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Trade idea that i think could help all teams

Here is a trade that i think if executed can help all three teams as it addresses their immediate needs as well future ones:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=o6taadc

Golden State Warriors trade David Lee to the Wizards and Harrison Barnes to the Pistons and in return they get back Greg Monroe from the Pistons and Emeka Okafor from the Wizards.

How it helps the Warriors: Solves log jam at SF with Andre and Barnes, They get rid of David Lee's large contract and get a budding young big man in Monroe who is a good passer and spot up shooter. Emeka Okafor is an expiring contract that also doubles as an insurance for Andrew Bogut. In 2014, they should have the cap room to resign both Bogut and Monroe if the pairing works.

How it helps the Pistons: They receive an excellent SF in Harrison barnes, which allows Jsmith to slide back to his natural 4 spot, spacing the court. The core of Jsmith, Andre Drummod, Harrison Barnes and Brandon Jennigs is something most GM would dream about.

How it helps Wizards: They were looking for a pick and pop big man, who will run with John Wall according to many reports this summer. Plus this move helps them since they are looking to make the playoffs this year and get out of the lottery. David lee is a solid veteran who produces at pretty high clip and figures to match up better the new influx of stretch fours in the East.

I dont agree with the wins added/loss projection for the pistons, because i think it will actually shore up their defense on pick and rolls and make their ball pressure that much more potent. But thats just one mans opinion. the impact of floor spacing with this lineup is severely undervalued by the trade machine.

What do you guys think?


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Iggy and Barnes can both

Iggy and Barnes can both guard bigger players so the Warriors won't have a problem going small. David Lee was an all star last year and I think Greg Monroe has peaked. Monroe will give you 16 and 10 while Lee will give you 20 and 10 with the same assist numbers. Monroe is younger but I don't think he has that much room to grow as a player.

The only way this would make sense to me from a GS standpoint would be if they want to shed the 44 million they owe Lee over the next 3 seasons...but they could do that without getting rid of Barnes since Lee is still a quality PF.

Also the reason the projected wins # is so far off is because it uses Hollinger advanced stats and Barnes didn't have a great regular season. He played well in the playoffs and has a ton of potential but those 2 things aren't factored in.

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So the Wizards take on a

So the Wizards take on a bunch of money for an under-sized big man who plays no defense?

Sounds pretty smart...smdh...

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The wizards only take on the

The wizards only take on the contract really for one season, David Lee's contract runs out at the end of 2014-2015 season. If it dont work this season his contract is an excellent trade chip next season. The alternative is what? starting emeka okafor next to nene.... David lee allows the Wizards to push the ball and have someone create space for John Wall to attack.. what you are suggesting is that the other two undersized pfs who dont play defense(seraphin+booker) and the older offensively incapable (Emeka okafor) is better than the all star pf who has produced on every team hes been on.... John wall has been dying for a stretch 4... i bet hes shaking his dam head at you right now

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WRONG

David Lee is under contract through 2015-16 season. I stated that in my first post....do you even read the responses on your own thread?

David Lee also isn't a stretch 4 by any means.

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you are correct about the

you are correct about the contract, i misread the point and i do agree that def makes the move harder for the Wizards.

But as for stretch 4 comment, if you are using big men such as dirk nowitzki or bargnani as tempaltes then you are correct David Lee isnt a stretch 4. But if you want a big man who can "space the floor" and who can shoot it well from 15 feet, then David Lee def qualifies as that. His shooting percentage from 10-16ft= 41%,16 ft to 3 pt line is also 41 percent. Those numbers lend well to pt guards who are quick and attack off the pick and roll, which he is.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leeda02/shooting/2013/

Im not saying my trade is perfect, but def a good place to work from. Throw in a first rounder or two to the wizards, its definitely enough to offset that extra year they will be committed to him in 2015-2016.

As for the Warriors having better ways to get rid of contract without losing barnes... i would argue that since klay is due for a reup before him, that would leave the warriors with 3 big contracts on the books. If they do trade barnes and lee... they have about 15 mill coming off the books with monroe and bogut becoming free agents next year AND they have about 14.8 million in trade exceptions..... thats a lot of room to work with in a huge free agent class next summer. This is obv based on the assumption that the warriors value klay over harrison.

