Yea, but the NBA is different then when the Bulls built a title team.
I wanted OKC to grab DeMarcus Cousins all coming up to the draft. Now, he'd be a great fit down low. If your OKC, you just want a center. I think Ibaka is good as a PF and should improve more down the road. Now that I think about it, Murphy is a great fit. He won't cost much, he can score a bit and he rebounds. If you can get him for cheap (Which I think you will because NJ isn't looking to keep him) and go into the playoffs with
I think there's a chance they could make it to the finals.
Yep...why exactly can't they be when they are the fourth best team right now while there best players are still not in there prime.
How good were the Suns with there best two players being worst defenders then Green? ( Nash and Amare) how good of a team are the lakers with Fisher as a bad defender or some of the past Laker teams when there other options weren't very good defenders? Lets go with some facts here because all i hear is what might happen in the future, lets go with what we know for sure up to this point and future
We do know
The Spurs are getting older same with the Lakers,Dallas,Bos,
We do know that the Thunder are the fourth seed and have gotten better every year with Green and his so called horrible defense
We do Know that None of there top 5 players are in there Prime and there top 2 are 3 years away from even beginning there prime years
We do know they are the youngest Playoff team and There top two players are much younger then any other teams top two players that are playoff contenders)
People wanna make trades that they THINK MIGHT make them better even though no realistic trade for Green will make them a title contender)
People are saying what these other teams that are bad right now MIGHT be in the future.
People name these PF that Green cant check but dont realize that no other PF can check these guys y'all are naming either.
People keep thinking one bad defender will make OKC so bad even though that same guy has been on the team as they have gotten soooooo much better every year and people are forgetting it takes team defense to win not individual.
Blake,Millsap,Lamarcus Scola none of those guys are on teams that are anywhere near close to being title contenders and Utah will Millsap is a worst rebounding team and Millsap is just as bad or worst defender then Green and he isn't as versatile.
OKC should do what they have been doing ( oh look what they have been doing has worked go figure) Keep green unless some trade comes along that they can't refuse and keep him as you're starter and or move him to the bench to be a sixth man ala Lamar Odom
See that makes sense get Murphy without trading Green. Thing is that's still not a finals team. They are not close to being a finals team right now even with that team they are not better than Dallas,Lakers,Spurs. It takes more than talent to get to the finals. Takes experience and playoff battles. Its not as easy as just getting this or that player Unless you get a bunch of great battle tested guys like the Celtics did.
You keep hold of Green,Durant,WestBrook,Ibaka and listen to offers for everyone else. You dont go looking to trade those guys but you listen to offers. And you Trade Green if you get a offer you can't refuse. Troy murphy ,Kaman,Nene are not offers you can't refuse
Jeff Green will never be on Lamar Odom's level, why? Because he doesn't rebound and can't defend at even Odom's level.
Yes most players can't check the guys i mentioned, but they go ballistic againt Green, Randolph got 20 rebounds on Green, and about 30+ points for example, theres a difference to being able to defend to the players average and them going ballistic and torching you. Green gets torched by the top PF's in the game, they can't put Ibaka on them, who is a good post defender, because Green can't defend anybody in the paint, he doesn't rebound, he doesn't hustle, he doesn't have the length or height required to bother the good PF's. For example, Gasol's tip in to beat the Thunder in the playoffs, Green didn't box him out, and he didn't have the length to even contest for that rebound. He is a SF, if they keep him they'll turn out like the Suns and be good and never win a championship.
OKC has gotten that much better this year believe it or not, they have taken a massive step back defensively, Westbrook and Durant's improvement is the major reason they are 4th. Green has really shown much improvement at all. OKC will be a good team, i'm not denying that. But they won't be a legit contender with a SF playing PF that can't rebound, nor really hustles for the boards.
Green doesn't need to show much improvement since as a team they have gotten better. You say they haven't improved much from last year. where were they at at this point last season? And Durant defense has been just as bad as Greens this year. Also you want to talk about Ballistic, lets look into that
Lamarcus Aldridge gave up 20 reb to Zach Randolph as well and gives up a average of 17 reb a game to Love
Josh Smith gave up 19 reb to Zach Randolph.
See the thing is ZAch can get those numbers on good or bad defenders so its not really that big of a deal
Also check how how many PG these so called better defenders/PF give up compared to Green. You might be pretty surprised as to who plays the same level of defense or worst
And i dont think anyone said Green is as or will be as good as Odom( although you nor I know how good he will be since we cant predict the future) And y'all say " you can't win with Green as you're PF" yet no one has come up with a realistic trade where OKC can trade Green for someone who will score as much, Rebound better, Defend better, same or better range so the lane can still be open for Durant and Westbrook to drive.
Durant and Westbrook are 22 in three years Dallas,Lakers,Spurs will not be as good as they are right now most likely right?...Durant,Westbrook,Ibaka,Green will be more mature better players. So if healthy why won't they be legit contenders? Don't give me some maybe answer like " well this team and trade for this player and blah blah blah" it can happen but we don't know. what we do know if these older teams wont be as good with there current roster.
I bet some of y'all are the same people who said the spurs should have traded Tony parker before the year started so Hill could start.
How about this deal?
James Harden, Jeff Green, 2012 OKC 1st rounder, 2012 LAC 1st rounder and 3 mil cash for Andrew Bogut?
LaMarcus Aldridge and Josh Smith are the greatest defenders either you know. So that argument is flawed.
Darko Milicic believe it or not could be a good fit if he proves he can be consistent. He protects the paint, has good offensive touch, just needs to make more effort on D, which he is quite capable when he does make an effort. Whether they want Jeff Green is another story, maybe a 3 team trade, Cleveland needs a SF.
