Off Topic: George Zimmerman found not guilty!
The Verdict is in: George Zimmerman is found not guilty!!! smfh
While my opinion will be unpopular, I'm going to express it.
The criminal justice system is built in such a way that nobody is innocent until proven guilty, because of that, individuals are not punished for what they did, rather what can be proven. Because we will never hear the other side of the story, we don't know exactly what happened and because of this, we cannot simply say somebody is guilty.
Unpopular, of course. But this is our system that has worked more-so than failed for centuries. It's an unsatisfactory feeling that individuals who followed the case thoroughly were left with but at the end of the day, there was not enough concrete evidence, instead of theories, circumstantial evidence, as well as opinions, to rely on.
Thank you man. Seriously. I've been saying the same thing. Getting on twitter and seeing all these people, black and white, threaten Zimmerman's life is ridiculous. It's obvious that all these people were just believing what the media wanted them to believe.
However, I'm still upset that a young man's life was taken. Regardless of the fact that he was involved in gang fights and had a juvenile record that not many people know about, human life is precious. I hate to see things end this way but I guess that's just the world we live in.
Definitely. At the end of the day, a young man's life was taken. Emphasis on young.
I blame the media for making this a blame-game, racial, circus. It's saddening that we got away from the fact that a young adult lost his life while focusing on the racial/political issues of the situation.
Seriously. Add that to the fact that every media outlet ignored the Gainesville incident last year in which 5-8 black men beat a white man shouting "Trayvon!", and continue to ignore the constant black-on-black crimes in so-called "gun-controlled" Chicago. It's pathetic. People of all colors get murdered everyday and go unnoticed because the media's only interested in creating controversy
Exactly. 67 people were shot in Chicago last weekend. 11 of them died and not one of those stories gets any national media coverage because they aren't controversial. The media in this country is controlled by a select few elite people and it is a major issue.
Dang I was hoping no one would bring this up, this is gonna be the Obama re-election on this site all over again...oh well. I'm gonna leave my thoughts to the status Stacy Swimp put up. He's an African American Conservative politician
"WISE WORDS FOR THE NATION
"My heart is heavy for that community right now, the Martin family for their tragic loss & the Zimmerman family who will live in fear & the nation, because this case brought out the ugliest of ugliness on both sides.
For those who think Zimmerman was really guilty, trust me, let it go. If he was lying & they got it wrong he WILL answer to a higher authority - there's no escaping that.
For those who are celebrating & support him, humble yourselves & do not give in to insensitive celebrating of a dead 17 year old nor should you throw this in anyone's face.
It's a tragedy all around.
The race-baiting, insensitivity & relentless vitriol from both sides means we have a LONG way to go as a nation.
This case didn't create any wounds or hatred, it revealed them. It brought them to the surface.
THAT is the real tragedy - that we have a ton of healing to do in terms of race relations in America.
It has only begun..."-Talitha McEachin"
But on the case itself, IMO there just wasn't enough proof that he was guilty. Innocent until proven guilty is still a thing in this country, and the evidence just wasn't there.
Disclaimer: if the roles had been reversed and Trayvon Martin was in Zimmerman's shoes and he was announced innocent and the whole Latino community got up in arms over the decision, I would still support Trayvon. So please, I beg all of you to not bring race into this discussion. We're all better than that.
I didn't follow the trial or the case much because I get sick of the media hype. It is kind of like the Dwight Howard saga in that sense.
Things I took from this
1. The Laws in Florida are F'd Up.
2. Most black people think if Trayvon was white he would have been guilty.
3. Nobody but Zimmerman can say what actually happened. He will have his true day of judgement one day.
Ocho Cinco actually had one of the better tweets about this saying that Plaxico accidentally shot himself and did 20 months in jail and Zimmerman shot an unarmed kid on purpose and gets no jail time at all.
The system is so screwed up and if this happened in NY instead of Florida the verdict would be different. I have done more jail time than George Zimmerman and that isn't right anyway you look at it.
the need for a manslaughter charge is simply that Zimmerman was negligent enough in his own actions that he is to be held accountable to a degree for the death of martin. And I don't see how that is not the case. Zimmerman followed martin and put him in a state of self defense. We know this because martin ran. Even Zimmerman said during his phone call to 911 that martin was running away. Yet Zimmerman continued to pursue. Then a confrontation occurred. Even if we take Zimmerman for his every word since the only other witness to all the events is dead, Zimmerman said he never identified himself to trayvon. Martin obviously felt the need to defend himself. So trayvon gets the upper hand and wins the fight and now Zimmerman is allowed to use lethal force? What about trayvons right for standing his ground? And what kind of precedent does this set for individuals who get into fights down the road and one guy starts to lose and says he fears for his safety and is allowed to use lethal force?
