Toronto Lottery Number & Pick
Just wondering (from a person who lives in Toronto) where you guys think Toronto will land in terms of the Lottery and who they may pick? I'm hoping that we get Austin Rivers, God knows someone like him will fill the ACC up.
no we dont need him we already got demar the best players coming out of dis draft that the raptors should get is harrison barnes(the best pick for us) micheal kidd or jeremy lamb austin rivers is undersized and they dont even know what position he's going to play pg or sg and hes not a pg but has sg skills but guys like tony allen, safolosha will lock him down easily
" where you guys think Toronto will land in terms of the Lottery"
You would have to contact Commish David Stern for that answer Joshual.
As far as who to draft, I think Barnes or Beal would both be ideal choices.
Beal and Barnes? nah i don't think so..knowing Bryan's mind he'll probably get someone we either don't want or just don't need.
No way they want Rivers. Barnes I would say is number one on the list. In my opinion he will best wing to come out of draft when you talk about scoring and still being able to guard his own position which is a big deal in Casey's system. He won't guard multiple position like MKG but will be better scorer, and Toronto needs scoring. I think Terrance Ross will move up draft boards Toronto would like him for same reasons as Barnes, he is not as big as Barnes but is big enough. The wild card could be Lamb depending on his measurements with in terms of height with his crazy wing span he could guard multiple postions like MKG(he did it freshman year)but be better scorer.
If they are smart Toronto try to package Amir or Davis with 55th pick and try to get someone like Wroten at end of draft. I think Casey style of management would do well on Wroten. Teague might be there in late mid late 20's.
How about Beal? Slide the 6'7'' 220 lb DeRozan to the 3 (he cant shoot anyways) and let Beal fill up the statsheet as the starting 2
That's my top 3 for the Raptors
AND NO WAY THE RAPS TRADE AMIR JOHNSON! Definitely a fan favourite in the city (he does a lot for the fans, check his twitter) and he is a hustle player and knows his role on the team. He is definitely a keeper.
I know fans love Amir but he and Davis are so similar the Raps could do without one of them. Amir would be more likely to interest teams as a more proven commodity. I think Davis after a summer of getting stronger and summer league with and his first full training camp could really blossom. If we can get our SF of future and PG could be great. Jose could teach Wroten or Teague a lot their first year. It would speed up turnaound without costing an arm and a leg in free agency were we have tendancy to overpay.
Beal is good player but at 6'4" in shoes he is about same size as Calderon. That backcourt is to small, a front line with Val 7'0" Bargs 7'0" and Barnes 6'9" would for the future be a huge match up problem for the future. If they could secure Wroten like I suggested futue starting line up could look like this in couple years. Val, Bargs, Barnes, Derozan, and Wroten. A very big athletic team, if they are willing to guard they could be very good. I think that would be a top half of eastern conference team.
With Jonas V coming over this summer then I doubt that the Rators look for a big unless they get a shot at Davis, if that happened, they might see what they could get for Bargnani or even how much a team would give up to get Davis. They could move Jonas but his trade value would not be as high as the other two guys. Or even they simply draft Davis and maybe move Johnson and Ed Davis as with 96 mpg on the frontcourt to be filled they could run a rotation of Bargnani, Davis and Jonas.
Realistically I'd love Barnes or MKG for Toronto.
I can see the Raptors picking 6th or 7th and drafting PG Tony Black Steel Wroten Jr.
Newsflash...Wroten Jr will be going lottery after the pre draft combine and individual workout- book it.
Watching TWJr & Val grow together would be awesome..
i wonder what the raptors do if they land the number 1 pick. They have bargs ed davis and amir at the 4. What do you guys think would be the best thing to do if it possibly happens
I don't think Kidd-Gilchrist would be all that great of a fit to the Raptors. He is not a good shooter, and we already have DeRozan who is not a great shooter. We need someone who can shoot to pair with DeRozan. I'd much rather Andre Drummond, but Beal is a better fit than Kidd-Gilchrist.
i would disagree. I believe other teams would be more interested in Ed Davis than Amir Johnson. much better contract, younger and has the potential to excell Amir Johnson whose offensive capabilities are on simillar even though Amir has been in the league longer and two years older. if the raptors are interested in acquiring a mid-round pick, Davis must be the player they are willing to part with. unless of course they want to go much younger and deal Bargs in the draft.
MKG is the ideal pick for Dwane Casey and they'll add scoring via free agency. but they are likely to land a lower pick and should draft Barnes, followed by Beal depending on who is available. The aren't taking Drummond unless,they pick for someone else to receive a player or another pick.
Toronto is going to be looking at cap space of 15-20 mil this offseason and if they keep it for next off season they will have around 30 mil to spend. Toronto should continue to develop their young guys next season and hope for another lottery pick... likely their final one in this rebuilding process.
In the mean time they have a big decision to make on Derozan. Do you pay him or trade him for a pick like the Spurs did to get Lenoard last draft by trading George HIll. Derozan strikes me as a fringe starter at best up to this point in his career. He is still very young but is he going to put it all together to become a championship level starting SG or SF? I really doubt it. So the question becomes do you use 6-8 mil per season or more on Derozan or save your pennies for a 8-12 mil sure fire starter.
I'm looking at guys like Wilson Chandler and Arron Afflalo who I much prefer to Derozan. Derozan is a 10 on the athletic scale but his shot is weak, his handle is average and his defense is suspect. I don't know why so many Toronto fans are in love with this guy?
If I can get a lottery pick for Derozan in this years draft I'd do it in a heart beat.
Next season I'd start the rook Valinciunis at C and move Bargs to his natural 4 spot for the first time ever. I'll have Amir and Davis as my 2 bigs off the bench. With the 2 lotto picks.. Toronto's own and whatever they get for Derozan, I'd go for best player available on the board regardless of team needs. The whole point of this exercise would be to develop my young guys by letting them play through their mistakes like OKC has done with Westbrook, Durant, Green, Harden and Ibaka.
After a rough season next year Toronto should have huge Cap space and another decent 1st round pick to fill out their roster. They should be a playoff team for quite sometime after that.
Patience though and lets take an honest unbiased look at the type of parts we have. A championship starting five needs to have no weakness and run like a well oiled machine. Derozan doesn't fit that description... not yet anyways... and I don't think he ever will.
With our cap space, how about going after Michael Beasley?
Here come the negs, but anyway Gilchrist is going to struggle a lot offensively. John Wall is the better offensive player than Gilchrist and look at his numbers 41% career shooter. The scary part of that is MKG shot 8% worse form 19 feet than Wall did in college. His motor can't fix the fact that he shoots and plays more like a face up 4 than a wing 3. The stuff he got away with in college won't happen in NBA. The raptors lack scoring it will be at least a few years before MKG will be there offensivley.
Really hoping Raps lose this last game, huge difference in position of draft pick. After 6 big drop off, still decent but as a Rap fan I have a big fear of them taking Lillard. Don't think they are high on Sullinger which is too bad, I think he'd be a pretty good pick, let Aaron Gray go(doesn't block much, prob less than Sully actually)and put Jonas,Bargs and Sully in a 3 man big rotation,with Amir or Ed the 4th big, and trade the other. Thats my 7th pick or later preference with Perry Jones 2nd choice, but hopefully if we stay in the top 6, I'd love to get Beal or Harrison in that order because I doubt we go higher than 6, maybe 5. Any other projected top 6 guy I would love, but I have a feeling only Beal or Barnes left when we pick. Finally a roster to get excited about next season.