I have recently stumbled across a website dedicated to trading the ever gentle Italian. I need all my comrads here at this great forum to help and assist the departure of the Raptors C. Please vote TRADE and enter your email to formally contact Raptors management. WE NEED YOU!
I would like to see one of those for numerous players.
Tyga Im not joking...Please vote its a desperate cause for all Raptors fans. The worst thing about it is that the differential is only 6 freakin votes ahead for yes!
i voted keep :),anyway BC would have to be fired,but if he was they should trade him if they can like for Oj Mayo or somehting like this http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4bf7rmu
Oh Canada Do you have a Facebook
I actaully dont, when I was a kid I never had time for those kinds of things let alone a computer.
I doubt it will help but I voted
:x.....by the way i changed my vote,also http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewforum.php?f=32 ton of Raptor fans there
the tornoto raptors suck as a franchise, but if it makes you feel better blaming your best player then feel free. And no barganni should not be any teams best player, but using him as a scapegoat for your sorry squad is not gonna get you anywhere.
I dont think were just blaming our best player because even when Bosh played here I gave Bargnani all the blame. He cant play D, doesnt rebound, and isnt even cloe to being a leader.
I used to stand up for Bargnani 24/7. used to say he wasnt soft, he is a good rebounder it was just because Boshw as getting all the boards his were low, used to say a bunch of things in his defense. But enough is enough. The guy is a 7 foot jumpshooter, who cant rebound, and plays no defense. His rebounding and defense gets worse as the years go on. He is not the teams best player, he is not the teams leader. He is nothing but trade value in my opinion, nothing but trade value and wasted develomntal minutes.
I wrote in both of my e-mails, hope I've done at least something to help the world around me now lol
At this point I don't think you trade the guy. I don't really like his game, but you don't have a lot to work with up there as far as talent goes and nobody good seems to sign with Toronto. Hopefully you get something good back if you do trade him. I could see him fitting in well with Orlando, but they likely don't have anything you would want to take back. Cleveland could use anything they could get, but they are talent deficient.
imo bargs would be a much better player at the 4 spot instead of the 5 if the raps could get kanter in the draft i think him at the 5 and bargs at the 4 would work
I think the Raptors need to keep Bargnani. Bargnani has issues as a player, for example:
1.) Sometimes lacks confidence
2.) Weak rebounder
Alright, I know, those are very good reasons to trade him but I don't think we'd get that much for him. The secret is out on Bargnani. The best thing we can do is to make him MORE effective. Let me break down the points.
1.) Sometimes lacks confidence - If Bargnani is missing shots early in the game, he will not heat up for the rest of the game. When I watch the Raptors play, I notice that whenever Bargnani is on a cold streak, he is shooting ridiculous jump shots as opposed to taking it in. Raptors need to find a way to find him inside to get easy points (Bargnani does have good moves around the basket).
2.) Weak rebounder - Raptors need a legit centre, whether it be via draft (Enes Kanter) or FA (Tyson Chandler). That way those players can cover up Bargnani's weaknesses and let him focus on doing the other things which he is good at, scoring the ball and playing decent defense.
I'm telling you Bargnani is a good player, he just needs the right surrondings like every other player does and Toronto isn't giving him that right now. If Bargnani was on the Magic playing alongside Dwight Howard, I'm telling you, he'd be amazing! I don't think the Raptors should trade him just yet, when they haven't put the right pieces around him.
"imo bargs would be a much better player at the 4 spot instead of the 5 if the raps could get kanter in the draft i think him at the 5 and bargs at the 4 would work"
Here is where the dilemna lies...Toronto has Amir Johnson and Ed Davis who are a solid duo at PF for this team ging towards the future. They may not bring the flash and scoring of a Bargnani but they do things that winning teams would give them minutes for.With this said Bargnani has alot of talent, and that talent could be shifted from the C position to adress another team need which solves two team needs team need. Toronto will instantly be better without Bargnani if we get a wing of value for him at the very least. Without Bargnani the team plays harder and much much better defense. Since he has that apparent talent he cant be given away for free, Toronto would definitely need an iompact player to come their way not just expiring contracts and draft picks like I want. Believe that Jeff Green, OJ Mayo, Marc Gasol, Rodney Stuckey, Felton and Chandler, Oden, Dalembert and scraps, and the ever great Matt Bonner would be pursued heavily this offseason and by offering Bargnani.
