As much as Kahn mentioned that he would keep both Michael Beasley and Derrick Willaims, I just feel it's to the TWolves' best interest to trade Beasley away.
With that said, what would be the trade value of Michael Beasley? He's a high risk high reward player and it is hard to evaluate his value at this point. Would you guys trade for him (non TWolves fans) and if so what would you offer?
1) At the age 23, he still has a lot of potential and can score 20 PPG easily as the 1st option.
2) On a contract year, he would likely to breakout next year if he's allowed to be the 1st scoring option and received consistent play time of 30+ min (with Derrick Williams, it's not that likely if he stays with the TWolves).
3) He had taken a step forward and improved quite some on the court. Better offense and defense in his 3rd year (although still not much of defense).
1) a history of getting caught for various stupid acts and a lot of off court issues.
2) Mental breakdown after his rookie season (although he somewhat bounced back as a TWolves)
3) Immaturity even after 3 years of NBA
4) Doesn't really play much defense
5) Apparently not many GMs wanted him and he was traded for cap space and 2 2nd round picks.
I don't believe he should be traded. Drafting Derrick Williams was the wrong move.
But can he lead? Can he win? He had a decent year on Minnesota, but I think there is a reason his trade value is fairly limited. If you actually look at his PER, which is not the end all be all, but I find is at least a measure to see a players capability to eventually become a big time performer, he has actually gone down every year. Mike had a much better statistical season, and his scoring at 19.2 ppg in 32.3 mpg is solid, but he shot 45% from the field, which is less than optimal for a player at his position. He made a lot of mistakes as well, high number of Turnovers for his position. You can attribute that to his high usage, but I believe his passing should more than likely improve, and he should probably have the ball less.
The big thing with Beasley is that he has had major problems guarding either forward position. He is very much a tweener, and while he showed signs of improvement, the team was AWFUL. Now, you can blame the rest of the team and say that he and Kevin Love just got the brunt end of a poor supporting cast. You could even say they are a young team that needs maturation, and both are true. But, I have little faith in Michael Beasley being a major contributor to a winning team. If he is scoring 20 ppg, your team more than likely is not getting W's.
I think the Timberwolves drafted Derrick Williams for a reason, and that they will look to trade Beasley for a nice gain, as they gave up very little for him. Whoever has Beasley this year is getting an above average scoring combo forward, not to mention at a fairly reasonable price. However, the fact that Beasley is becoming a Free Agent leads me to believe that it could be more of a curse than a gift. Does anyone want to put a lot of money into a player like Beasley, not really knowing what you are getting after he signs the deal? He has a lot of ability, but I question his athleticism, which I see as being average, and you wonder about his work ethic. His defense keeps him off the court much more than you would want in someone seen as a potential All-Star.
If you can get a mid-first round pick (by trading him to a team somewhere in the middle) and a role player, I would see this as being a very solid trade for Beasley. I do not know why you would want him as your PF, his rebounding in college has in NOWAY translated to the NBA (average at best). I know a lot of people are high on Beasley, and I have not completely written him off, but I would not be incredibly confident trading for him if I were a GM. For all of the Timberwolves fans that see him as being a possible catalyst of a deal for Andre Iguodala, Monta Ellis or Josh Smith, I would say think again. I would be looking more towards some help up front and maybe some shooting, and if you get a shot at a mid first round pick, than you would have won the deal.
You can probably get a borderline all star SG (a Jason Richardson type level SG) for Beasley (which is what the TWolves need) or a decent starting center (maybe a Chris Kaman type level center). Beasley's value lies in his young age and advance skillset for his age. I think the TWolves should trade him for good veteran player (like the players I mentioned; Richardson or Kaman), they have too much young players and it would be for their benefit to add some veteran leadership on that locker room. I dont think trading Beasley for more draft picks is what they need, they have enough lottery players on their team.
I probably wouldnt say it was a bad move to draft him, but I think he has high trade value because no one still doesnt know how he would turn out. I for one think he will be good, but not as good as beasley. Beasley had 2 bad seasons in south beach because he was not a power forward and thats what riley wanted him to be and he actually still gave solid production. I think they should trade williams for a good young center because thats the only piece they are really missing in my opinion.
