[Celtics3178Participant]

 Rumor has it Danny will only trade the 1 pick for a return of #3 this year the better of the Lakers and sixers pick next year and the kings 2019 pick. The interesting thing is though he plans to use the #3 pick on Jackson and flip the picks from philly for AD or Butler. I didn’t think they would have enough ammo but am now convinced they do with this trade. The celtics will have the nets the lower of LA and Philly plus there own. The year after they would have clippers grizzlies kings and celts. That’s 7 first rd picks to offer plus AB,Crowder, Smart are all suddenly available. Last year the Bulls wanted AB Crowder Smart and two picks for Jimmy. If Danny gets the hall he’s looking for the #1 and he flips it for Josh Jackson Jimmy Butlet and then Signs Heyward is this his greatest heist ever. The contracts would match on Jimmy and they would still have max money for Heyward. Is an IT4 Butler Jackson Heyward Horford starting 5 good enough to beat the cavs or warriors?

[220Participant]

 I haven’t seen all that being listed. That’s a lot, it would make sense for the Celtics. Not sure the 76ers like Fultz that much. That’s one guaranteed lottery pick and likely two more lottery picks. The 76ers need to love Fultz to make that move if its as you listed.

[nill650Participant]

 I could see Philly giving up the 2018 first from Lakers & swapping their rights to the 2019 1st rounder from Sac for rights to Memphis 2019 1st rounder owned by Boston to move up to 1. 

I do not believe Philly will give up the 2018 lakers 1st and the 2019 1st from sacramento Just to move up 2 spots Unless Boston agrees to give them the 2018 1st from the Nets which they are unlikely to do since it is likely a top 5 pick.

Nothing likely to happen officially until draft night.

It would’nt surprise me if Boston does try to make these moves and then use the newly aquired futures to trade for Butler. But I do not think they are willing to trade whomever they pick in this draft be it jackson or Fultz without getting a significant return of more than 1 key player.

 

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

And the 76ers are only willing to part with the Lakers 2018 unprotected pick

This means Danny tried to get Butler and George for the Brooklyn picks and Chicago and Indiana have turned him down (Butler is a hometown guy and PG isn’t being moved until he absolutely tells the Pacers he won’t resign for the Super Max)

No team, And I repeat NO TEAM has as much fire power in trade then the 76ers, especially NOT THE LAKERS…

there is no bidding war, the 76ers own the Lakers pick in 2018 (in a Top heavy Draft Class) not to mention they are not the Cultic’s longest and most hated rivals in the entire NBA…

I repeat, the 76ers have all the leverage in a trade with BOSTON, who almost have to trade Down to 3 and take anyone BUT Markelle Fultz, who would signal the end of the Thomas and Bradley backcourt, one which lead the Celtics to the Top Seed in the Eastern Conference, it would be 1 step forward 2 steps backwards IMO…

Trading for 2 additional picks, drafting Josh Jackson or even Lonzo Ball at 3 makes way more sense, simply because you don’t send a clear message to your Guards that you’re moving one from at least 1 of them in the Immediate Future…

And if the Celtics play their cards right, they’ll draft JJ just to package him and all those additional picks for George at the deadline..IMO Gordon Hayward stays put in Utah, there’s no reason for him to leave TBH, playing for a college coach can’t be the main selling point…

If this trade goes through, which all accounts seem to point towards it going through, the 76ers win the Draft and will compete for a Championship in 3 years time, there’s no way they can’t land a premier Free Agent by the time Embiid and Simmons turn 23 and 24, with Fultz right behind them at 21/22 respectively, any prime time Free Agent would be best served to join that young Big 3 and putting them over the Top, and by that Time Lebron will be declining and the East wide open again…

Remember all these Super teams drafted their Franchise guy (76ers drafted 2!!!) Traded for the 2nd or 3rd option (Fultz would be the 3rd option) and signed the Super Star who put them over the Top (Paul George or Klay Thompson at SG would be the icing to the Perfect Cake)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

 

[XYRYXParticipant]

 while I agree that a core of Embiid, Simmons and Fultz are absolutely appealing and given the current immense cap room of the team, they are loaded going forward, I totally disagree who has the upper hand in a trade regarding the Celtics. 

