Man this team (Thunder) Need a PF/C that is at least 6'10. (Troy Murphy, Hell Buck Williams, My Uncle Leroy can still rebound & he's 51 but he's only 6'8) the same size as J.Green. The GM has to make a trade
Just being 6'10 isnt gonna do it. They will have to be 6'10 and at least a notch below Allstar level and young. Anyone like that available?
Troy Murphy is interesting, but if your OKC, you kinda want to keep Green, Durant and Westbrook around as a solid 3, even if Green is the 6th man.
I suggest Robin Lopez. The Thunder can pair him next to Ibaka and have a strong front line and they would probably only have to give up James Harden for him.
Harden, Kristic and a future 1st for Hill and Lopez?
Troy Murphey doesn't cut it at all. He isn't a Good enough defender. Dont really need a rebounder since they are one of the better rebounding teams int he NBa ( better than Utah, Spurs and Celtics)
OKC lost because they couldn't secure a single rebound late. On all the defensive possessions and free throw attempts, Scott Brooks had Green in instead of Ibaka. WTF? On the key play of the game, Mike freaking Miller skied over Green because he couldn't box him out.
Lopez isn't worth Harden... lol he's averaging 3 rebounds a game...
What they really need is to move Green to the bench, start Serge Ibaka at power forward.. and look for a big man that can score down low. I wonder what Greg Oden is available for...
lol..Greg Oden can't stay healthy and he gets what 11 ppg? Lopez would be a downgrade. Like i said rebounding isn't the problem with this team since they are a very good rebounding team. Green wasn't the reason they lost, there were many reasons, Bad shots by Westbrook and Durant helped them lose that game much more. Game's are lost during the game and Green played very well ( 23pts 11reb) matter of fact he played better than anyone else on the team this game
^^^^^ how is 21st in the league good in rebounding. look @ the numbers, they lost to the lakers in 10 because of rebounding, lost today because of rebounding. in what estimation are they a good rebounding team. Hubie Brown said the same thing i did they can't rebound.I'll look up T.Murphy # from last year & tell you he would be a good rugged rebounder for this team. i think he had # of 14ppg 10rbd.
That was such a hard game to watch because the Lakers won ever 50/50 ball in the final five minutes. I couldn't believe Ibaka played less then ten minutes! What this teams just as much as a inside presence is a consistent third option that can stretch the floor. Westbrook and Durant take the majority of the shots, and when they arent on it really hurts the team if they can't find that other guy to make a shot.
Ibaka over Green?..Hellllll no. I might consider that if they were a bad rebounding team but they aren't or if they were a bad team period ( 4th in the west).and they aren't in there prime years!!!! They dont need major changes. Lakers are getting older and the Spurs are getting older, Utah is imploding and Dallas is getting older. to be honest they dont need to do anything because they are getting better every year. Patience and getting better internally has been there motto and they should stick to it since it has been working
The thing is, Green is not a power forward. He doesn't have the length nor does he have the strength. We all know you need a solid power forward in the west in order to advance in the playoffs and I just don't see him be a solid power forward nor do I see him slowing down any other power forward in west.
Greg Oden can't stay healthy but hey, maybe his injuries are over.. Yes, I know, a very big MAYBE.. And his 11ppg reflect on how low his confidence is because of injuries.. We all saw in college that he is an excellent low post scorer and has show what he can do here and there when healthy and with confidence.
"Westbrook and Durant take the majority of the shots, and when they arent on it really hurts the team if they can't find that other guy to make a shot."
Definitely. They don't really get the ball to Harden when he's open... they only give it to him when it's a bailout and then he doesn't have anything to do with the ball.
OKC should have gone after Gortat. Good size, athleticism, and rebounding skills and he doesn't need touches. Varejao would have been a great pickup if he wasn't injured.
How about Dalembert or Camby? Two good vets who won't take more than one young player and expiring contracts
Time is on there side. All they need is to continue to build as a team and not to listen to people wanting them to make major shake ups to there line ups. Let Westbrook,Durant,Green,Ibaka,Harden build together and get older. They are still ahead of where they thought they would be 2 years ago because they stuck to there slow and steady plan. Learn from the Blazers mistakes of trading players to get better faster( although injuries played a very big part) unless you can make a trade that will make you instant contenders like Boston did. Slow and steady like the Chicago Bulls back in the day
I think Camby or Dalembert would be a perfect fit. Especially Dalembert because he isn't that old (29)
And yes, Gortat would have also been great, but can he actually play more than 25minutes per game? He used to get pretty tired at times while subbing in for Dwight, haven't seen him recently so I'm not sure.