I see Beasley as low risk, high reward.
What's the big risk? He's still on his rookie contract. If he sucks or causes problems, you just dump him
He does seem to be lacking in maturity / motivation right now. Any non-contending team should definitely look to acquire him on the cheap (and anthony randolph as well).
He doesn't play good D right now, but same can be said for many other scoring forwards. He's still young and talented enough that he could get better in this area.
Drafting Derrick Williams was a good idea. Best player available. I like Kanter a lot, but he's a bit more of a question mark.
I think B-Easy is valuable and could be a good player as a second/third option. With the current roster for the Wolves, everyone knows they need to get rid of players who play the same position and try to bolster up their 2guard and center position. I like mess.eee suggestion because they need some vets who can help out along with the right coach (which is another topic) ... So I began to think, what player can get the most from Beasley? Enter CP3. CP3 needs help down there in NO. This trade works financially and I think it would help both teams IMO espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
David West could very well leave and if he does, the Hornets need scoring badly then. It sucks giving up a center like Emeka but Pekovic is an interesting prospect and could do well with a player like CP3 making it easier. Lets assume that the Hornets resigned West. Lineups would be
CP3 - Ariza - Beasley - West - Pekovic with Webster, Willie Green, Jarret Jack, and Pondexter on the bench. Not a bad lineup and maybe could keep CP3 happy knowing he would have two good scorers to go to.
The Wolves get a good center who blocks shots and can take some of the rebounding load from Love. They can try Williams at the 3 and let him develope and they get a great shooter in Marco Belinelli. For the Wolves, lineup would be something like:
Rubio - Belinelli - Williams - Love - Okafor with Wes Johnson, Ridnour, Darko, Anthony Randolph and the rest of the Wolves. This isn't a playoff team but they would be competitive and probably get 30 wins.
with the cap room the wolves had they can get alot of players. There aren't many fair trades in the league teams handel their bussiness for the last 3 years the wolves have been in multi team trades because they cap if you have a chance to move a huge contract and just for a young talent in beasly you will even if it doesnt pan out you moved a huge contract.
Beasley just needs to find the right situation. He has the potential to be an amazing #2 option on a championship contending team, and is a #1 on a bad team (like the Twolves.) To say he is low risk is not true though. Although I have never met the dude, he clearly is not 100% right in the head, and that could lead to a disruption in the locker room. A contending team does not need that BS.
I honestly think the Spurs should take a look at him. If anyone can keep Super Beas straight, it's Tim Duncan, Pops, and the rest of that old ass crew.
For Beasley to reach his potential, he'll need to be on a team with a playmaking pg and a defensive center who can also rebound. "I May Be BASED" had a good idea with him going to N.O., especially if the TWOLVES would Okafor contracts. Knowing that the league owns the Hornets, they'll jump atthe opportunity to get rid of that huge contract.
Another team/trade that can be beneficial to both teams is moving Beasley to Phoenix. Phoenix were rumored to be offering Center Robin Lopez during the draft. I think Beasley for Lopez straight up will make lots of sense for both teams. Lopez is an athletic big (for a 7 footer) with some potential who can start at Center for the TWoles.
Caron Butler for Michael Beasley straight up.
As far as B Easys trade value I think if he were traded stright up he would net the wolves a draft pick anywhere between picks 15 and 30, or if he were traded for a player it would be for a solid vet who has limitations i.e. Carlos Delfino, Jeff Green, Tyrus Thomas, JJ Reddick calibur players. I honestly see Beasley becoming a 2nd or 3rd option starter at the 3 spot who plays very little defense and needs a solid defense frontcourt and play making pg to make up for his defencies, however in that role he could be very effective and have a very productive NBA career. Beasley's is another one of those guys though who has a lot of talent but lacks the attitude, work ethic and basketball IQ to become a high level starter who takes very little from the team in order to effectively produce.
