Trading Greg Monroe
I have read several reports that Greg Monroe's agent, Falk, is pushing for a max contract. I have read from two different sources that he is searching for a deal either between 4 years/12 mil per year and 4 yrs/15 mil per year. As a huge Pistons fan especially in these difficult times, I was wondering what a sign-and-trade might bring the Pistons in return for Greg Monroe. I would love them to keep him, but with Joe Dumars extremely screwing up the rebuilding process for one last shot at saving his job I am not sure how likely it will be (To be honest, I thought that they should have just amnestied Ben Gordon instead of trading him plus a draft pick for cap space... the trade never made sense to me when you have a lottery bound team that didn't have a quick fix. A smarter move in my opinion would have been building through the draft around Monroe and Drummond and then using the cap space that you get once BG/CV contracts expire for extending players and building a quality roster). Though Greg Monroe has his issues on defense, he has a great game and is a really good passer. I think that if he is given the right coaching (I.E. not Lawrence Frank, Mo Cheeks) he could improve his defense greatly. What players or even draft picks in this draft do you guys think Greg Monroe could bring? He is a great guy from what I've seen and heard and a good influence in the locker room, though he doesn't seem to be vocal enough to be a leader yet. Plus, he is still extemely young (only 23). Thoughts?
Edit: If anyone wants sources on the contract rumors/where I am getting them, feel free to let me know. I would be glad to add a link.
Monroe for Eric Gordon?? Risky and expensive for Pistons
Monroe to the suns for 17 27 and A. Goodwin... probably not enough
Monroe and the pistons 8th pick to the Celtics and their 5 and Gerald Wallace? Pistons move up and grab exum or smart depending whose there and have a lineup of Jennings/(exum or smart)/Jeff Green/Josh Smith/Drummond. While the C's go down to 8 and grab James Young, Gary Harris, or Nik Stauskas. Lineup of Rondo/(Young/Harris/Stauskas)/Green/Monroe/FA Center or Vitor
I too saw articles that stated he will be seeking the max. Of course his agent will be seeking the max, that's how job as an agent but I doubt any team seriously considers it. Then again the same Pistons team gave Josh Smith 15 mil so anything can happen.
The bottom line is nothing about him speaks max player to me. He's not dominant, he doesn't sell tickets or jerseys and he doesn't even put up anywhere close to monster numbers.
He's a 15 and 9 guy who doesn't protect the rim or play good defense at all for that matter. This is just his agent being his agent. I would be willing to pay 10 mil per year for a guy like Monroe but he should in no way be confused for a max player.
I think Detroit was smart not to offer him an extension for two reasons. 1) I think they will be surprised on the kind of offers he gets and they may be willing to match. And 2) maybe the low offers I am anticipating will spark something in him.
I think the days of players like Monroe getting max deals are mostly past. With Dumars and Dolan and Coangelo out of the way it seems less likely. But someone could get desperate.
I have seen tons of Laker fans claiming to want the guy and I personally want nothing to do with him. Don't see him as a guy who moves the needle much.
10 million a year for Monroe? Your implying that he is worth less than Tiago Splitter LOL . He is a borderline to max player because big men with good size, footwork, and a post game will get paid. He averaged 15 and 9 whilst playing with Josh Smith and Andre Drummond. His defense is not great but, if you have actually watched any of Detroits games (which I doubt), you would notice that he has improved defensively this season. Realistically he will get around 14-16 million a year, 13 would be the absolute lowest.....
I'd love him on the Knicks and would be willing to back Josh Smith to make it happen. Aside for expiring contracts, Tim Hardaway Jr., and the possibility of getting Jeff Green to send to them in a 3 way trade, I have little hope of us having the assets to get it done.
they should be looking to trade josh smith.. trade him for absolutely anything.
Easier said than done. Only contenders would be interested in him and most contenders already have the pre-requisite star power at the 4 spot.
I agree. They could possibly trade him to the Celtics for Gerald Wallace which would save the Pistons $4mill per year.
Horford gets $12 mill per year (perhaps he gave Atlanta a slight discount) If Josh Smith is gone, I think Monroe would consider re-signing with the Pistons for around this sort of money.
The pistons could then possibly trade their lotto pick (and possibly another small asset) to Washington for Otto Porter or perhaps Webster. If not they could sign Aminu in the offseason. Aminu and Wallace would both be good for the pistons. They are team players who are going to help their team and dont' require alot of the ball or shots to keep them happy.