Why do you keep thinking Jeff Green is going to get it done for them? They need a low post scorer, does Green fit the bill? Can he defend good PF's? Does he rebound? All those things are needed for OKC. Ibaka is a PF, not a C. Ibaka rebounds, he can defend the good PF's when Green is on the bench. He just isn't the low post scorer. Which is 1 reason why Green needs to go.
@ Knicksboy, that would be an awesome trade for OKC, but i can't see the Bucks giving up just yet. Bogut is their MVP.
Name the top defenders int he NBA at the PF position and ill Name you a guy who went to work against them.
Are you serious???..Trade Jeff Green for Darko who is playing the way he is playing on one of the worst teams in the NBA????
Why isn't Ibaka a center? Is Javell Mcgee a center?..Or other centers who he has played better than this year?
Darko is a 7ft guy who averages 9ppg and 5 reb on a bad team...yeah that trade makes perfect sense
you know Tyson chandler had 18 reb against darko? Brendon Haywood averges 10
For Bogut???? Hell yeah you make that trade. But The Bucks wouldn't...See thats what im talking about a realistic trade that OKC would do for Green. not one for Darko..lol
Re-read what i said about Darko before you shoot your mouth off. Ibaka isn't a C, he doesn't posess the strength required to defend good C's, he's better suited to the PF, where is athletiscm would be better utalised. Javale McGee is a centre, but i don't see what this has to do with anything.
Because he has defended the Center position better than McGee and other Centers who have the so called strength required to defend it. If you can play defense at a position and do well on offense then you can play that position. doesn't matter if you are bigger shorter stronger or weaker. You don't have to be the strongest to play Center or PF Some of the best at the position werent the biggest or strongest And there aren't alot of dominate centers in the NBA so more PF sized players can play center
and quit wit the fake tough guy talk " before you shoot you're mouth off " really
wheres the fake tough guy, you completely misread what i said, if your going to put down someone's points, at least properly read it.
Ibaka does defend the C well, everybody knows that, but he defends the PF better, with his athletiscm, he would create problems for guys like Griffin, Love etc. But when he defends the C, the only problems he has to encounter are the like of Howard, who he stands no chance, not strong enough. However, Darko, does possess the strength and athletiscm to defend Howard, now i'm not saying he can defend him, i'm just saying he possesses the tools required to defend Howard. If Brooks got him to focus defensively and keep the paint in lockdown, it makes OKC a better defensive team. Yes it would be a massive gamble, but with big risk comes big reward.
Darko is a back up on a good team and a starter on a bad team. I'd take Ibaka over him any day of the week. The up side for that trade is wayyyy to small to risk it. You make risk when you have a good/great upside. Darko hasn't proven anything what so ever to warrant being traded for a player as good as Green. He is barley a starter on one of the worst teams in the NBA
Are the Spurs a title contending team with 6'7 Dejuan Blair starting at Center averaging 7ppg and 6reb? His defense also isn't that great by the way
He hasn't showed anything? Have you been watching Darko or just going by the deserved hate on his name from previous seasons. He has showed good offensive touch, good array of post moves, he has shown he can rebound the ball, he is one of the top shot blockers in the league, he has the strength and athletiscm to be a very good post defender. He has put all this together in a few games, but his focus lets him down. I would too take Ibaka over him at the moment, but i'm talking about Jeff Green and his ability to defend the post players, even Darko when focused does this better. He is a better rebounder, he protects the paint, he defends post players better when focused, has a better post up game.
Jeff Green hasn't showed anything that says he is more then a good 2nd option on a bad team, he has a terrible shooting percentage, doesn't defend post players well, doesn't rebound the ball, and OKC is a bad rebounding team, and don't give me that 10th in the league crap, they play at a fast pace.
Are you really using DaJuan Blair as a comparison? He has unmatched strength by even C standards (exception of Howard and Shaq), he his nimble feet, he is quite athletic, and he REBOUNDS.
Numbers don't lie. He only gets 7 reb a game
Ive watched DArko..Are you just going by the Good games he has had or the whole Season?.. 9ppg and 5reb a game on a very bad team tells you alot . Tells you for every very good game he has he has double as many bad games scoring wise which shows by him not able to average double figures. Jeff Green is wayyy better. Darko has shown he is a bench player on a Good team. He has already proven that. His game hasn't changed he just plays alot and doesn't have anyone better to replace hgim. You put a bench player on one of the worst teams int he NBA and chances are his numbers will get better and he will look better. Put him on a team where there are big guys who are just as good as he is and you see how good he really is( or in Darko's case how bad)
Once again what does being strong have to do with it?..Plenty of strong guys sit on the bench in favor of a guy who isn't as strong but they are better players. Give me a skilled skinny guy over a Strong guy who isn't as skilled anyday of the week
And the Issue wasn't Greens strength it was his defense and rebounding. Blair for all his strength and rebounding is still one of the worst starting centers/power forwards at rebounding and scoring
Yet again you completely mis-read what i said. Did i say Darko was better then jeff Green? Didn't i say Darko's focus is his letdown? Until you start reading what people say properly your argument is going nowhere. Being strong has a lot to do with it in OKC case. They need inside strength, that's what is between them being good and elite. Jeff Green and Ibaka front-court is a better skilled frontcourt, yes. But a Darko and Ibaka frontcourt is a better defensive frontcourt, better rebounding frontcourt, better inside scoring front court.
Jeff Green can't defend inside post players, OKC can't become elite until they start playing defense on the post players.