I question his work ethic. We were talking about a player here, cant remember who it was, but we said he was a naturally gifted player and sometimes because the game comes easy to those types, they dont work as hard to improve or get better...oh, now I remember...Lebron...lol. Beasley seems the same way to me, immensely talented. What has surprised me the most is he just has not been the rebounder I thought he would be. Not sure why, maybe laziness? He hasnt really improved. He will always be a scorer, so yeah, get him away from a ball dominant player like Wade and put him on a sucky team and his scoring will rise. He is low risk, but with not much improvement in his game I dont see him as being high reward unless the situation is right. First of all, he is not a 1st option player right now, if he can accept his role on a good team, he is probably a 3rd option type guy like Deng. Unless his rebounding and defense improves, I dont even see him as being a 2nd option type on a decent team. I am not a huge Derrick Williams fan, I dont see his talent being near Beasley's....but, the difference may be in character. Williams has a lot of heart and seems to want to work hard and keep his nose clean. He is confident, and I think because he is somewhat just discovering how good he is, as opposed to Beasley being highly regarded from his HS days...he has the desire to be better. I can see Beasley getting bounced around a lot until he finds the part of his game that can truly be an asset. Right now, he still has some improving to do....so good teams may shy away as where bad teams will truly covet him because of what he can bring to the table immediately.
Count me in as those who would not trade Beasley yet. As good as Williams was in college, Beasley did everything better as a freshman than Williams did as a soph, so you just never know. Williams was barely a blip on the lottery radar going into his sophomore season, while Beasley spent his freshmen season ranked between 1 and 2. That tells you the talent level is actually pretty distant between the two. So how did Williams end up going 2nd? It was a "perfect storm" of factors that include:
-three of the probable top 6 picks going back to school with the approaching lockout (Sully, Barnes, Jones), and the draft was considered weak even before this happened.
-the top 2 big men being declared inelgible or having messy buyouts (Kanter, JV)
-one superb game in the spotlight against Duke
Minny gets: Biedrins and Dorrel Wright
Warriors get: Beasley and Webster
Rubio - Johnson - Williams - Love - Biedrins
Ridnour - Lee - Wright - Randolph - Miller
Curry - Ellis - Thompson - Beasley - Lee
Lin - Webster - Williams - Udoh - Tyler
"Williams was barely a blip on the lottery radar going into his sophomore season, while Beasley spent his freshmen season ranked between 1 and 2. That tells you the talent level is actually pretty distant between the two."
I disagree. It tells you one or more of the following things...
1. The so called "experts" we're sleeping on Williams.
2. Williams has a strong work ethic and took the opportunity to star at Arizona seriously.
3. Beasley had an amazing year...1 year though...little history...little translation of his game to the NBA in 3 seasons other than scoring ability.
4. Williams is continuing to improve.
If you are judging player's talent level by their draft rank and college production...that is clearly not always the answer. Look back at history...we have had plenty of "Busts" and plenty of "Sleepers".
Give me the guy with a great head on his shoulders who possesses leadership skills, a strong physical frame, some defensive attributes, work ethic, and a passion/love for the game.
I agree totally, and you said a lot of things that I tried to say but more clearly. Beasley is super talented, but his progression seems stalled. Williams is on the rise because he was shunned coming out of high school, he has really worked hard to improve his game. I wouldnt say anyone should give up on Beasley, but him leaving Minny may be a forgone conclusion, the when and the where to has just not been decided. I just dont see his trade value as being high because he is below average in everything but scoring....not to mention his focus is in question.
One of the best quotes I've heard came from Mike Beasley "It's just basketball, I've been doing this since I was a little kid." His ENTIRE time in the league he hasn't been able to just go out and play basketball. First off, the Heat wanted D. Rose sooooooooooo bad instead of Mike. They ridiculed him before they actually drafted him. When they got him you hear Wade, Riley, and Spolestra go on air and say ish about his childish ways, he needs to play hard.... When have ANY team say that about a top 2 pick? That's crazy... And when he gets there he only plays 15 minutes a game and the coach is on his a$$$$$$ the entire time about every mistake. How are you gonna get better as a young player if you can't play thru your mistakes? Them trading him to another team for 2nd rounders were about money not status. 1st rounders = gaurenteed money that is deducted from your teams salary regardless. Yall need to do your homework. Him going to Minny with increased playing time and being free to PLAY he average what 22? Great year for him, then they draft D. Williams... LOL... That man just can't catch a break...