I got an idea, how about don't pretend you are a cop, and as an unemployed self proclaimed neighborhood watchmen, you simply observe and report and let the professionals do their job like the dispatcher suggested.
I really don't want to make it seem like I'm glad he shot Trayvon, because I'm not. I'm never happy when someone is murdered. As happy as I am that Bin Laden will never terrorize another person again, I'm not happy that he's most likely burning in hell right now, basing my judgment on his fruits. I say all that to say, this is how I see it. Zimmerman was trying to protect the people in his neighborhood. He sees someone walking across the neighborhood with his hoodie up, which would make me suspicious too. Having your hood on when it's pitch black gives the impression that you have something to hide, regardless of color of skin. If Zimmerman approached him and Trayvon proceeded to run away, wouldn't there be a reason he's running away? Why couldn't he have just stopped and explained to him what he was doing? So Zimmerman was only trying to protect his neighbors because he thinks this guy might be up to something. I don't see what's wrong with that. Oh, and Zimmerman came out of it beat up, so it's not like he hunted him down like a defenseless dog. A credible eye witness said that he saw Zimmerman on the bottom getting beaten.
Now, let's quit with the politics and get back to basketball.
Zimmerman provoked an innocent kid by following him and confronting him and when a scared teenager reacted with force to Zimmerman's foolish knee jerk wanna be cop actions, he realized he was out matched and killed the guy that would have eventually gone home that night if it wasn't for the meddlesome behavior of a guy who left his house against the advice of law enforcement professionals. Zimmerman may not be going to prison, but he's not innocent. If he wouldn't have tried to "play police" no one would be dead.
I could not have said it any better IIperez. The crazy this is Zimmerman was not even on duty that night and he was totally in the wrong. I can't believe people are trying to make Trayvon out to be this thug or whatever just to justify his death. If he was truly a thug, he would have had a gun and shot Zimmerman for following him and not stating who he was.
I think this case got way more attention then it should have. I know my opinion probably wont be the most popular, heck im expecting a shit tonne of negs for this but i dont mind. I feel that the only reason this got as much attention as it did was because it was a white guy killing a black kid. If it had been a black guy killing a black kid there would of been much less attention, and if it had been a white guy killing a white kid it would of had less attention as well. I feel that whenever a racism point of view can be taken, it always is. Media loves blowing shit of proportion, and the amount of idiotic posts that float around on facebook saying that Zimmerman murdered him straight up in cold blood, and the people posting dont know a thing about the case is sickening. Modern day social media makes me hate being a teenager in this day and age. So many uneducated people spouting shit to get likes from people they wont ever meet.
And onto my opinion on the actual ruling.
Personally, I dont think people were going to be happy either way it was ruled. He gets ruled guilty, every white bigot calls racism, and that 2nd amendment rights are dead, while if he is ruled innocent the African-American Travyon supporters will also just call racism and that he only got away with it cos he was white. &$#%#&@! up case to begin with
I think the big points is not about who killed who racially wise but the fact that we know Zimmerman killed Trayvon and he is getting off. In black on black situations, if the know who committed a crime, that person is sent to jail which is why there is not a world wide outrage because it happens on the time and the criminals for the most part get locked up when caught. Also there is still an outrage just like when that honor student was beat up for helping his friend in Chicago or when lil Jojo was killed. You are wrong to say there is not any outrage. There reason why this one is greater is because Zimmerman is getting away with murder.
I am BLACK by the way
Let me break this down. I've been saying this for WEEKS now I just never decided to post a personal status about it. George Zimmerman was WRONG. He shouldn't have killed that young man, didn't have to kill that young man ,and should've stayed in his car and went about his business. The problem is, as the laws are written in Florida it WAS NOT PROVEN that he broke ANY OF THEM beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law setting.
The points that prosecution leaned on to try to convict him where that he should've heeded dispatch's ADVICE to not pursue instead hunting him down, the fact that he shot a 17 year old boy regardless of the reason, that that boy was screaming for help based on a recording that was not PROVEN IN EITHER DIRECTION as to who was on it, and a witness who got on the stand and said that Trayvon referred to Zimmerman as "a creepy ass cracker." These were the prosecution's MAIN POINTS of their case. All of which were MAYBES at best....some of which are VAGUE and DETRIMENTAL to their case. HOW THE &$#%#&@! WERE THEY SUPPOSED TO WIN IN COURT OFF THAT??? The bottom line of what I heard on Trayvon's side was "send Zimmerman to jail because he shot a 17 year old baby that could've been your child" which was JUST NOT ENOUGH IN COURT WITH ALL THE EVIDENCE ZIMMERMAN'S SIDE HAD.
