Boy, the sixers get screwed big time in that second scenario
fawk any trade idea that has Dwight going to the Lakers
would this trade be too crazy or does anyone think that it could work and benefit each team (long or short term)?
The first one looks solid. I like that the Magic actually get some young talent in Derrick Caracter and Devin Ebanks.
Second one, I don't like. Don't think the Sixers would give up Lou Williams especially if he is that valuable to thier bench. He's a legitamate 6th man while Steve Blake is just a nice veteran presence but definitely not at the caliber of Lou Williams
Better start warming up to seeing Howard in a Laker uni. Mitch has to make it happen and don't believe Kobe's "we can win with what we have" routine. A good PR move on his part, but everyone know's he wants Bynum out and Howard in and Kobe typically gets what he wants.
I'm pretty sure that the Magic will want to unload one of their terrible contracts in any possible Howard trade. One of their big ones like Arenas or Turkoglu or a bunch of their small ones like Duhon, Richardson, Bass, or Reddick would need to be moved to get under the cap and rebuild. That's what makes any theoretical Howard trade tough and why he won't get traded for a while
I think that their is little to no way the Magic make a deal getting that little in return. In the first one, they trade away an aging role player, an injury prone Center and two second round picks from last year for the best Center in the league and a solid role PF. I wonder why the Magic would be forced to have to make that kind of a deal, even with Dwight potentially walking. The second trade makes even less sense.
If they are going to get Dwight Howard, I think they are going to need to come heavier than that. The Howard to Lakers deal became feasible to me was after Pau Gasol's play-off performance. I think the chemistry with Kobe is not going to be rebuilt, and I think he leaves town. Here is a deal I tried:
Philly gets: Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, Brandon Bass, Devin Ebanks
Orlando gets: Andrew Bynum, Andre Iguodala, Lou Williams, Derrick Caracter
LA gets: Dwight Howard, Jameer Nelson, Andres Nocioni
I tried this in the trade tracker, and got no response positive or negative. I guess it warped its fragile little mind. Still, while I think this trade sucks for anyone other than the Lakers for the most part, it is much more fair than either of those two trades listed.
Dwight Howard really has little leverage right now as far as getting to the Lakers. He has leverage over Orlando, but the Lakers will have to pay a pretty lofty sum to get him, because otherwise, they do not have the cap room. To acquire said cap room, they would have to make trades that would indeed hurt the teams short term future, and probably cause Kobe to go on a hunger strike or leave for Europe. This team will keep itself competitive, but I do not think Orlando would take only Odom and Bynum for Dwight Howard, unless you somehow convinced them that Caracter and Ebanks make it worth it, which is laughable.
really? LA giving up all 3 of their big men? i dont like it
You have to spend money to make money. I do not think it was a great trade either, it definitely needs adjustment, but all I am saying is that it was a better trade than was being proposed. I was trying to make the most fair trade possible, and that was certainly more fair than the other two proposals.
Lamar Odom and Bynum certainly do not equal Dwight Howard, even less so when you throw in Brandon Bass. Neither would Gasol and Bynum mind you, but still, I think that my trade, with however little it gives the team people are dying to see challenge the Heat in the Lakers, is a lot more fair than many proposals thus far.
I am not defending the trade, I even said I thought it was pretty poor, but if we are taking fairness into consideration, their is no one team left flat on their face. In these three team scenarios, their rarely is, unless the team is just giving up a little salary. One thing I am sure of is that if Orlando trades Dwight Howard for Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom as a base, that is a damn awful deal.
Orlando fans have to temper their expectations for a trade return. Rarely does trading a superstar get you full value. After ruling out teams without mutual interest and those without the proper combo of young talent and cap space/contracts I was left with 4 fits of varying degree: LA, Washington, OKC, and Jersey.
Trade #1 As long as Dwight doesn't mind living in Oklahoma, I think they are the best match for both teams.
Kendrick Perkins, Harden, Nate Robinson(expiring), and Ibaka for D. Howard.
OKC now has the best trio in the league and would be the Western Conference favorite for the next 6-8 years. Orlando nets young talent and would actually stay competitive. A front line of Perkins, Ibaka, Ryan Anderson and Bass isn't bad. Harden would also have room to spread his wings so to speak. The tradeoff for Orl is they don't shed salary.
Bynum, Odom, Walton, Ebanks and 2 future 1sts for Howard and Arenas
Orlando adds a stud center but while a talent, Odom is basically a duplicate of Turkoglu in play and in age/expensiveness. A 3rd team might need to be added to maximize the value for Orlando. The great thing though is they dump one of the worst contracts in the league. For LA, taking on Arenas is a gamble and probably one they would feel safer about if Jackson was the coach but Howard is worth the risk and gives them a championship piece that should be around well after Kobe retires.
Trade #3 (Washington is actually the most flexible team with young talent, contracts, and cap space so they get 2)
Howard for Javale Mcgee, Jordan Crawford, Andray Blatche, and the #4 (TBD) this year.