Exactly, thats why when Cook was getting shots today he was making them, and thats when the Thunder jumped out to a decent sized lead. No one can stay in front of Westbrook when the help has to hesitate to rotate, and thats when the Thunder are at their best. I think they just need to get another decent big man to clog the paint, but other then that it on depends on how Harden develops into that third option, or if Jeff Green can turn back into jeff Green of two years ago and start hitting shots.
They were trying to get side show bob. Dalembert is a bad idea. Every team he has been on has said he is a horrible locker room guy ( Even the Canada national team who told him he could not play on there Olympic team). The Thunder are 2 years or more from Contending so why pick up a aging Camby?..What exactly is wrong with the plan that they are going with now?..It has worked perfectly so far and there young player's are still young?
"my uncle leroy"
@ LAKE SHOW
What makes you think in 2 years Green will suddenly morph into a power forward? Or are you counting on Aldrich to develop into that post force?
Staying the course and staying put will make them the Hawks of the West.
I've always thought Green for Kaman would be good for both teams.
What makes you think he won't?..or what makes you think who ever you trade for will make them better?..Gortat? Lopez?..If you gonna trade Green you trade him for a sure thing not a hope. And Green doesn;t need to Morph into a great PF They are 4th in the WEST!!! Westbrook will get older and Better Durant Will get older and better Green will get older and Better. Not even close to the Hawks since Joe Johnson never had the potential of Durant and no one on the Hawks was every considered one of the elite at there position (westbrook). On top of that who will really challenge them int he West with the team they have now when they are in there prime? Lakers older, Spurs Older, Dallas older and they are only 2/3 games behind Dallas and the lakers with there top 3 players not even in there prime years yet ? So what exactly is the rush again? A team like this you make little changes, you trade the lil players and develop the young big guys. You keep Green and Develop. They have gotten remakable better Every year so what logical reason is it to make big changes?
That's a trade i would think about doing maybe. But with Kaman being injured and being older I'd have to think long about it. People are forgetting how young this team is. They are not a title team just yet and they are still developing. Don't wanna try to force them into being better then they can be. Patience is the key( but we all know many fans don't know what that means. they forget this is real life and not NBA 2k11)
heres the problem with that. when does a team have a window to win. meaning there young major players are playing on their 1st contract. KD just reupped, RW has a couple yrs before he gets $ so, strike now go for it. Is Green & Aldrich really the answer?
21st?...i think they are 21st in defense and 10th in rebounding. You sure you read that right?
If they lost because of rebounding today then its not Greens fault because he finished with 11 rebounds. Anyway that wasn't why they lost. You think rebounding had more to do with it then Durant going 7-20 and Westbrook going 7-22? OKC out rebounded Miami for the game. Just because they missed a rebound at the end doesn't mean that's why they lost just like if someone misses a game winner doesn't mean that's why a team lost. Its the plays during the game that causes teams to lose and the main reason they lost today was there stars were locked down as far as being effective scorers and they didn't play well enough defense. Green also did a very good job keeping Bosh off the boards. Like i said he played the best out of any Thunder today so he is far fromt he reason they lost
ok they are 10th. but JGreen is avg 5.7 brds a games does that cut it. i'm outtta here, son want's to go outside & enjoy this balmy 40 Degree weather. I like this team just want them to find 3rd opotion & get to the finals
Westbrook, Harden, Cook, Durant = 27 rebounds
Krstic, Green, Ibaka, Collison = 15 rebounds
OKC isn't a bad rebounding team, per se, but their big men can't rebound. Miami had 8 offensive rebounds in the 4th quarter. That lost the game. In close games at the end, you have to rely on your big men to get rebounds... not your guards and wing players. I'm not saying to make big changes, but you have to somehow get a low post anchor instead of standing pat.
I think Harden for Gortat works out pretty good for each team. I am not sure the Suns want to give up Gortat though and would much rather give up Lopez. Suns need somebody to score the ball and Gortat could step right in and be the starting center for the Thunder.
