First of all I would like to say the people on this forum like to neg without reason. I honestly don't mind being neged, but the whole point to me is to engage in a interesting basketball discussion. Neg if you will, but please give me your thoughts as well.
As you can probably guess by my username I am a Pistons fan and constantly think of ways we can improve our roster. We obviously have a surplus of bigs, and small forward is an issue, if you consider Josh Smith a power forward as I do. I've been searching for the best possible trade to fix the dilemma and this is what I came up with: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=n6qn5vm
In a nutshell... Pistons acquire: Nicolas Batum and Meyers Leonard. Blazers receive: Greg Monroe, Kyle Singler and Charlie Villanueva.
PISTONS: Nicolas Batum is an excellent glue guy with good defense, solid passing and an excellent 3 ball to space the floor. He's best used as a role player but can definitely do more when needed. He's only 24 years old and has 3 years left on his contract. Add Meyers Leonard to back Andre Drummond off the bench.
BLAZERS: Greg Monroe is a great low post scorer that should compliment LaMarcus Aldridge perfectly. With Aldridge being 28 and in his prime, Monroe at 23 should fill the wake nicely when he begins to slow down. Kyle Singler performed decent at small forward as a rookie last year. He can shoot the 3 and works hard on defense. I view his ceiling as limited and he's not a player I'd hang my hat on, but a serviceable replacement for Batum none the less. Monroe become's a restricted free agent next year so add Charlie Villanueva's expiring contract and Portland will be in great position to extend him an offer.
Pistons starting lineup (as I envision):
PG: Brandon Jennings
SG: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
SF: Nicolas Batum
PF: Josh Smith
C: Andre Drummond
Blazers starting lineup (as I envision):
PG: Damian Lillard
SG: Wesley Matthews
SF: Kyle Singler
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge
C: Greg Monroe
Unrealistic. The Blazers just matched that overpriced offer sheet for Nic Batum last season, I don't see them trading him away for a C especially after they just traded for Robin Lopez.
Unrealistic for who? The Blazers resigned Batum out of fear of letting an asset walk for nothing, not because they want to build around him. LaMarcus Aldridge and Greg Monroe is a front court teams would dream of. Robin Lopez is a no starter in my opinion. They signed him out of necessity.
Unrealistic for the Blazers. Robin Lopez isn't an all-star 5, but given starters minutes I believe he could prove effective. IMO, he's a temp at the 5 until Leonard develops, and he could be a good/great 5. He showed some flashes last season. Greg Monroe could easily be better than both of them, but at the price of a great glue SF and promising young big man...I think their roster is playoff bound as it stands.
I agree Leonard could be good, but there are lots of players that could be good/great that never pan out. I think the Blazer's would be lucky to solidify the front court with players like Monroe and Aldridge for years to come. The Blazers haven't changed much this off season and they didn't make the playoffs last season. Best case scenario for them is low playoff birth and that's after putting a LOT of stress and Aldridge. They need change.
The Blazers haven't changed much? They finally added a solid bench. 3 of their 5 starters were top 10 in MPG last season. They started out the season strong but couldn't finish because they were so wore down from all the minutes they were responsible for, and both Batum and Mathews were bothered by nagging injuries after the break.
Monroe and LA would be a sick front court, and maybe this trade is more realistic in February around the deadline if they aren't performing well. I think this lineup deserves a chance though.
I think I'm just too high on Batum. I really like his game because he's one of the most versatile players in the L.
Greg Monroe makes a perfect Power Forward...I'd say he's untradeable.
I believe they would or should look to get more return for Monroe regardless of position
Why someone would give a young valuable asset in Greg Monroe plus a back up shooter who can score when Jennings off the bench when offense is really needed on this weak Pistons team. Yes we have Josh smith but we all know that as much as he thinks he can, he cannot shoot the ball from the perimeter with consistency at all.