I will say that his troubles off the court has some teams worried BUT those troubles are more like Dennis the Menace. Its just been overstated and over blown for no F'in reason. Speeding and smoking weed? Really? That's terrible?
It's true... Beasley wasn't Miami's first option. They wanted Rose. Even thought about taking Mayo. There was a lot of concern about Beasley's childish/immature ways and him being in South Beach. Turned out, those concerns were legit. He's had several off of the court issues since being in the league. You can't blame anybody for those, but him. He's immature... And he's the type of immature that seems like he'll never just "get it" 100%.
Miami held Beasley accountable. Yea, that's CRAZY! They asked him to defend and rotate. They asked him to block out and rebound. They asked him to at least focus and improve doing the simple things. They wanted him to learn how to play winning basketball. Yea... That's just the craziest thing I've ever heard.
Beasley wasn't held accountable for missing rotations in Minnesota. He wasn't held accountable for not being a good team defender. He wasn't held accountable for his shot selection. He wasn't held accountable for not rebounding. Instead, he was giving the green light and he put up some points on a miserable team in the process. IF you call that having a great season, then I don't know what to tell you.
Smoking weed isn't terrible. I enjoy it and I will never criticize people for smoking weed. I think the fact that the government regulates a natural growing plant is beyond crazy, esp. when weed is not the killer...that my friends is alcohol, something that society has advocated since its introduction to society. I'd much rather have my son or daughter smoking weed than getting drunk on the reg.
The "terrible" thing is when you allow marijuana, drugs, alcohol, or anything you indulge in to the extreme to affect you life to the point where you become lazy and focus more on getting high than anything else in your life. Especially something you have strived to achieve in such as becoming a successful NBA player.
People need to stop giving Beasley excuses.
Heres my prediction:
Beasley is the same exact chucker hes been since he was probably 13. He commits stupid turnovers, zones out on D, and fails in his attempts to be the man (which the team suffers through). He has occasional big scoring games (on huge FGA and low FTA) and people will claim hes an alpha scorer. He has at least 1, but possibly multiple off court incidents. He complains about something (playing time, not getting touches) once the team starts to move away from him.
And stupid fans will defend him and be unable to see who he is. Then once hes gone, nobody will miss him or care because the T-Wolves will be winning without him.
Alcohol is a bigger killer, but Marijuana (THC) isn't good for you either. It's impact on your brain's chemical balance isn't good. IF you smoke enough of it, you're at a greater risk of having a mental illness like schizophrenia, etc. I've seen that happen first hand. My uncle smoked it his whole life (grew his own weed and everything) and one day he smoked a joint like normal and started hallucinating. He started hearing things. Seeing things. Thought everything applied to him like things on tv and other peoples' conversations. He thought he was just on a crazy high, but it lasted for weeks. He was scared out of his mind. Eventually went to a mental hospital and was diagnosed with mild schizophrenia. Has to take medicine for the rest of his life. No cure for it, but the medicine controls the symptoms. Anything that messes with the chemical balance of your brain or body in a negative or harmful type of way isn't good!
You do realize schizophrenia is a risk that is developed overtime regardless of if you smoke weed right?
Smoking weed is fine. Its is when you do it in abundance that it causes trouble. Just like if you eat in abundance you probably are gonna end up obese. Everything needs to be done in proportion. And as for marijuana being hallunicogenic...have you ever even tried it or are you going off your friends who think they are hallucinating &$#%#&@! when they are high. You don't hallunicate when you are high.
