[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

This guy is the best guard/NBA prospect in high school (if you count Josh Jackson as a small forward) and it’s not really that close. This guy is getting comparison to a young Derrick  Rose in high school. He’s 6’2" – 6’3" with elite athleticism, ball handling, finishing, and great in small areas. He needs to work on his jump shot and his decison making, but he’s only about to be a junior in high school.

His high school coach says he’s already better than Isaiah Briscoe and Tyler Ennis. He also said when he finish high school he’s going to be better than Jay Williams. I believe they said he’s transfering from that school though. 

He’s getting interest and offers from the likes from Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, Louisville, St. Johns, and about every college in the country.

He have the potential to go number 1 in the 2018 draft along with DeAndre Ayton. Most now see him potentially surpassing Ayton as the number one in 2017.

ESPN have him currently as the 13th best player in the country (seems far too low and most likely will get a huge boost when new rankings come out), Rivals have him number 5, and 247Sports have him 2 and 5.

If you have a chance go watch this kid play. He just went against Josh Jackson and beat his team at the buzzer and outscored him 24 – 23.

 

 

 

 

 

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 24 – 23? Man he’s definitely better than Josh Jackson. He should definitely be the #1 pick in the 2017 Draft

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 24 – 23? Man he’s definitely better than Josh Jackson. He should definitely be the #1 pick in the 2017 Draft

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 He’s in the 2018 draft not the 2017 draft. And i’ve pointed out that he’s the best guard in the county if you don’t consider Josh Jackson a guard. I never said that because he scored one more point than Josh Jackson. I just pointed that he beat Josh Jackson team and he had a great showing that game. Not because he scored one more pointnso he deserve to be the number one pick. 

 

 

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 He’s in the 2018 draft not the 2017 draft. And i’ve pointed out that he’s the best guard in the county if you don’t consider Josh Jackson a guard. I never said that because he scored one more point than Josh Jackson. I just pointed that he beat Josh Jackson team and he had a great showing that game. Not because he scored one more pointnso he deserve to be the number one pick. 

 

 

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 Alright, didn’t see the part about if Jackson is a small forward on there. Sorry about the confusion, and I also meant to put 2018 on there but accidentally put 2017. Even typing this post I accidentally put 2017 instead of ’18 so yeah… I guess I should have read the whole thing better.

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 Alright, didn’t see the part about if Jackson is a small forward on there. Sorry about the confusion, and I also meant to put 2018 on there but accidentally put 2017. Even typing this post I accidentally put 2017 instead of ’18 so yeah… I guess I should have read the whole thing better.

[GBeeParticipant]

 He’s athletic but plays under control.  That’s a pretty rare quality to have at such a young age.  Most athletic guards that age tend to rely on their athleticism and have no clue about playing with pace.  It looks like he understands the importance of change of speeds already, setting guys up as opposed to just putting his head down.  Physically he has it all too. Long arms, big hands, strong build, body control, etc.  I’ve liked what I’ve seen so far.

Better than Briscoe and Ennis at the same stage? Yeah I can see that, pretty easily too. JWill? Eh.

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 He’s athletic but plays under control.  That’s a pretty rare quality to have at such a young age.  Most athletic guards that age tend to rely on their athleticism and have no clue about playing with pace.  It looks like he understands the importance of change of speeds already, setting guys up as opposed to just putting his head down.  Physically he has it all too. Long arms, big hands, strong build, body control, etc.  I’ve liked what I’ve seen so far.

Better than Briscoe and Ennis at the same stage? Yeah I can see that, pretty easily too. JWill? Eh.

 

[wonzi_bellsParticipant]

 Yeah, he’s been killing the summer circuit this year. It’s pretty much a foregone conclusion that he’ll be a consensus top five guy in the 2017 high school class. Very good change of speeds, quick crossover and can hit step-backs in the mid-range and great finisher with both hands. Just needs to extend his range and cut down on turnovers. 

Very much like Derrick Rose with his body control finishing with the way he twists in the air. One small quibble though. I don’t know if you were hyping him up but most scouts don’t see him potentially passing Ayton for the number one spot.

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 There’s an article on 247sports saying can he pass him up. And alot of experts and recruiting analyst say he possibly can

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 There’s an article on 247sports saying can he pass him up. And alot of experts and recruiting analyst say he possibly can

[wonzi_bellsParticipant]

 Yeah, he’s been killing the summer circuit this year. It’s pretty much a foregone conclusion that he’ll be a consensus top five guy in the 2017 high school class. Very good change of speeds, quick crossover and can hit step-backs in the mid-range and great finisher with both hands. Just needs to extend his range and cut down on turnovers. 