The Celtics have the first pick and Fultz is regarded by almost everyone as the best player/prospect overall for weeks or months now. The Celtics could just pick him and move forward into free agency or throw another offer at the Bulls or the Pacers. If the Sixers really want Fultz, they need to trade for the first pick and that could cost them #3 and most likely the Sacto pick in 2019 maybe the Lakers or the Sixers pick next year. If they are not willing to give this much away, then live with what is left at #3. 

Ainge might actually like JJ better and if he can cash in here good for him and if he trades down he almost has cleared max cap space WHILE STILL have the team intact AND having picked Jackson or even Ball at 3. The only question is what will the Lakers do and if you believe the media Fultz impressed the Lakers in his workout and Jackson not so much. Ainge totally has the upper hand to me and drafting Fultz doesn’t mean anything right now regarding Bradley or IT until Butler or PG13 are really available. 

[BleedGreen808Participant]

 How does Philly hold all the cards in the trade?  Boston’s worst case is to take Fultz (the top prospect) and keep him.  If Philly wants him they need to meet what Boston is asking for.  

[Willfb3Participant]

Philly holds cards because the C’s will take Jackson 1 if they can’t reach a deal with Philly. The Sixers know Jackson is the C’s guy so whatever the Celtics recieve ontop of the third pick is a bonus for them.

[BleedGreen808Participant]

Personally I don’t believe that story.  That report about Jackson to Boston at #1 came out after Jackson cancelled a workout with the Celtics to workout a 2nd time for the Lakers.  Also that report was from an anonymous GM saying he "thinks Jackson is an Ainge guy".  

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

 Or the Celtics could take the Lakers deal instead. Then draft Jackson with the #2  leaving only Fox or Ball for the 76ers.

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 The Lakers NEED to draft either Jackson at Fultz or 2.  So, if Philly gets Fultz at 1, or if Boston drafts for Philly, then the Lakers SHOULD take Josh Jackson.  

Philly/Boston doesn’t want Lonzo Ball.  But, I think the Lakers still do.

SO, LA takes Lonzo, Boston/Philly panic, and LA tries to get the 3rd pick (Lonzo Ball) for D’Angelo Russell and some other pieces…

I think Lonzo and Russell might be a bad fit.  I think both might be better 2 guards with point guard skills (or vice versa) with neither being a world class athlete or speedster.  Russell also might be too ball dominant.

Now, if they can get an extra athletic combo guard to help out Lonzo (like Markelle Fultz), then it would work I think.

Russell and Lonzo, too similar in styles, strengths, and weaknesses.  Another thing: D’Angelo Russell seems like a guy who NEEDS the ball in his hands — and Lonzo is the better passer and playmaker.  Better floor general with more size and upside.  

if the Lakers can do something like Russell, Randle, the 28th pick, and a swap of 2019 first rounders, I think they can get Lonzo Ball (3rd pick) from Philly/Boston.

The Lakers would then have a Big Three of Lonzo, Josh Jackson, and Brandon Ingram, and probably could keep either Larry Nance, Jr. or Zubac.

I like Jordan Clarkson as a 4th perimeter guy if they can keep him.

Lakers send D’Angelo Russell, Julius Randle, another young player (Zubac, Nance, Jr., Clarkson), 28, and a swap of 2019 first round picks, plus cash for the 3rd pick.

They can even play Ingram at point, Lonzo at the 2, then Josh Jackson at the 3.

Very versatile big 3.  Probably you can get a better guy THIS YEAR than next year, UNLESS the Lakers get the top pick or something.