Orlando gets a young C with breakout potential, an exciting, young combo G, a relatively cheap headcase and rotational big and a top 5 projected pick. The Wiz get the most dynamic pick n roll combo since Stockton/Malone, turning their franchise around in 15 months. This trade really varies depending on the lotto balls for Washington.
The other option if Orlando wants to shed salary (which can't be completed til July 1)
Howard, Hedo, Duhon for Mcgee, Rashard Lewis, Crawford, and the Wiz pick this year.
Orlando gets out of 2 contracts a year early while also saving a lot of money immediately.
Trade #4 (New Jersey is a bit of a stretch as a "fit" and would have to make a minor move or 2 to make this cap friendly)
Howard + Turkoglu for Brook Lopez, Damion James, Farmar, Stephen Graham, Travis Outlaw, 1st rounder
Orlando nets a top young C, gets younger, and sheds a few mil. Hedo and Outlaw can also be removed if needed.
Cool so my link didn't work... I'll just post what I had before because I think this would be one of the more decently fair trades that would have a lot of return for the Magic and free up their cap space next year and also give the other two teams involved a nice addition. It would also be one of the more fair trades I've seen.
Orlando receives: Andrew Bynum, Samuel Dalembert, and Demarcus Cousins.
Why this works: They receive an up and coming potential superstar in Cousins while also adding two centers that can play defense. Bynum has a lot of potential still and could be a great player, so he is worth the risk of some injury concerns. Also, Dalembert is a bad contract of 11 mil but it is expiring next year. Good news so that they can free up some cap space and look for other players in free agency.
Los Angeles receives: Dwight Howard, Francisco Garcia, Donte Greene.
Why this works: They get their guy. They get Dwight Howard, something they want and a place he wants to go. This is also good for them because they also get a good backup for Kobe for whenever he needs rest and is also a good place holder for the future after Kobe, whenever that is. Also adding Donte Greene is good because they will be replacing Lamar Odom (via this trade). Their bodies are much the same, play styles are relatively similar and his versatility is very comparable to Odom's. They add youth and also depth to an already good team.
Sacramento receives: Gilbert Arenas, Lamar Odom, and Hedo Turkoglu.
Why this works: They've need a PG that can take the ball out of Evan's hands so they can move him back to SG where he plays better. They also get a scoring PG in Arenas who, even though he has been a let down for the Magic, he could still play great for a team like the Kings. They also add a lot of experience in Lamar Odom and Turkoglu who have been deep into the playoffs and can be the vocal leaders of the team. Lamar gives this team a lot of versatility and length while also being/becoming their go-to guy when Evan's shot is off like how its been for most of this year. Hedo is another player that gives them length and versatility because of his size and shooting ability. I think he'd be a good match for this team because of his play style and also because his expectations wouldn't be the same as when he was in Orlando. He would be a very good role player for them while also being a potential Robert Horry type player with his clutch shooting and also his ability to handle the ball. This trade gives them a lot more scoring and experience for a team that is short on both of those things. And for only sending away basically their center of the future that wasn't getting along with his teammates and messing up the team chemistry a bit more than expected.
The projected win totals were the Lakers and Kings having plus 4 wins and the Magic having minus 11.
Any thoughts or ideas about this trade?
Gilbert Arenas and Tyreke Evans backcourt has disaster written all over it. You can retain Marcus Thornton for an 8th of Arenas contract, plus for the Kings trading one of their building pieces in Cousins for 2 of the worst contracts in the NBA in Arenas and Turkoglu. Makes no sense. I can see a team making this kind of move if they already had a championship squad in place but this Kings team will never challenge for the title and you are stuck paying Arenas and Turkoglu an absurd amount of money. If I'm trading Cousins, Sammy D, Donte Green and Francisco Garcia I'm not taking a bunch of big veteran contracts I would need some sort of young asset involved.
If the Lakers can pull off an Odom-Bynum for Howard-Bass deal, I feel like they are back in tittle contention, but the problem is that they can not get someone like lou williams because they do not have he assets to do so. Jordan Framar would have been intirguing trade bait to the sixers, but I think the point guard deal should be done separately.
KNG, that's by far the worst proposal in the thread. You decimated Sacramento.
I wouldn't want Cousins to leave Sacto but at times he's had that immature attitude people have worried about. If I'm the Kings I would give him another year to see if he can be a grown man instead of just a bid kid. Going to Orlando wouldn't really make him any better in terms of maturity.. But he would have to prove he's better and more prepared to take his position as a great player over Bynum and Dalembert. I realize the contracts of Gilbo and Hedo are major detriments to any team especially with how they've been playing but their contracts are over during the summer after this one I was thinking and that could open up their cap space so that after (most likely) a top 5 pick in the LOADED draft next year, they'd also have a ton of room to make a splash in free agency. Gilbo would have to defer to Evans or play unselfishly and score only when he is open. I just think this is one of the few trades that is semi-fair for Orlando.
But personally, I want Dwight to stay and for them to trade one of their other players for a top pick in the draft this or next year. I'd like to see Derrick Williams in a Magic uniform.