Zimmerman racially profiled and confronted Trayvon in his neighborhood while albeit it WRONG....it's not illegal. There's no law saying you can't see someone in your neighborhood and go up to them ask them "who are you and what are you doing around here" It wasn't proven WITHOUT A REASONABLE DOUBT that he went up to Trayvon to start an altercation and/or kill him and for them convict him this was THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT. After it was PROVEN that Trayvon BEAT ZIMMERMAN'S ASS under Florida law it threw ALL OF THOSE OTHER CHARGES OUT OF THE WINDOW unless they could PROVE, not suspect PROVE that Zimmerman approached him with malicious intent to assault him.
The point of this post was I saw this verdict coming a mile away and after what was presented to them in court the jury had NO CHOICE but to come to this conclusion.
"unless they could PROVE, not suspect, PROVE that Zimmerman approached him with malicious intent to assault him."
read the definitions of the charges. You have to prove malicious intent to convict of murder. You do not need any malicious intent to convict of manslaughter. Same as a drunk driver killing someone. The jury had the option of the lesser manslaughter charge and I don't see how they didn't get him for that.
Look, I'm not here to argue the case because at the end of the day, neither of us were there and neither of us saw exactly what happened. Sure, there were lesser charges that could have been given to him but there was nothing but circumstantial evidence that inclines people to believe that it was somehow Zimmerman's fault. Note: Inclines to believe, not proves.
your previous statement was wrong about needing to prove malicious intent. They didn't have to prove malicious intent and that is HUGE in getting the manslaughter charge which is really the only thing Zimmerman was facing since there was clearly no way to prove he killed martin maliciously. But there is plenty of evidence to prove that Zimmerman acted negligently and his poor choices played a significant factor in martins death.
Here's the thing. What poor choices did he make that played a significant part? Simply walking behind someone is not a threatening situation.
I'm not trying to say that Martin was in the wrong, I'm saying that, by the looks of it, neither of them were wrong nor right.
It was a misunderstanding between two individuals that ended in death.
The fact the jury didnt even convict him with manslaughter proves how poor the prosecutions case was. Lacked enough hard evidence to even get a manslaughter charge, thats just sad.
I agree that the jury should have taken the manslaughter route. However, by the time the option was given, it was almost too late. It should have never been a murder case to begin with, but they wanted to create a media circus.
The only problem I have with this is that you and I both have no idea if he approached him solely because he was black. If I saw someone walking along the road late at night, that would make me suspicious too. I don't think we should just jump to the conclusion that he must have followed him because he was black and he wouldn't have if he was white or Latino.
Otherwise, I'm glad you're looking at this with a level head and aren't one of those people on Twitter that are threatening his life. Those people are no better than the person they claim Zimmerman to be.
because they couldn't PROVE that Zimmerman shot him in an UNLAWFUL situation....they couldn't PROVE that he didn't shoot him in self defense so they couldn't PROVE that he shot him unlawfully.
George Zimmerman was pleading self defense but im sure Trayvon Martin had a reason to beat Zimmermans ass... and keep in mind that Zimmerman approached Trayvon Martin first...
Please, think logically about it. Put yourself in that situation and don't just assume that he had the intention of killing him the moment he saw him.
but i'm very well prepared to do so. And I hate the fact that Zimmerman get's off for this but it's not jury's fault. It's the prosecution.
Time to riot baby lol naw I'm too scared too
he had a reason to beat Zimmerman's ass.....i'm in fact SURE of it too but that doesn't hold up in court. Being SURE doesn't rule out any other possible outcomes without EVIDENCE.
that's very much true.... at the end of the day... its not about who won and who lost... a young innocent boy was killed and now his family has to live the rest of their life with that hanging over their head
my biggest issue is that fights happen. Ive been in fights as an adult. If both parties clearly play a role in the escalation of the fight occurring, I think you need real high standards to justify lethal force. Zimm had a gun. Martin's dna was never found on that gun. Zimm's injuries didn't even require a hospital visit. So he chases a kid down for no reason other then he looked "suspicious", doesn't identify himself to martin, and then kills him once he is defending himself from getting beat up, and he has no blame in it? Man, if that's how the laws work, guys can be getting blasted at just about every bar on the weekends. Just simply start a confrontation start losing the fight then shoot in self defense. Terrible precedent for gun laws and stand your ground rights going forward.
Here's the flaw in that logic.
Neither of us were there. We don't know what events transpired with what intents. We don't know what either of them was thinking. We don't know exactly what happened. We don't know what was said. We don't know any of it, that's why it is so difficult to speculate.
Only two people know, and one of them is dead.
Why is his logic flawed because "we don't know" but your logic is valid whilst "not knowing" any more first hand information yourself. It's fine to have different opinions, but the "we don't know" but you're wrong is BS.
I never said he was wrong, the logic is flawed. Big difference. How are we going to incarcerate someone because we THINK he's guilty?