I can see Josh Jackson being an athletic, high-motor, 2 way wing that the Lakers need.  He can bring some flash and explosiveness to LA.  Brandon Ingram is ALSO more of a 3 than a 2 so maybe they take some time to mesh — but at best, you get a Jordan-Pippen type wing rotation there.  Then at least one of the two gets a solid 3 point shot.  Lonzo then runs the show as part of an AMOEBA perimeter.  … Clarkson would be a guy you can put with Lonzo in the backcourt.  Or, with Ingram or Jackson.  Tarik Black can rebound and hustle, and would be a solid enforcer on the New Look Showtime Lakers.  

They would probably would like to keep BOTH Zubac and Nance, Jr. but it wouldn’t be a dealbreaker if they had to send both of those guys.  If the deal is with Philly, maybe they could get Okafor or Richaun Holmes back in the deal — or at least a couple of those Philly second rounders.

The Lakers could probably really USE some 2nd rounders, since their perimeter rotation would be set (although they would need some shooting specialists), they can load up on big men.  The 2nd round is fairly loaded with rotation big men types…

My overall thinking is: if the Lakers can get TWO of the top 3 guys: Fultz, Jackson, and Ball, they should DO IT.  You take two of those 3 over only 1 of those 3 with D’Angelo Russell.  Two of those 3 top picks with Ingram would be a very promising Big Three.  

If I can’t do that, then I take one of those big 3 at number 2, then see if I can get the 10th pick from Sacto relatively cheaply.  Maybe Clarkson, Randle, 28, and a 2019 swap of picks would work…Then you take whoever falls.  Isaac might be the TOP GUY on the board, but I doubt he would be there.  Zach Collins could be the CENTER that they need… Lonzo, Collins, and Ingram would be an interesting Big Three.  Then you have Nance, Jr. at the 4.  Lauri Markannen would be enticing.  Luke Kennard would be an interesing, crafty backcourt, with some playmaking skills, scoring, and shooting, and decent athleticism to complement Ball (or Fultz).

Whoever wins this draft has the inside track of being the NEXT NBA team to win a title (although it could be 2023…).

I would think that it is a toss-up between the Celtics, Lakers, and Sixers of which one has a better draft.  The Kings are really set up to have a nice draft, sitting at 5 and 10 (they ALSO have 34 and I think this is a really good year to have a pick at 34).  The Knicks at 8 could really do something special, but that would have more to do with a top player FALLILNG.  (Unless they pull off a trade).  

It appears that the Philly-Boston trade basically hinges on what the Lakers do.

If I am running LA, then they NEED to go in there with a mentality that we are going to MAKE THE LAKERS GREAT AGAIN!  Get 2 of those top guys.  Draft either Jackson or Fultz then trade for the 3rd pick…

Like Philly, and also Boston, the Lakers need to get the BULK of their young core for the rebuild by the END OF DRAFT NIGHT.

Boston is running out of open slots on the team.

Philly has more picks than core guys.  How many more guys other than Embiid, Simmons, and Saric can you SIGN?  Not sure you can sign 5 or 6 TOP GUYS.  So, get THE FOURTH GUY NOW, move some other pieces and consolidate the core.

The Lakers have some solid young guys, but I am not sure any of them are SUPERSTARS (Russell, Randle, Zubac, Clarkson, Nance, Jr., and maybe even Brandon Ingram)…

so they need a SUPERSTAR.  Probably two.  Otherwise, you probably get a repeat of those Van Exel/Eddie Jones/Vlade Divac LAKE SHOW teams that were young and extremely fun to watch but not truly CONTENDERS.

Medium term?  Get Lonzo, get Jackson or Fultz too.  Keep Ingram, and one of those complementary bigs they have (Zubac, Black, Nance, Jr.).  Maybe bring Phil Jackson back.  With Luke Walton running the show, and Phil Jackson heading up the Ministry of the Triangle Offense, a Lonzo-Ingram-Josh Jackson Axis looks very promising.  With that big 3, plus some other guys, and some cash, they can then make a run at Blake Griffin (July 1), or Paul George next year, or even LeBron…

TELL ME that LeBron isn’t a great fit as a small ball power forward on a team featuring Lonzo Ball, Josh Jackson, and Brandon Ingram.  They would then only need an athletic rim protector like Javale McGee (Tarik Black would be their rebounding, defensive enforcer off the bench), and then some extra shooters/3 and D forwards (the ageless Matt Barnes?).  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[nill650Participant]

 boston owns 2018 1st from Nets ( the highest valued pick of next draft), and they also own 2019 1st from Memphis and 2019 early 20’s & 1st from LAC mid 20’s.