Tell your friend to find out if his stuff may have been laced with PCP b/c that is out of sorts for a marijuana high. Is he possibly doing K2? Marijuana is not in the hallucinogenic drug category.
It also is great for people with depression, arthritis, glycoma and many other medical issues.
Yes i do use marijuana, but not in excess. I have studied drugs and taken many classes on the effects so I know what I am talking about.
I think you need new sources.
Have you ever tried it? If so, have you ever hallucinated? Have you ever hallucinated before? How does that rank in comparison b/c it isn't nearly on the same level as a marijuana high. Two totally different things.
I respect you but I don't think you know the truth behind marjiuana's effects based on what you have stated thus far.
Are you sure you uncle wasn't using other substances or possibly growing senial due to his age? Blaming marijuana is any easy excuse in many people's eyes. Particularly conservative republicans who have never tried the substance in their life and think they know everything.
I will correct myself...
I guess in extreme cases you could possibly hallucinate in part due to smoking weed. But one joint certainly isn't gonna do that.
And I think you need to read better.
IF you read my post again, you'll see that I never wrote that marijuana *caused* schizophrenia. What I wrote was that it could put you at a greater risk of getting it if you smoked it enough. I mean, if you won't take my word for it... Just search the web. The information is there.
I also never said marijuana was necesarily in the hullicinogen drug group... But for you to be such a "know it all" about marijuana, how can you not know that marijuana can also cause symptoms of psychosis? Paranoia and *hallucinations* are symptoms of paranoia the last time I checked! But you can research that too if you want Mr. Know It All.
I never wrote I had anything against people who smoke weed. I mean, smoke away. It's just funny to me that a lot of people that smoke weed have a similar quality. They all jump up and get defensive whenever someone says something lol.
And once again you don't read... I never said *one* joint did. I wrote, not even one sentence above, the man had smoked marijuana his whole life.
Once again... I never said marijuana caused schizophrenia. I just said it can put certain individuals at a greater risk of getting it if they smoke it enough. Look at it as that final "spark" that causes that switch to flip.
I think you need to read better as well and stop being hypocritical b/c i never stated that you said it caused schizophrenia.
* I meant one joint a day...i should have been more clearer and even tried to edit the post. I am on top of that.
And you can look it up anywhere that Marijuana is not proven by any means to be hallucinogenic. Hallucinations and paranoia are not the same thing. Very few cases are there in which one would interpret the marijuana high to be that of a hallucination. I have never personally hallucinated from marijuana, nor has anyone i have ever spoken to or smoked with.
People need to know what they are buying before they smoke it. In your uncle's cases, this probably does not apply as you said he grew his own stuff (see i can read). But while it may have contributed slightly to his schizophrenia, I think he was probably at a high risk before that. Elderly people tend to develop mental illness overtime.
Also I never said I know it all, but this is one area that I do feel I have extensive knowledge in and am not ashamed to say I do, as I have studied it.
Your extensive knowledge may be around indiana basketball and I wouldn't put up a fight with you over that. I'm just telling you what I know and my experience with it, which I think may be greater than yours. I may be wrong but that is the impression I get based off the post.
I'm not trying to start a war over this with you. Hell I mentioned my respect for you and think you are a solid poster. But to go after me as a "know it all"...no need for name calling.
"You do realize schizophrenia is a risk that is developed overtime regardless of if you smoke weed right?"
I read well. I took that statement as if you were trying to imply that I said weed caused schizophrenia. I mean, I don't know how else I was supposed to take that.
Yea... You should've been more clear.
And I don't know how much clearer I can make this... I mean, just search it. Marijuana has been known to cause symptoms of psychosis. I mean, just look it up. And then look up what the symptoms of pyschosis are. Like I said, paranoia and hallucinations are two of the most common symptoms. You yourself just said above that you don't abuse it, so maybe that is why you haven't experienced this. I wrote my uncle smoked it his whole life. He abused it.
And you're a funny dude talking about you can read in regard to my uncle growing his own stuff. You obviously can't read because you wrote these two statements in your above post:
"Tell your friend (<=== I said it was my uncle... I thought you read?) to find out if his stuff may have been laced with PCP b/c that is out of sorts for a marijuana high. Is he possibly doing K2? Marijuana is not in the hallucinogenic drug category."