Another trade I have started to think about involves the Knicks, Thunder, and Nuggets.
Nuggets send Nene, Melo. Nuggets receive Jeff Green, Wilson Chandler, Eddy Curry, Landry Fields, and Krstic.
Knicks send Curry, Chandler, and Fields, Cash, 1st + 2nd rounder, Knicks receive Melo
Thunder send Jeff Green and Krstic. Thunder receives Nene
We don't know if they are the answer since they aren't a title contender yet. Cole is only a rookie so why would you even mention if he is the Answer? How many Rookies are the Answer as Rookies. That shows Zero patience. This isn't the Celtics or Spurs or Lakers, they are in no rush right now. They are playing for the future, while doing very very well in now. Why mess with whats working when you are one of the better teams in the NBA and have plenty of time to get better because you're key players are young?? Like Ive said before you trade Green only if you can get a player who is just as good or better while still being young. Old player doesn't work because you are not a title team and by the time you're key players are ready to compete for a title that older player you traded for is no longer a factor. Fans wanna make changes for this team when they have a plan that has worked lol. That makes no sense to change that drastic when you have stuck to a plan that has worked perfectly
Now if you can get Kaman for Harden you make that trade. You get to keep your number 1,2,3 option while gaining a AllStar Big man. When you make a trade sending out green you have to think about where that player you are bringing back is gonna be in his career in 2,3 years when the thunder are legit contenders. How old is Nene and isn't he injury prone( another thing you consider)
by the way NENE is only getting 7reb a game
Kaman can't stay healthy either Quincey. He's more injured than Nene is.
Plus if he's not scoring, Kaman doesn't really do anything else.
"Like Ive said before you trade Green only if you can get a player who is just as good or better while still being young. Old player doesn't work."
I totally agree with this. Don't trade Green for potential or for a vet. Aldrich has been in the D League all season... not alot of hope there. They need a legit big man more than Green... I'm not saying be desperate, but don't just sit on your hands for the sake of "staying the course" either.
If anyone thinks OKC will become an elite team with Green as their PF, they're wrong. They can't compete against the elite teams because Green can't defend their PF's. And he doesn't rebound, doesn't hustle for the boards.
That's why i prob wouldn't trade him for Green. And if they have gotten much better by just "sitting on there hands" then why not continue to do that?..That only doesn't make sense If you haven't been getting better every year. And Cole is a big man Rookie on the number 4 team in the west, For one it takes big men longer to develop. Being sent down isn't a bad thing, it makes perfect sense to send a rookie down if he doesn't get alot of minutes on a good team
You don't trade Green for just some Legit big man, that makes no sense. You trade him for a very good big man/Allstar caliber who is young.
Yes OKC has gotten better sitting on there hands. But think bout it, how good could sitting on their hands get. They are a good team now, but does the current roster have what it takes to get elite?
They have been building through the draft since the beginning they should just keep building that way. They don't need to trade Jeff Green unless he starts asking for to much he puts up around 15 a game every year and around 6 boards on a team with Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant. There is no way he gives you twenty a game on this team. In the future he probably ends up being a 6th man if he stays with the team but if you trade this guy and he gets the oppurtunity he could very well be a twenty point a game scorer. They should keep him because he is one off those valuable role players who help you win championships. OKC could trade him now but they would definately need him later. As far as Ibaka goes in a couple years he probably takes the starting job if not hes a great second unit option. The sky is the limit for OKC the last thing they need to do is make rash decisions that only end up making them older. There not gonna win the championship this year or for next couple years but after that they are looking like legitamate contenders. It wouldnt be bad picking up Greg Oden in free agency as long as it was for the minimum and just use him off the bench to counterpart the size they see in the west.
How long is the Elite teams int he west gonna continue to be elite? And the thunder doesn't need to compete with them right now because they are young and not even near there prime years yet. They have young bigs who are getting better with time. Ibaka is only in his second year and Cole is in his first. Whats the big rush?..I still haven't heard one reasonable reason why they should trade Green right now.
They have gotten better every year
They are ahead of there schedule
They are young( youngest playoff team and by far the youngest playoff team as far as key players)
They are Fourth in the west that will Dramatically change in 2-3 years because of age
Theres no team below them that is close to where they are/ will be in 2-3 years with there current roster
Yeah the plan that the GM has gone with has been horrible
The title could be open this year. I think OKC should look at getting another big man who can come in and score just enough to be considered a 4th option and they could win a title this season I believe.