What is most likely going to happen is the Raptors will select Harrison Barnes and not even try to trade Bargnani...
I wish the Magic would trade for him...he would be a great fit next to Howard
"I don't think we'd get that much for him. The secret is out on Bargnani. The best thing we can do is to make him MORE effective."
The secret has always been out, thats the thing. You can only make him more effective by further compromising your teams overall game in different categories. If oyubwant a well rounded team your C will be blocking shots and rebounding balls not your wings. Thas very stupid approach to the basketball game and will cost us DeMar Derozan and Ed Davis. I mean seriously if your Derozan and Davis and you play on a team for 5 years with Bargnani without him averaging 7-rpg as your Center would you want to stay? Its killing the franchise. Maybe they think by then there will be a good amount of canadians in the leaue and for now just throw anyone on the court to ensure a succsessful marketing straegy. We wont win with Andrea.
'm telling you Bargnani is a good player, he just needs the right surrondings like every other player does and Toronto isn't giving him that right now. If Bargnani was on the Magic playing alongside Dwight Howard, I'm telling you, he'd be amazing! I don't think the Raptors should trade him just yet, when they haven't put the right pieces around him."
He is a 6th man bench scorer. A matchup problem and instant offense guy. HE DOESNT REBOUND OR PLAY D. What pieces do we put around a C that doesnt rebound or play D to make him better at those 2 things. If he wants to work hard he will, but he doesnt, he isnt, he is getting paid and he earned tat check too easily. Even when asked on his breakout year why he has been playing so much better as of late the awnser was, I am getting the ball more and confident about it. Usually when a player says that it means he did not put the work in. When you ask Derozan about his success he says just working hard, every single day, trying to be the best I can, improve aon all things basketball. BARGNANI DOESNT IMPROVE HE IS THE SAME PLAYER AS HE WAS WHEN THE RAPS FIRST DRAFTED HIM, JUST NOW HE THINKS HES GOOD, AND HE GAINED 20 POUNDS!! And just how are the Raptors going to acquire a player remotely close to someone like Dwight Howard, or even a poor mans Dwight Howard. The best I see the Raptors doing is grabbing Jordan but even that would not be smart as I wouldnt thnk Jordan is better then Johnson or Davis.
Why not keep him and try to move him to pf? Big men who can shoot like him dont come around often. Maybe a trade wouldnt be that bad tho he might play harder for a winning team possibly.
even if they do trade bargnani.....who really wants to play in toronto brother?......im pretty sure derozan is counting the days til his rookie contract is over with........
You my friend, must not be aware of the world. I've said this a million times and I'll say it again, Toronto is one the biggest cities in North America. Toronto has one of the fan bases in North America and is the FOURTH most livable city in the world, and where is America's most livable city? Oh yeah Honolulu, Hawaii who came 31st. (SOURCE: http://www.suite101.com/content/the-worlds-most-liveable-cities-top-10-a...). So there is no issue of living here, the weather is awesome and the night life is GREAT here. A lot of celebs stop by here. Not to mention, our fans are amazing. At least we aren't in Atlanta where the fans are cheering MVP for Kobe Bryant or the New Orleans Hornets who need to have a certain amount of attendance to keep the arena. Or even Sacramento, who could be moved to Anaheim. Toronto is a metropolitan city with everything here.
Please stop contributing to the ignorance of America, this is becoming yours and America's major downfall.
San Fran 32nd? and New York?Most crowded cities of all America? LOL what the &$#%#&@! you got to be kidding me if thats true Sacramento should be in the top 10 of the whole list
we need your vote. thanks.
Its no knock on the city. The problem is not Toronto. Its a great place to live im sure. The problem is the managment and the direction of the team. They have only been out of the first round one time in team history. It seems like they always go after the Euro players, and in the past it seems like every good player they have doesnt stick around.
Kings that deserves its own thread, FREEDOM AT LAST!
Bargnani is asked how he gets beat on the boards.
"Being lazy maybe," he says. "That's the only reason it can be. I've got the body, I've got everything to take 10 rebounds a game. It's just sometimes I get lazy."