"Are you sure you uncle wasn't using other substances..."
And my uncle wasn't that old when he caught it (in his 30's). He obviously had to be at risk, since marijuana alone doesn't cause schizophrenia. However, my whole point was that nobody really knows what's in their bodies. You don't know if you're high risk or not (unless you know for a fact you have a family history of it). It's not a guarantee that you'll catch it. However, there are substances you can do that'll spark it to come out. That was my whole point.
i felt the wolves shouldve drafted kanter
I will agree with you to some extent.
Personally I feel marijuana is not for everyone. Its great for some people, other's can use it accordingly, and there are other people who really shouldn't be using it at all. But the same can be said for most drugs and other substances.
And yea I never said you said it caused schizophrenia. All I'm saying is that age and other developments are major players in the development of psychosis or schizophrenia. So there...thats another way you could have taken it instead of hoping onto one side of the argument or the other...there are shades of gray.
And yea dude I made one mistake saying it was your friend instead of your uncle...SORRY. Big &$#%#&@! whoop. And some people are friends with their uncles so maybe you could have considered that instead of having to take such as small piece of what I stated and rip that apart to make yourself feel better.
And so we can agree on one thing...your uncle abused marijuana and it f'd up his life. That is what I am saying, abuse is a difficult thing to decipher. Beasley is smoking weed, but whose to say for a fact that he is in fact abusing it? Sure signs point to it as it probably is affecting his life to the extreme. But to say Beasely has all the talent in the world, and only if he didn't smoke weed he'd become a much better player is here nor there. Weed isn't the be all end all to Beasley's career. Other than smoking weed, he is also still very young and acts even younger and just seems lazy in general...not a good combination for a NBA player. Laziness is not a direct component of marijuana use mind you. I bust my ass everyday @ work and school and I can still enjoy some grass. Derrick Williams has just as much talent as he does IMO and he has a willingness to discover that talent and utilize it to its fullest. Thats what this was about.
Does your uncle ever get viloent outbursts? Just curious, because I also have a relative that has schizophrenia, and it happens to them. It wasn't caused by drugs though.
My uncle doesn't have any violent outburts, but his is crazy...
He's a religious man, so he halluciates about spiritual things. He sees demons on peoples' faces. Thinks the devil is trying to steal his soul. Thinks people are trying to kill him. His paranoia is too the max. And he thinks people can read his thoughts. Thinks everything applies to him. It's crazy. He's a christian and believes in God, the bible, etc... Imagine how confusing it is that he's hallucinating, but about things he considers real at the same time.
He's fine though, as long as he takes his medicine. The medicine has side effects though, so he hates to take it. The thing is though that everytime you stop taking it and the symptoms come back, you get less and less of your mind back each time. Like you may get 100% back the first couple of times, but then that percentage starts going down. It's sad man... It's tough on a family to deal with. Medicine can only control the symptoms... Not cure it. And what's even more sad is that research shows that a person with schizophrenia suffers brain shrinkage over time.
Yeah it's tough.
My older sis has it. It started developing when she first got to college (the most common age for it). My family has taken her to a medical institute three different times, and she returned home when they said it was okay for her to come back.
I think hers is different though. I can't really explain it, but it like everything is different to her. She usually doesn't like to eat. We have to force her to eat, and it's really tiring. Sometimes she can even start getting violent if she doesn't take her medicine. If we didn't feed her, I think she would let herself starve to death. And she usually stays in bed most of the day until someone wakes her up.
She still likes listening to music and watching TV, but it's really sad.
Tough isn't even the word... I definitely can feel your pain. The best thing you can do is always be positive and not let the situation get you down. You have to be happy and live the max out of your life regardless.
There have been times my uncle didn't eat nor sleep for at least a week during an episode. It's crazy. It's scary as well.