Very much like Derrick Rose with his body control finishing with the way he twists in the air. One small quibble though. I don’t know if you were hyping him up but most scouts don’t see him potentially passing Ayton for the number one spot.

[TopShottaParticipant]

 At the pg position he def isn’t better than dennis smith. Its really no need to mention the other guards better than him at the moment. I like his game alot tho. He also isnt in the same league as d-rose athletically. When I see him hoop I think of Steph Marbury in highschool. He isnt better than Steph at the same stage, but his game resembles steph’s at the same stage.

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

I don’t have Dennis Smith as the best guard in his own class. I fell like De’Aaron Fox, Malik Monk, and Kobi Simmons as better players and prospects than Dennis Smith.

I now fell like people is starting to overrate Dennis Smith as a prospect. He’s barely 6’1" and is a scoring guard. He’s not that good of a passer and not that good of a shooter. As for De’Aaron Fox (who literally outplayed Smith when they faced off) is a legit 6’4" with great defense, great quickness, and is a good passer. Kobi Simmons is a legit 6’5" is a great athlete and a great passer. And Malik Monk who is the most explosive scorer in this class.

In comparison to Trevon Duval with Dennis Smith. Duval is have a better physical makeup, got better handles, more athletic, younger, quicker, penetrator, and abilty to create plays in small areas.

It’s not really that close w/ who’s the best guard prospect in the country.

And Ii already know ncballer about to come and claim Dennis Smith

 

 

 

 

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 There’s a lot I disagree with in this post.  Smith is small, but he’s definitely a point and he’s a good passer too.  Between he, Fox and Simmons, I think Smith is the best passer of the bunch. Decision making and distributing are different aspects of the point game, and aren’t any of their strong suits, but in terms of pure playmaking, breaking down a defense, drive and kick, creativity, etc I’d have Smith over both Fox and Simmons.

Comparing Smith and Duval athletically, I’d say Smith is more athletic with his suddenness and explosiveness.  Duval might have more ranginess with his better size, but Smith is quicker. Their handles are comparable too. Not much difference.

I prefer Duval long term because of his size and apparent makeup, but I think you’re swaying too many aspects in his favor in this comparison to make Smith look worse. Some being flat out wrong.

 

 

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

• I would go w/ Simmons being the better passer out of the bunch of Fox and Smith
• I never said he wasn’t a point 
• In terms of drive and kick and creativity I would also go w/ Simmons. He’s pegged to be the best passer in thr class
• Smith is more explosive than Duval. I have to give you that, but in terms of his movement in the air (like Derrick Rose)
• I beliebe Duval have a better handle and it’s so advanced 
• I’m not trying to put it as if Dennis Smith is bad or anything, but I believe he’s not as good as Fox, Simmons, Monk, and most definitly Duval

[GBeeParticipant]

 You called him a scoring guard, as if Simmons, Fox, Duval are any different. If he’s a scoring guard, then so are they.

Simmons is the most overrated of the points mentioned in this thread.  I’m not impressed with his game. His decision making is poor. He’s sloppy, weak, is a high volume inefficient scorer and can be very careless with the ball.  By the end of his class’ evaluation, I expect him to fall.  I find it interesting and tbh, puzzling, that you think he’s the best passer in his class and of this bunch. I think he’s the most score first of the bunch and if any of the aforementioned is leaning towards a combo or SG, it’s him.  I question how much you’ve actually seen from him calling him the best passer in his class when by a per game basis, Smith more than doubled his assists per game on the same circuit (7 to 3).  Assists aren’t everything when evaluating passing, but 7 to 3 is a pretty dramatic difference. Out of everyone mentioned, I’d actually rate Simmons at the bottom in terms of passing/playmaking, behind other 16/17 points not even mentioned as well.

 

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

• How will Kobi Simmons go down on rankings when he just moved up in the ESPN Rankings, Rivals (Yahoo!) and 247Ssports. 
• Like you said assist numbers do not determine who’s the better passer. You do not know what role a player plays for his team.
• He is more looked as a combo guard due to the fact how tall and long he is, not because he’s not a distrubuter. 
• A 4 assist difference determines who is the better passer. So a 4 point scoring difference determines who’s the better scorer. And if that’s the case than Russell Westbrook  is a better scorer than LeBron James

I don’t even know why we even discussing this because I’ve just pointed out reasons that I view Fox and Simmons ahead of him. I never said neither Fox or Simmons aren’t scoring guards. I just glorified their physical profile and some things that make Simmons and Fox great. And Dennis Smith is reconizably known as a scoring guard. I just said what I prefer. And I prefer the players that have a better physical profile and have a great skill set. 