Zach Randolph would be huge, but he's small and I don't think he'd be a good fit chemistry wise. Kevin Love would be a good fit, but they need a C.
Could Westbrook-Thabo-Durant-Love-Ibaka work?
Do you really think Jeff Green will be able to defend the likes of Blake Griffin? Carlos Boozer? Kevin Love? Tyrus Thomas? Greg Monroe? Luis Scola? Zach Randolph? Derrick Favors? David West? Elton Brand? LaMarcus Aldridge? Tim Duncan? Pau Gasol? Paul Millsap? Andray Blatche?
Exactly Jay. Patience is a virtue. They have been going at a nice pace climbing from the basement( better pace then any other team in history that hasn't made a Boston type change). If you can get a player just as good/versatile or better for Green then you go for it, if not it makes zero sense unless they were going backwards. You're right as far as he is the type of player that helps you win titles because he is so versatile. You don't trade him for Lopez,Gortat. The only real problem i see for them in the Future is Miami and The lakers when another star or two decides to come ( come on we all know someone will come). And on top of all this think about the CBA. How many teams will not be able to afford to have Three guys with the Ability of Durant,Westbrook and Green
Patience is a viture....but be too patience and end up like Portland.
Does he really need to?..That's why you have team defense. One player can score a bunch of points and you can still beat a team easily. And who can defend those guys that you named?..Millsap has been getting punished and utah is a worst rebounding team then OKC and they are behind him yet no one is talking about Trade Millsap
Why did you even mention Derrick Favors? These guys aren't even factors and there teams aren't even factors so who cares if those guys score or rebound when OKC still blows them out... By the way Bosh is a horrible defender and Amare was a bad defender for years. Individual Defense is overrated by fans. Its team defense that wins games. How bad of a defender is Fisher and Nash and countless other players in NBA history but they won because of team defense. Does anyone doubt that Ibabka is gonna get better at defense?..Green can and should become a better defender then he is now( most young players become better defenders as they get older)
You have injuries and you end up like portland.
Or be patient and end up like the bulls
You said if a few years, Derrick Favors will be a factor in a few years, and i have mentioned trading Millsap if you look at the last Jazz thread. If OKC want to be a legit contender, they need to get a PF/C who is a lost post threat and can defend his position, they can't sit around waiting on their hands. In a few years the PF's like Blake Griffin and Kevin Love etc might be on good teams, can Green defend these guys? Might be the difference between a championship and being knocked out of the playoffs
The Bulls added Boozer this offseason and moved Hinrich. The point is make a move. They added a top 20 guy in Rose's 3rd season, why not call for a Kevin Love or Zach Randolph or Andre Iguadala to play next to Durant?
Instead, OKC holds on to draft picks and that's why they are a good team, but not a title team.
Bulls back in the day not the bulls now. And If those PF will be better then doesn't that mean Cole,Green,Ibaka will also be better?..I doubt They are gonna be the same that they are now. And doesn't it matter if Those guys are better when there team is years away from even being a playoff team? Once again you bring up individual defense which doesn't matter. Its team defense and the Thunder have shown they can be a very good team defensive team. Sitting on you're hands only makes no sense when you aren't getting better by developing the players that you have or you're plan isn't working. There plan is working. You dont change something that's working for something that might work.
And i hear "Trade Green" but no one has came up with a trade that could actually happen, or a player who can do what green does or better yet they are the same age or younger.
I can say The lakers should trade for a point guard but if there is none they can get at a price that doesn't make them go further over the cap what sense does it make. i keep hearing "trade him and get
Injury prone nene who averages 7reb a game
Injury prone Kaman
Older Troy who will be on a nice decline by the time the Thunder are contenders
Come on people lets come up with a player who they can actual get who is as versitle and young as greeen who can go outside of the paint so WestBrook and Durant can continue to drive without worrying about another big to close the lane
The thunder don't need to be a title team. There best players are still young. They don't need to rush to be a title team right now. There's not a trade out there for Green that would make them a title team. Its not like they are one player away from being a title team.
Do you seriously think OKC can become elite with Green so inept at defending good PF's?