There are definitely different levels of it and it just varies based on that person's life. It's hit close to home for me because my mom has been trying to help my uncle. She's had to send him to the psychiatric hospital twice just because he wasn't listening to her, was leaving randomly, didn't want to take his medicine, etc. She was afraid he was going to get hurt or get into some type of trouble.
The one thing I've learned is that schizophrenia is all about confusion. The brain has some sort of chemical inbalance and things are cloudy/confusing for them. And the crazy thing is, it's 100% real for them. Like they really believe it. If your sister is getting violent, it's probably because she feels threatened in her mind. This one time my uncle did get violent towards one of my mom's friends. I guess my uncle thought the guy was trying to get him and he told my mom, "IF you let him in, I'm going to bust him in the f'n head!"
Another thing I've learned is just to appreciate your life man. Be grateful. I mean, there are people like your sister who had no control over whether that got this or not. I mean, we can't control what's in our genes... Can't control what inbalances we have in our minds or body. My doctor told me that he thought the blood clot I caught in my calf after surgery was due to an inbalance that was already there... The surgery is just what sparked it. It blew my mind to think that I could have an inbalance due to something as simple as my mom taking birth control before she got pregnant with me. You realize just how delicate our mind is and our bodies are in general. Why do anything extra that'll cause un-needed damage? I mean, we already have enough things that could go wrong as it is.
Yes it is crazy to expect the world from a rookie. KOBE doesn't even close out majority of the time, Pau Gasol sucks at rotating, and Amare's pick and roll defense is the worst I've seen, EVER. So, to expect that from a 19 year old rookie is ridiculous. The problem was they tried to make a Top pick into a roll player his rookie year. I'm not denying that he's immature as far as care free and playful, but they knocked the kid before he entered their facilities. And the weed comment, damn near EVERYONE in the league smokes weed. What you think these fools are doing now during the lock out? F'ing Jordan smoked weed, shut up on that notion.
And yes it was a great season for him, he was a 3 for majority of his time on the floor. Averaging around 6 boards a game, which if you check the stats genius that's the league average for starting SF's. Him putting up shots on a terrible team means NOTHING? Well I guess, Blake Griffin, Kevin Love (teammate), Brandon Jennings, Tyreke Evans, John Wall etc. get meaningless stats too huh? This was his first year to JUST PLAY and not worry, 20 n 6 as a 3 man is pretty damn good in my book... People like you get memorized into what ESPN/Media gives you and not have a mind of your own. How many times you think Kobe or LeBron was stopped for speeding? I'll be willing to bet they never received one ticket. Mike got busted majority of the time for being a dumb a$$$$. The ish goes on everywhere throughout the league you just don't hear about it. Stop being a pawn to their propaganda.
I still feel like the difference between an average player and good player is opportunity. If some players had the ability to just go out and play their game like others in their class then they would be just as good as them. Prime examples, Bassy and Bayless. Some players are just lucky, Wall, Westbrook, and Evans. No matter how many turnovers they have as rookies they still was gonna play. It's just life I guess.
End point, leave that man alone, it's called "hatred", only thing he is trying to do is play ball. I respect that 10X more than someone faking it.
First... I definitely have my own mind and am not a pawn. Get that right. And let's kill that "shut up" ish immediately.
They expected "the world" from him? Come on... That's to the extreme. KOBE, Pau Gasol and Stoudemire? You're talking about established NBA superstars and All-Stars Tuck... Three of the best players in the world. NBA veterans who've paid their dues. Beasley was just a rookie... And there are plenty of players who smoke weed during the off-season, but Beasley was one of the dumb ones to get caught... He got caught smoking during rookie orientation... I mean, that's just dumb. He came into the league with an extreme rep of being immature (even for his age) and he's done nothing to prove anybody wrong.