And I don’t know why we are talking about passing and that’s not the topic of discussion. 

  

 

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

• How will Kobi Simmons go down on rankings when he just moved up in the ESPN Rankings, Rivals (Yahoo!) and 247Ssports. 
• Like you said assist numbers do not determine who’s the better passer. You do not know what role a player plays for his team.
• He is more looked as a combo guard due to the fact how tall and long he is, not because he’s not a distrubuter. 
• A 4 assist difference determines who is the better passer. So a 4 point scoring difference determines who’s the better scorer. And if that’s the case than Russell Westbrook  is a better scorer than LeBron James

I don’t even know why we even discussing this because I’ve just pointed out reasons that I view Fox and Simmons ahead of him. I never said neither Fox or Simmons aren’t scoring guards. I just glorified their physical profile and some things that make Simmons and Fox great. And Dennis Smith is reconizably known as a scoring guard. I just said what I prefer. And I prefer the players that have a better physical profile and have a great skill set. 

And I don’t know why we are talking about passing and that’s not the topic of discussion. 

  

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 That’s just what I foresee happening. By the time the final composite rankings are out before this class heads to college, I see him falling.  Thin build, low IQ, careless, shot-happy, inefficient, scorers don’t have staying power. 2016 is a very good HS class with depth and numerous guys on the rise as they fill into their bodies.  I’ll put it like this: If my favorite college team was down to one available scholly and they had Simmons, a guy like Sacha Killeya-Jones, Javin DeLaurier, Rawle Alkins, Marques Bolden or Mustapha Heron on the radar, I know who I wouldn’t want having priority.  Ranking the class in terms of program impact and/or pro potential, I’d have Simmons much lower.

What other role should "the best passer in his class" have on his team? Tbh, I don’t even think he’s the best passer on his AAU team.  That would Braxton Blackwell. I’d rather have Josh Langford as the primary playmaker too.

He’s a combo because he plays like a scorer who likes to handle the ball. He’s not a distributor either and shows poor instincts in terms of running an offense. The latter is why I think he projects to be more of a SG, not a PG, in which case, his physical tools are actually pretty weak.

Your analogy would make more sense if there wasn’t such a dramatic difference in assists. A 4 assist difference is an equivalent of 8 points per game at least. Plus with scoring there are basic metrics to determine who a better scorer is in conjunction with raw PPG, namely those that note efficiency.

We’ll see how Simmons’ body transforms and translates. He’s got a naturally thin body, is already showing an aversion to contact and a penchant for getting bumped off his lines, which could force him to being someone who primarily creates his own offense from the outside, where he shows poor shot selection and a low release.

Yeah, Smith is known as a scoring guard, yet he has the highest assist rate across all circuits. They’re both score first, but it’s pretty obvious to me who’s better at balancing playmaking and scoring, and who the better overall passer is.

We’re talking about passing because you stated that you think that Simmons is the better passer b/t he Fox and Smith and you said that he’s the best passer in class, which, I have no idea how you could come to that conclusion after watching them play.

 

 

 

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 That’s just what I foresee happening. By the time the final composite rankings are out before this class heads to college, I see him falling.  Thin build, low IQ, careless, shot-happy, inefficient, scorers don’t have staying power. 2016 is a very good HS class with depth and numerous guys on the rise as they fill into their bodies.  I’ll put it like this: If my favorite college team was down to one available scholly and they had Simmons, a guy like Sacha Killeya-Jones, Javin DeLaurier, Rawle Alkins, Marques Bolden or Mustapha Heron on the radar, I know who I wouldn’t want having priority.  Ranking the class in terms of program impact and/or pro potential, I’d have Simmons much lower.

What other role should "the best passer in his class" have on his team? Tbh, I don’t even think he’s the best passer on his AAU team.  That would Braxton Blackwell. I’d rather have Josh Langford as the primary playmaker too.

He’s a combo because he plays like a scorer who likes to handle the ball. He’s not a distributor either and shows poor instincts in terms of running an offense. The latter is why I think he projects to be more of a SG, not a PG, in which case, his physical tools are actually pretty weak.