Philly owns 2018 1st from Lakers and 2019 first from Sacramento , both likely 3-10 range lottery picks barring a lottery win. + they own a 2019 1st from OKC in the early 20’s

I give a slight edge to Philly as far as pick values.

But not so much that they will get more than a fair deal. I do not think they "take" boston for more than what the picks are worth in a trade deal when Boston flips them. Since Boston is likely getting rejections for proposed pick swaps for Butler, They will demand more from Philly, or they will trade with the Lakers and have to use the prospect they pick at 2 as part of the trade deal with Chicago. Boston is not going to give up the farm to trade down.

[pokieParticipant]

 I have the Celtics/Sixers trade going down then the Lakers picking Jackson at two. Danny then pivots and selects D’aaron Fox for the Kings for five and ten and takes Lauri Markkanen and Zach Collins. That gives the Celtics a shot blocker, a stretch four, and two possible top five lottery picks for 2018.

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

The 76ers are simply giving the Celtics the 3rd overall (Jackson or Ball) and the Lakers unprotected 1st round Pick in 2018, there are NO PLAYERS OR Additional picks being discussed, although Philadelphia owns the Kings 2019 1st Round Pick and several of their own until 2020…These are the necessary ammo IF the Lakers or another Team decides to jump into the conversation…Philadelphia can afford to part with most of those picks BUT they have no reason to ATMOSPHERE

The Lakers only own this year’s 2nd overall pick and then the next tradable pick won’t be until 2019 (and that’s only if they don’t have to give it to Orlando)

The Lakers COULD include Russell or Randle in the deal for #1 but it’s already been established that Russell and Randle are NOT worth the #1 pick, especially to Boston who already have plenty of Guards (some that actually play defense and are not idiots who record team mates in the private lives)

The Celtics would rather have the Draft Picks to flip in a hypothetical trade for George (Butler isn’t being moved by all accounts) and can sign Blake Griffin (so why trade for Randle???)

I repeat, and I mean this with the most respect intended, the 76ers have all the leverage, because at the end of the day, they’ll make off with Jackson or Ball at 3 if they do nothing, or the Celtics can add a few more assets to trade for George at the deadline, the Pacers don’t want Brown and the Brooklyn picks, they’ve already turn that Deal down several times…

The 76ers will draft Fultz at 1 or Jackson/Ball at 3 of they don’t make a deal with Boston…

Boston trades for extra ammo for the inevitable PG13 trade OR they take Fultz and LOSE IT AND BRADLEY next year…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 Fultz, Simmons, Embiid, and Saric might be such a promising big four for Philly that they basically do any deal to get that done… 

I think I WOULD do that, because if you can only DEFINITELY SIGN 3 guys then Simmons, Embiid, and Fultz is a great 3.  Saric is a good FOURTH GUY who you work around on the contract… 

That’s about it anyway.  You just hope that you can resign guys like Robert Covington, Richaun Holmes, TJ McConnell, and Justin Anderson on the cheap.

They STILL have 2nd rounders at 39, 46, and 50.  Could be hard pressed to sign all their current guys AND 3 second rounders.

If Philly does trade swaps for that 2018 pick and the 2019 pick and throw those 3 second rounders in there, then that might be a better trade for Philly…

Boston probably doesn’t want 6 second round picks, but they can probably package those with another guy (Jae Crowder?) to get an extra talent.  Maybe Horford, Crowder, those 6 second rounders, Terry Rozier, and a future first for Kevin Love?  