It's all about the situation. Beasley was drafted to a veteran team with strong personalities around the team and organization. They were trying to make the playoffs and already had a superstar. Evan Turner was in a somewhat similar situation last season. He wasn't given the green light or allowed to dominate the ball like he did at Ohio State. He was somewhat of a tweener. There's no doubt he could've put up greater stats on a lesser team if he was just given the ball. However, either he could sit there and complain/pout about how John Wall had more of opportunity, etc or he could do whatever it took to get on the floor. He made strides during the season at the defensive end, playing without the ball, knowing when to catch and shoot or put the ball on the floor, etc. Eventually his time is going to come and when it does, he'll be a complete player who knows how to play winning basketball.
And while in college, Beasley was a great rebounder. That was suppsed to translate over to the league and it hasn't. He's a combo forward. He should be averaging more than 6. He was actually a better rebounder while with Miami.
I also never wrote last season meant nothing. I wrote it wasn't a "GREAT" season. I mean, it wasn't like he improved in any areas. I don't think anybody doubted he could put up offensive stats if given the green light. However, I saw the same problems he had in Miami. And it's not hard to just use the eye test and tell the difference between a player who needs more help around him and a player who's just putting up stats on a bad team. Even LeBron was on a bad team once because he had nothing around him. Durant was too. I mean, it's not THAT difficult to sniff out the LeBron's, KG's, Durant's, Griffin's, etc from the Beasley's, Kevin Martin's, Ricky Davis', etc.
Like I said above, timing and situation have a lot to do with it, but I feel like great players will step up to the front regardless majority of the time. I feel that great players will make their own breaks. Eventually, they're going to stand out and take their opportunity.
And hatred? I don't see how... Just pointing out legit criticisms of Beasley just like any other player. I mean, personally... I hope he does well and reaches max potential. I don't wish bad on anyone. As a fan of the game, I'm just not a believer in his game nor what he brings to the table.
I had like a page worth of material for you and my laptop wanted to restart. SMFH... I refuse to write it again. You won for the time being Mate.... LOL
wow, did this conversation take a tangent!
1) Recent studies show that marajuana increases the risk of psychosis. HOWEVER it's quite possible that a large part of it is just correlation. (i.e. do marajuana users have a higher rate of psychosis, or do people who will develop psychosis have a higher rate of using marajuana?). I have tons of friends that smoke, and I'm cool with it. I don't do it personally because I want to be as healthy as possible, but I think drinking is much more detrimental than smoking.
2) Beasley didn't start in the best situation. They didn't show much confidence in him in Miami. However, there is no excuse for his lack of motivation and hard work on the court. He's still very young though, and has a lot of talent. There is a decent chance that he figures it out.
Sidenote: @Indiana, Agree with what you're saying in general. but I don't know how you can say "Beasley, Kevin Martin, Ricky Davis"... Kevin Martin works his butt off. He's an incredibly efficient scorer. It's not like he's an athletic beast. I think he does the most with what he has.
Beasley would potentially be a low risk high upside trade target for a lot of clubs but with his issues off court I would love to see say how many contending teams would give up a mid to late first rounder for him.
I do like the NOH option as it might give CP3 a 20ppg running mate but if you send Okafor to the T-Wolves and we assume that David West moves on if Beasley comes in then I could not see CP3 remaining there after next season.
With Beasley's issues I could also see a lot of younger teams not wanting him on their roster as they look to develop as a team.
Other players like Zach Randolph for example has gone from being a locker room problem to the leading scorer on a play off team so Beasley could turn his career around in the right situation.
Thing is Beasley has never been a locker room problem.
He's been caught with weed and has just been labeled a lazy player. But, people treat him like a team cancer or a criminal when he really hasn't done anything worse than blaze up and not live up to his hype coming out of college.
I honestly don't understand how people have given up on him so quickly... He is a truly gifted scorer... while he may be a chucker but jeez the guy is only 22 years old i can easily forgive him for that. especially since he shot 36% 3p and 45% fg over the last year on a broken offense with no effective leadership or pg play... so most of his points came on him creating by himself. anyone who watched the wolves last year can recognize that. so i think instead of downgrading his performance i'd say that if this is what he can do by himself then imagine what he can do with a cohesive group surrounding him... I'd say the best is definitely still to come, the guy can play..... i know this may not be a popular opinion...