangeshadow83
Registered User
Joined: 02/19/2011
Posts: 183
Points: 409
Offline
Exactly it only takes one

Exactly it only takes one GM...I will say MCW will be the superior defender in the NBA without a doubt in my mind. His length alone gives him a huge advantage. Defensive schemes can be coached and MCW is a very coachable player.

@313LOUD - I would harldy say the syracuse zone isnt a 'real defense', its obviously different from man to man but it takes a lot of talent and IQ to play the zone like he (and the rest of the team did this year). If you watched acy cuse games, much like burke, MCW was always in the middle of the play fearlessly going for rebounds, its also in MCW's nature to rebound and he's much taller.

Like I said earlier I think Burke is the safer pick (more complete offensive game) but MCW has the higher ceiling and WILL be the better defender.

RSS: Syndicate content