Dude I'm with him, I've unfortunately been in situations where I've gotten a severe upper hand on guys who have proved fights with me. Nights where I wouldn't have bothered anyone if it wasn't for someone else initiating confrontation. We may not know first hand what happened, but following someone at night is provocation and since the other guy died and couldn't tell his story there was a weak case. That doesn't mean Zimmerman was innocent, just that it couldn't be proven. "Thinking" shouldn't get you incarcerated, but if Zimmerman doesn't make a series of poor decisions none of this happens.
I don't understand how you have a gun and you're screaming for help.
when you're a REGISTERED GUN OWNER.....that IS how the laws work. I feel what you're sayin though.
Trayvon was 17. I'm 17 now. Something tells me that if I, a white kid, were the one walking down the street that night George Zimmerman wouldn't have considered me suspicious looking. In the end he had no good reason to follow Trayvon and he was the one that picked the fight. He was armed with a gun while Trayvon was armed with a bag of skittles.
Remember from now on, when police dispatch asks you to not pursue a suspect, ignore their requests and go barreling into the situation. There are no repercussions for anything that may happen!
George Zimmerman isn't white as it's been assumed. It really doesn't matter what his skin tone is. What is important is that one young person is dead and the other person... described to be a wimp with a gun is destroyed and willl never be the same This needless type of incident happens every single day in this country and has since this country was founded.
I wasn't there to see what actually happened that night but I know it was avoidable. At this point it's important to be able to learn from others mistakes and not just our own mistakes and to be able to help educate others in hopes that none of us repeat or become involved in these types of life altering events.
1 man is dead
1 mans life is ruined
(Except maybe the media that made this more then it was)
You hit the nail on the head because the media is the reason we are even discussing this now. 67 people were shot in Chicago last weekend..11 of them died. But the media can't get ratings without race baiting so this case was right up their alley.
The truth is we don't know if Zimmerman would have followed him if he were white. In the court of law so much of the story was speculation it was hard to get any kind of murder conviction especially the way the laws are in Florida. The entire system is flawed but we still have one of the better court systems in the world. It is a crappy situation because maybe Zimmerman really was scared for his life when he killed him...he most likely wasn't and definitely shouldn't have been following him but that act is not illegal in itself. In the end it is all about what you can prove...and then it is up to the jury who is specifically selected based on their likely biases.
If you ask me the guy should definitely do some jail time but that isn't the way it works. They were going for life and ended up getting nothing. The laws and prosecution failed as much as Zimmerman here.
I'm gonna get negged hard for this- but here it goes.
I just want to start off by saying that it is horrible that people are bringing Trayvon's juvenile record into the equation. So what if this KID has a troubled past? Does that justify a cop-wannabe to gun him down? Trayvon Martin was an unarmed minor. Period. Zimmerman was a vigilante with a gun who actively followed Trayvon home despite the police's request him not to. It seems like Trayvon should be given the benefit of the doubt, unfortunately many people in this country feel differently. I realize Zimmerman is Latino, but it does seem like people who defend Zimmerman have a distrust of black people.
Is it wrong that Zimmerman's family is being vilified on a national level? Yea it is. But do these kind of stories deserve more public awareness? Absolutely.
Regardless of what you think about gun control and 'Stand Your Ground Laws' (which are a completely immoral IMO), you have to appreciate that black people in America believe that they are targeted and/or neglected by law enforcement and the justice system. Almost every black family, especially in the south (and Florida is more of the south than many people think) know of a relative or friend who did not have the support of the police or courts when they were the victim of a crime. The Martin family and a large portion of the black community truly believe that having the support of the media was the ONLY way to get an arrest on Zimmerman. And I believe, and many in this country believe, that if you kill an unarmed kid you should at least have an effing court date.
Even if Zimmerman is protected from a murder conviction because of the effed up Stand Your Ground Law, his murder of Martin became a symbol of this issue- BLACK PEOPLE are never given the benefit of the doubt. And in this case it resulted in an unnecessary death.
@SubZero brought up the incident in Gainesville where a black guy beat up a white guy while shouting "Trayvon!". Undeniably a despicable act. But you miss the point. That black man was arrested for his crimes. I realize the set of circumstances is different since there were witness to testify that he was the aggressor. But it still feels wrong that Zimmerman's murderous act is not given any jail time, like what the Gainesville man received.
And for the record, I am not black.
I wasn't using that story to try to prove anything about Zimmerman getting off. I was just using it as an example of how the media completely ignored it because they don't want people to know about it. They made this case much, much, MUCH bigger than it should've been because they wanted people to make it into a race issue. That's all
If only the media paid this much attention to every 17 year old black male that has ever been shot and killed. America would probably be a much safer place.