Your analogy would make more sense if there wasn’t such a dramatic difference in assists. A 4 assist difference is an equivalent of 8 points per game at least. Plus with scoring there are basic metrics to determine who a better scorer is in conjunction with raw PPG, namely those that note efficiency.

We’ll see how Simmons’ body transforms and translates. He’s got a naturally thin body, is already showing an aversion to contact and a penchant for getting bumped off his lines, which could force him to being someone who primarily creates his own offense from the outside, where he shows poor shot selection and a low release.

Yeah, Smith is known as a scoring guard, yet he has the highest assist rate across all circuits. They’re both score first, but it’s pretty obvious to me who’s better at balancing playmaking and scoring, and who the better overall passer is.

We’re talking about passing because you stated that you think that Simmons is the better passer b/t he Fox and Smith and you said that he’s the best passer in class, which, I have no idea how you could come to that conclusion after watching them play.

 

 

 

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 You called him a scoring guard, as if Simmons, Fox, Duval are any different. If he’s a scoring guard, then so are they.

Simmons is the most overrated of the points mentioned in this thread.  I’m not impressed with his game. His decision making is poor. He’s sloppy, weak, is a high volume inefficient scorer and can be very careless with the ball.  By the end of his class’ evaluation, I expect him to fall.  I find it interesting and tbh, puzzling, that you think he’s the best passer in his class and of this bunch. I think he’s the most score first of the bunch and if any of the aforementioned is leaning towards a combo or SG, it’s him.  I question how much you’ve actually seen from him calling him the best passer in his class when by a per game basis, Smith more than doubled his assists per game on the same circuit (7 to 3).  Assists aren’t everything when evaluating passing, but 7 to 3 is a pretty dramatic difference. Out of everyone mentioned, I’d actually rate Simmons at the bottom in terms of passing/playmaking, behind other 16/17 points not even mentioned as well.

 

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

• I would go w/ Simmons being the better passer out of the bunch of Fox and Smith
• I never said he wasn’t a point 
• In terms of drive and kick and creativity I would also go w/ Simmons. He’s pegged to be the best passer in thr class
• Smith is more explosive than Duval. I have to give you that, but in terms of his movement in the air (like Derrick Rose)
• I beliebe Duval have a better handle and it’s so advanced 
• I’m not trying to put it as if Dennis Smith is bad or anything, but I believe he’s not as good as Fox, Simmons, Monk, and most definitly Duval

[GBeeParticipant]

 There’s a lot I disagree with in this post.  Smith is small, but he’s definitely a point and he’s a good passer too.  Between he, Fox and Simmons, I think Smith is the best passer of the bunch. Decision making and distributing are different aspects of the point game, and aren’t any of their strong suits, but in terms of pure playmaking, breaking down a defense, drive and kick, creativity, etc I’d have Smith over both Fox and Simmons.

Comparing Smith and Duval athletically, I’d say Smith is more athletic with his suddenness and explosiveness.  Duval might have more ranginess with his better size, but Smith is quicker. Their handles are comparable too. Not much difference.

I prefer Duval long term because of his size and apparent makeup, but I think you’re swaying too many aspects in his favor in this comparison to make Smith look worse. Some being flat out wrong.

 

 

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

I don’t have Dennis Smith as the best guard in his own class. I fell like De’Aaron Fox, Malik Monk, and Kobi Simmons as better players and prospects than Dennis Smith.

I now fell like people is starting to overrate Dennis Smith as a prospect. He’s barely 6’1" and is a scoring guard. He’s not that good of a passer and not that good of a shooter. As for De’Aaron Fox (who literally outplayed Smith when they faced off) is a legit 6’4" with great defense, great quickness, and is a good passer. Kobi Simmons is a legit 6’5" is a great athlete and a great passer. And Malik Monk who is the most explosive scorer in this class.

In comparison to Trevon Duval with Dennis Smith. Duval is have a better physical makeup, got better handles, more athletic, younger, quicker, penetrator, and abilty to create plays in small areas.

It’s not really that close w/ who’s the best guard prospect in the country.

And Ii already know ncballer about to come and claim Dennis Smith

 

 

 

 

 

[ncballer]

 Raycasey got his lunch money taken away from Dennis Smith.

He has gone out of his way to undermine him.