In a perfect world I wouldn't want to see Greg Monroe leave either, but Josh Smith signed with the Pistons and what's done is done. No, I don't think it fit a need, but now they have a valuable trade chip in either Drummond or Monroe and Monroe makes the most sense. Its moves like this that turn a bunch of good players into a solid team. I think this trade would complete both rosters.
Batum would be nice....but I think we can get a better offer for Monroe.
I agree that Monroe is great, but they can't expect a miracle for him. Without signing Josh Smith trading Monroe would've been out of the question. Now, this could give them the opportunity to become a TRUE contender. Not a mid to low playoff team as they are now. Never mind who's the best PLAYER we could get, Batum is the best FIT. They're one solid move away from being legit playoff contenders and this move could be the final piece.
I like the idea, and I like that you are thinking about trading Greg Monroe. Having Smith and Monroe on the same team makes no sense as they fill the same role. I would rather trade Smith, but obviously they just signed him for 5 years so I don't think that is going to happen.
I agree with Sharp Shooter though. I think the Pistons could get way more value for Monroe. Maybe not a single better player than Batum, but maybe a mix of more young talented players and draft picks.
Good idea though. Not many trades instantly make both teams better, but I think yours does.
I dont think this is a great trade. First, Monroe is worth more than that. Second, imagine Monroe and Aldridge having to guard guys like Bynum and Howard...
I don't have to, they've done it plenty of times. Good players will be good players and few can stop that, but they'll hold their own just fine. I think people need to stop thinking about what the Pistons can get in return for Monroe and start thinking about what will produce wins.
I don't think the Blazers wanna give up Leonard yet. What if they include Robin Lopez instead? Lopez would provide efficient inside scoring, which would balance out Smith and Drummond. Drummond might not be ready for full time minutes yet anyway, so they could split the minutes (Drummond 28, Lopez 20).
I love Batum's fit with the Pistons.
Aldridge and Monroe would be as bad defensively as they are good offensively. I am not sure i like that fit, but i guess Thomas Robinson could be the defensive/rebounding guy on the team for portions of the game.
I'm sure you see everyone arguing the Pistons could get more for Monroe than Batum and Leonard. 2 years ago Monroe would've been the cornerstone of the franchise. At the end of the day its just a matter of a proven talent vs a promising talent. Monroe is more proven, even in his first year. I think the trade is more balanced for the Pistons because of Leonard's included. I don't think Monroe nor Aldridge are horrible defenders at all. Wouldn't expect DPY awards but they'll be okay.
I don't really like it. You need a defensive big to pair with Aldridge IMO (if Portland wants to keep him, because there were more than a few trade rumors involving him this offseason, so if Aldridge were going to be moved as well, that changes things. But yeah, I don't think Monroe or Aldridge are centers and I don't think they fit well together. Batum is a great fit with Portland, as he is with basically any team, and he still has some untapped potential. I just don't think this one really makes sense for Portland unless they don't want Aldridge.
I think LaMarcus Aldridge could work well with a defensive big as well, but those aren't easy to come by AT ALL. Not good one's at least. Usually they're just a big body that can stay in someones way i.e. Kendrick Perkins. The fact the Pistons have a legit one gives them room to make this move and the Trailblazer's made J.J. Hickson work last year. Looking at the defensive bigs the Blazers reasonably could hope to acquire then looking back at Monroe... I'll take Monroe. I think offense would definitely be Portland's strong suit but defense is more a team effort now anyway. It could work great.
Did it really work with Hickson though? The team went 33-49.
And Portland's interior defense ranked among the worst in the league. 6th worst in the League in FG% at the rim and the worst in the league from 5-9 feet out. 2nd worst from 10-14 feet too.
I see you point, I just there are too many players that can change that they can realistically hope to get. Miami played excellent defense last year with 6"8 Lebron James at power forward and soft Chris Bosh at center. They won games with solid team defense. Again, I don't think there would be a block party going on in Portland but if they made solid defensive rotations I see it working in there favor... or they can nothing and hope that works, but I wouldn't.