If I am Cleveland I REALLY want Avery Bradley… 

Would Boston throw in Avery Bradley, too?

Instead of Terry Rozier and that future first?

If Boston goes for IT then IT and Josh Jackson would be the backcourt with Smart and Rozier off the bench.  Then you have Jaylen Brown, Kevin Love, and Olynyk on the front line with Jerebko off the bench.  Does that work?

I think Cleveland would think about throwing in Shump to get that deal…

if so, Shump would be a solid starter in the backcourt with IT if they would rather use Josh Jackson at the 3.

Cavs might be a bit more suited to play the Warriors if they had a 2 way guard in Avery Bradley starting at shooting guard (he can also handle the ball and run the offense) to go with Kyrie Irving in the backcourt.  JR Smith is your bigger 2 way wing probably as a 6th man.  Kyle Korver gives you another high end shooter if he resigns.  LeBron gets a playmaking big who is a bit better at defense and rim protection in Al Horford.  You can also use Horford more at center if they decide to run out some lineups with LeBron at the 4.  TT probably moves over to the 4 and gives them even more defense, rebounding, and shot blocking.

Jae Crowder is a jack of all trades at the 3.  He and LeBron can give you some of everything if they both start at the forward spots.  Or, Crowder comes off the bench to give LeBron some rest…

Channing Frye plays more as a pick and pop stretch center.  Tavares is a big man who takes up space.  

Irving, Bradley, JR Smith, Korver, LeBron, Crowder, TT, Horford, and Frye probably give the Cavs a more well-balanced team.  I think they really need some help at the other guard spot (especially with defense) and AB should be a good fit for them.  Then they still have the ageless Richard Jefferson as a guy who is better as a 12th man than maybe the second guy off the bench.  

With those 6 second rounders they can try to add an extra rim protector, a backup point guard (Mason III or somebody), a BPA guy, and then probably get draft and stash guys with the other picks, or sell them for cash.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

 If Hayward does sign with the Celtics, he won’t be playing PF. He is not a good 4. Trust a jazz fan, you don’t want him as your PF. You could use him as SG or SF but if you use him at the PF you will get killed. He is not good on the low block. With that being said, I still have a hard time seeing Hayward signing with the Celtics until we know whether or not the Celtics do trade for Butler. At the end of the day I still think he signs with the Jazz, They still have a pretty good case in my book.

[nill650Participant]

 Agreed, Hayward to the Celtics to me is a pipe dream, he is on a solid team a playoff team,and jumping ship to another playoff team and leaving $ on the table seems highly unlikley.

Just because Boston wants him, doesn’t mean he wants Boston.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 Get past Golden State. WHY STAY? RUIN YOUR BEST YEARS. WAKE UP GORDON NEEDS BOSTON TOO.

[nill650Participant]

 so your theory is based on GSW? what he doesn’t have to play them in the finals with Boston. Get real. 

He not taking less money for an easier path to nowhere. 

He is better off owning the role he has and leading his team as best he can, where he can at least give himself props for not bailing on the team that is only a player away from making waves against GSW and SA. He would get alot less touches in Boston as well. No thanks if I am him.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 I think Danny Ainge would trade HIMSELF for a future first round pick.

Wonder when he starts cashing in his chips though…

Can’t LOAD UP forever.  They either need to win NOW (IT and Co.) or LATER (Smart, Brown, picks).

 

 

[The GoatParticipant]

 So we now know Boston gets the Lakers pick in 2018 if it falls between 2 and 5 otherwise they get Sacto’s 2019 pick. To me, this screams that Ainge rates everyone at the top of the draft board pretty equally and that he will just take BPA, whether that’s at 3 or he trades back again for multiple picks. It wouldn’t surprise if he tried to flip 3 (JJ) to P hoenix for 4 and get Chandler or Len. They still could do with immediate help at the 5, they were #1 seed in the East, so it’s a bit about the now too. He could try take Fox for Sacto to get a combo of their picks and players (Gay, WCS, Skal). Butler, PG, Boogie all still in play. 

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