The pistons finished the 12-13 season with a record of 29-53. By adding Smith and Jennings this season they finished with the exact same record.
from some team, 12+ at the least. I don't think he has to go the sign and trade route because so many teams have cap space. Even teams like the Lakers could offer Monroe the soft max, if Pau wants 12+ then Monroe for 15 doesn't sound bad. Bobcats, Wizards, Suns there's lots of options. Remember teams don't get much in a sign and trade anyway, Lebron brought to distant first round picks that were still protected. I think at 12 Detroit matches and at 14+ he walks. They could do what Ujiri did with Nene in Denver and trade him next summer or midseason. Teams hate taking big long contracts but its a lot of bad teams in undesirable cities that actually would want a guy on a longer deal.
I think the Magic is his best fit. He is next to a up and coming center and he also can be spelled by a strech four in Harris. Some team will offer him the max and challlenge Detroit to match it. No matter who the GM is he cannot match the offer of a soft max unless he unloads Josh Smith. If the Pells didn't give Tyreke all that money they would have been a good fit.
This might be the only question Gores asks in the GM interview.
Gores: What in the h3ll are you going to do with this frontcourt mess?
Potential GM candidate: ??? AHHHH...??? Can you still validate my parking?
I will feel sorrow and pitty for the team that offers him 15 mil per. What has he done to warrant that? Sure Pau wants 12 mil but that doesn't mean he will get it. 15 mil is what you pay a 2nd option, I just don't see Monroe as that. But you are right some team will over pay for mediocrity, it happens every year.
And am I missing something? Don't the Pistons have enough cap room to match anything? Couldn't they match any offer if they choose anyways? If someone offers him 15 I think they are smart to cut ties.
because they have his Bird Rights. But they would have 30 million dollars wrapped up in power forwards. Both Monroe and Smith are minuses at any other position and both pluses at PF. They should have traded him and Stuckey for Affalo and Harkless/Harris. Whatever incentives were needed they should have made it happen.
isn't just for him to go to a team with cap space. Could also be about the Pistons using their leverage to stop a team from getting him for nothing in return. For instance, he signs an offer sheet with the Wizards, but Detroit says "We're going to match the offer sheet unless we can work out a S&T"
I'd be reluctant to pay him much more than $50 million over 4 years using Favors at $49 million over 4 years as a guideline. Don't forget Al Jefferson got $13.5 million a year last summer and he is much more proven than Monroe.
Detroit should have got an offer on the table last year if they had offered anything around what Favours got, I expect that Monroe would have resigned as his advisors would not turn down that sort of money IMO. Detroit would have still had to sort out the Smith/Monroe PF issue but they would have a very nice tradeable asset in Monroe who they could now lose for nothing or have to match and possibly overpay.
because there both one way players. Jefferson already got paid once though and doesn't possess the always oft overated "potential" tag that Monroe coming off a rookie scale deals carries. Jefferson also had a major injury in his past and has the potential to gain 30 pounds on a long term deal. He hasn't and won't but its always a possibility for Jefferson and has the potential to get you fired as a GM. Jefferson looks like a steal at 13.5 by the way which should help Monroe immensely.
Imagine Monroe in offensively challenged Chicago if Melo is a no go. He would be a upgrade over Boozer for the same price. Josh Smith would be even better for Chicago then Monroe. Maybe some picks and Boozer gets it done if Detroit plans a total rebuild.
Toronto are under the salary cap. They have a $7 mill team option on Amir Johnson, if they declined they could sign Monroe.
A Raptor team of Lowry, Ross, DeRozen, Monroe and JV looks quite strong.
Isn't Lowry a FA himself and needs to be resigned?
Doesn't mean they can't sign Monroe but they have to take care of Lowry too and they should somehow try to keep Amir as he is a true leader to this young group. I would pick Monroe over Johnson any day of the weak but chemistry and leadership need cap money too.
a lengthy post on that here:
I'm certainly not opposed to bringing him back, but don't want to give him a max deal because of his lack of versatility and defensive struggles. If he's back then obviously Smith needs to be traded.
Josh Smith for Boozer would be an interesting choice if Chicago don't get Melo or can't get the rules changed to allow two balls on court. If Detroit wanted to create cap space might they do the trade with Chicago throwing in the lesser of their first rounders this year and use Boozer as a veteran presence behind Monroe and Drummond then look to trade him to a contender near deadline day.
Noah and Smith would be a good defensive unit and Coach Thibs would like Smith's defensive game and his 3 point range would give Chicago useful offensive options.
Monroe has not improved since his second year, he had a very low ceiling it looks like. They even put a defensive beast next to him in Drummond and it still didn't work from a win loss perspective. As a GM you would have to ask yourself "could I ever win with this guy". I think 8-10 a year might be all he gets offered.