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

Just like you got his balls in your mouth saying "he deserve to the number one pick in the 2017 draft" It’s pretty clear that you are bias just looking at your name "ncballer"

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

Just like you got his balls in your mouth saying "he deserve to the number one pick in the 2017 draft" It’s pretty clear that you are bias just looking at your name "ncballer"

[ncballer]

 Is it clear that my name denotes a bias?  Also you are putting words in my mouth.  Never did I say he was deserving of the number 1 pick.  No one is at this point, a lot of basketball to be played before that.  I did say he is who I would pick at this point.

Your case for Kobi Simmons as a better player than him denotes a bias against him.  Kobi has had a very underwhelming summer.  I have talked to scouts that say they would take Frank Jackson over Simmons at this point.  

I realize that my preference for him may be considered unorthodox, but it is not out of the loom crazy as you portray it to be.  In contrast, a preference for Simmons over Smith based on performance, is a little out there and headscrstching to those that have seen the two play this summer.

[ncballer]

 Is it clear that my name denotes a bias?  Also you are putting words in my mouth.  Never did I say he was deserving of the number 1 pick.  No one is at this point, a lot of basketball to be played before that.  I did say he is who I would pick at this point.

Your case for Kobi Simmons as a better player than him denotes a bias against him.  Kobi has had a very underwhelming summer.  I have talked to scouts that say they would take Frank Jackson over Simmons at this point.  

I realize that my preference for him may be considered unorthodox, but it is not out of the loom crazy as you portray it to be.  In contrast, a preference for Simmons over Smith based on performance, is a little out there and headscrstching to those that have seen the two play this summer.

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

You said in previous post when talking about the 2017 mock draft that you would take Dennis Smith Jr. number one and Harry Giles number two. You said that. I said that your name denotes bias because your name is “ncballer” (North Carolina baller). Dennis Smith and Harry Giles are from North Carolina.

How am im bias for Simmons because I have no affiliation to Kobi Simmons. If Simmons had such a underwhelming summer, why is he moving up the rankings? And most believe that Frank Jackson is the best guard in the class and he rising fast.

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

You said in previous post when talking about the 2017 mock draft that you would take Dennis Smith Jr. number one and Harry Giles number two. You said that. I said that your name denotes bias because your name is “ncballer” (North Carolina baller). Dennis Smith and Harry Giles are from North Carolina.

How am im bias for Simmons because I have no affiliation to Kobi Simmons. If Simmons had such a underwhelming summer, why is he moving up the rankings? And most believe that Frank Jackson is the best guard in the class and he rising fast.

[ncballer]

 The thing is most experts out there would not find it that crazy to take those two top two in the draft at this point.  There is a lot of basketball to be played though.  It’s not like I have Bam Abedayo as number 3.  In fact I find him terribly overrated on this site.  If I had Bam as number 3 then by all means say that I am biased towards NC players, but you have no basis to say that because whether you like it or not Dennis is a contender at the moment for the number 1 pick.   

I have no idea how Kobi is moving up in the rankings.  He has not played to his billing this summer.  GBee and I recognize it yet you refuse to to blatantly put down Dennis.  

I found it cute by the way that you talked about me in this thread before I even commented.  I will wait to comment on Duval until I get a chance to see him live.  I do know following that 24 point game against Jackson, he put up a modest 9 point 6 assist outting.  

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 Most of the rankings had Kobi Simmons in the teens before the previous rankings. Now almost every single ranking have him top 10. And you do not watch all  his games like scouts do. All you could do is look at numbers and see who’s better. The rankings show how good he is and how he’s improving.

It’s bias because it;s pretty clear that Dennis Smith not a top 3 prospect.

I talked about you because I knew that you would come for your lover (Dennis Smith) defense when I said he wasn’t a top 3 guard in the 2017 draft, and you did come to his defense. And everyone have off games. And you cannot base everything off of stats. And if that’s the case then Jayson Tatum is better than Harry Giles due to the fact that he put up better stats than him. And De’Aaron Fox is better than Dennis Smith due the fact that he put up better stats him. 

 

 

 

 

 

[ncballer]

 The irony runs thick as your OP made it a point to list that Duval scored one more point than Jackson in their game.  I will hold out commenting on Duval before I can see him play a few games.  My point was you seem to be putting a lot of stock into his game against Jackson.  I watched Seventh Woods dropped 40 on Dennis Smith once and no one in their right mind now would take Woods over Smith.

 My friend has been at all these events and told me that for the most part Simmons has not lived up to his ranking this whole summer.  GBee has seen and heard the same thing.  