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They would still have to pay

They would still have to pay Monroe unless they wouldn't want to resign him...so I don't see your point.

Just because someone can hit midrange jumpshots it doesn't make them a stretch 4. Are Udonis Haslem, Al Horford and Lamarcus Aldridge stretch 4's in your mind too?

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Udonis Haslem comparison

Udonis Haslem comparison aside... Yes those two players you mentioned both shoot a lot of jumpers from the midrange off pick and pop situations... power forwards who can shoot the ball is the definition of a stretch 4.... I mean im not saying David Lee is as good as a shooter nor does he put up as many jumpers as Aldridge or Horford, but effectively they all shot at a 40% clip from the 10-16 ft distance.... In reference to your first point they have the extra money from david lee leaving, okafor expiring, and bogut coming off the books all next year... how could you not see that as a huge opportunity to make moves in a potentially elite free agent class next year with LBJ, Carmelo, Bosh, etc all set to opt out... having financial flexibility, while contending is a great spot for a team to be in.

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No No No

GS is not moving Barnes.

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Not a horrible trade (I've

Not a horrible trade (I've seen some bad ones on here) but Golden State would be lucky to get Monroe for Barnes. I agree J Smooth is a natural PF and Detroit could use another SF but the only way I would consider it if I were Detroit is if future first rounders were thrown in.

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Andre Iguodala isn't near as

Andre Iguodala isn't as good offensively as Barnes and he's starting to get up there in age. I would go as far to say that you could use Iggy as an extremely versatile sixth man so that he still gets starter minutes (30-36) but doesn't start off the game. He can play the 2, 3, or 4 so he can replace most anybody at any time. As well, if you want to start Iggy, then I'd have Klay as my 6th not Barnes, You have enough shooters on the floor with Curry and Barnes and Iggy is a better creator than Klay by far and would be able to get it to Curry and Barnes easier creating more shot oppurtunities while still having Iggy being able to score as well. I think Iggy would improve them a lot if he started at the 2, while Klay could be a good scorer off the bench.

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I definitely see the merits

I definitely see the merits to your argument and you are right AI is getting up there in age. It just makes the move to sign AI even more puzzling given how well barnes and klay have progressed. The small ball line up is great and highly effective, but when its faced with a team with real size(see NY knicks vs Pacers, Warriors vs Spurs) and skilled teams who know how to attack the inside then it becomes a real problem. The heat, due to Lebron James, have made this whole small ball craze a little inflated IMO.

Even they cant maintain lebron at the 4 for long stretches because it wears them down. Im not saying it cant be done, but especially in the west its quite hard with the amount quality big men on contending teams. I mean u guys know if u watched the playoffs this year at all, the difference between the pacers+ spurs vs the heat was Lebron James.... otherwise we might have had a different outcome all together because they pounded the ball inside out.

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I definitely see the merits

I definitely see the merits to your argument and you are right AI is getting up there in age. It just makes the move to sign AI even more puzzling given how well barnes and klay have progressed. The small ball line up is great and highly effective, but when its faced with a team with real size(see NY knicks vs Pacers, Warriors vs Spurs) and skilled teams who know how to attack the inside then it becomes a real problem. The heat, due to Lebron James, have made this whole small ball craze a little inflated IMO.

Even they cant maintain lebron at the 4 for long stretches because it wears them down. Im not saying it cant be done, but especially in the west its quite hard with the amount quality big men on contending teams. I mean u guys know if u watched the playoffs this year at all, the difference between the pacers+ spurs vs the heat was Lebron James.... otherwise we might have had a different outcome all together because they pounded the ball inside out.

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I love the way GS's rotation

I love the way GS's rotation could work:

PG Stephen Curry
SG Klay Thompson
SG/SF Andre Iguodala
SF/PF Harrison Barnes
PF/C David Lee
C Andrew Bogut

With the exception of PG, they could rotate these guys in and out without using anyone else off the bench. Really, it's brilliant. Too bad they lost Jarret Jack, he's exactly what they're missing. They need a quality backup PG.

Harrison Barnes stretched the floor as a PF in playoffs and was awesome. David Lee isn't an ideal C, but they've got to do something when Bogut is feeling fragile. They're a great Swiss Army team. I think they'll be a little better this year.

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