Most services have Smith ranked number 4 after Giles, Jackson and Tatum.  With the NBA being a PG league now, it is not out of the realm to think that he could be drafted before them considering his talent.  Notice how you are the only one going out of your way to devalue my opinion of Smith.  That’s cuz everyone who has seen him play knows that what I am saying is not out of the realm of possibility.  Only you think it’s not.  Your beef towards Smith is a lot stronger and apparent than my affinity towards him as a prospect.  

[ncballer]

 The irony runs thick as your OP made it a point to list that Duval scored one more point than Jackson in their game.  I will hold out commenting on Duval before I can see him play a few games.  My point was you seem to be putting a lot of stock into his game against Jackson.  I watched Seventh Woods dropped 40 on Dennis Smith once and no one in their right mind now would take Woods over Smith.

 My friend has been at all these events and told me that for the most part Simmons has not lived up to his ranking this whole summer.  GBee has seen and heard the same thing.  

Most services have Smith ranked number 4 after Giles, Jackson and Tatum.  With the NBA being a PG league now, it is not out of the realm to think that he could be drafted before them considering his talent.  Notice how you are the only one going out of your way to devalue my opinion of Smith.  That’s cuz everyone who has seen him play knows that what I am saying is not out of the realm of possibility.  Only you think it’s not.  Your beef towards Smith is a lot stronger and apparent than my affinity towards him as a prospect.  

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 Most of the rankings had Kobi Simmons in the teens before the previous rankings. Now almost every single ranking have him top 10. And you do not watch all  his games like scouts do. All you could do is look at numbers and see who’s better. The rankings show how good he is and how he’s improving.

It’s bias because it;s pretty clear that Dennis Smith not a top 3 prospect.

I talked about you because I knew that you would come for your lover (Dennis Smith) defense when I said he wasn’t a top 3 guard in the 2017 draft, and you did come to his defense. And everyone have off games. And you cannot base everything off of stats. And if that’s the case then Jayson Tatum is better than Harry Giles due to the fact that he put up better stats than him. And De’Aaron Fox is better than Dennis Smith due the fact that he put up better stats him. 

 

 

 

 

 

[ncballer]

 The thing is most experts out there would not find it that crazy to take those two top two in the draft at this point.  There is a lot of basketball to be played though.  It’s not like I have Bam Abedayo as number 3.  In fact I find him terribly overrated on this site.  If I had Bam as number 3 then by all means say that I am biased towards NC players, but you have no basis to say that because whether you like it or not Dennis is a contender at the moment for the number 1 pick.   

I have no idea how Kobi is moving up in the rankings.  He has not played to his billing this summer.  GBee and I recognize it yet you refuse to to blatantly put down Dennis.  

I found it cute by the way that you talked about me in this thread before I even commented.  I will wait to comment on Duval until I get a chance to see him live.  I do know following that 24 point game against Jackson, he put up a modest 9 point 6 assist outting.  

[ncballer]

 Raycasey got his lunch money taken away from Dennis Smith.

He has gone out of his way to undermine him.

[TopShottaParticipant]

 At the pg position he def isn’t better than dennis smith. Its really no need to mention the other guards better than him at the moment. I like his game alot tho. He also isnt in the same league as d-rose athletically. When I see him hoop I think of Steph Marbury in highschool. He isnt better than Steph at the same stage, but his game resembles steph’s at the same stage.

[WinterSoldierParticipant]

 He is not an elite athlete, I’m not even sure he is above average for a NBA level athlete. Dennis Smith is an elite athlete and even he is below Derrick Rose. Trevon reminds me more of a Irving, Ennis type of athlete. His talent will be his skill level on the college and pro levels. 

[WinterSoldierParticipant]

 He is not an elite athlete, I’m not even sure he is above average for a NBA level athlete. Dennis Smith is an elite athlete and even he is below Derrick Rose. Trevon reminds me more of a Irving, Ennis type of athlete. His talent will be his skill level on the college and pro levels. 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 I like Deaaron Fox and Dennis Smith as the best gaurds in the country.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 I like Deaaron Fox and Dennis Smith as the best gaurds in the country.

[EspressoprodigyParticipant]

 I’m looking at his highlights, and it just seems impossible that he would be ranked over Ayton and Porter.

Porter is the best NBA prospect in HS

[EspressoprodigyParticipant]

 I’m looking at his highlights, and it just seems impossible that he would be ranked over Ayton and Porter.

Porter is the best NBA prospect in HS

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