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Off Topic. Floyd is Ducking Pacquiao: First Take Reflects on Pacquiao Interview.

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wondering

I always wonder why Floyd runs his mouth too much?

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just me

I would rather see Bradley / Mayweather

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Even though I'm a fan of both

Even though I'm a fan of both fighters (although I hate Mayweather's guts), the way Mayweather talks his way out of fighting Pac is ridiculous lol. I don't even want to hear anything about them except for when they're actually fighting. Pac has said yes to everything Floyd is saying so enough talk and more fighting.

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why is here any reason to fight manny?

pac has lost his last fight ( if you agree or not it is counted as a lose) he should not have won a single marquez fight.

ward or bradle are his best 2 options,

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Because it is the fight that

Because it is the fight that everyone, even casual fans, wants to see and it would be the highest grossing fight of all time.

One of his best options is Ward? You're talking about Andre Ward right?? The same guy who just beat the crap out of a light heavyweight??? And Bradley's the other best option?? The man can't draw flies to sht. For a PRIZE fighter, key word PRIZE, he's not anyone's best option.

Yeah, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

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Floyd will roll Pacquiao.

Floyd will roll Pacquiao. Both Floyd and Manny have been building up for each other by facing stylistically similar boxers. Miguel Cotto and Victor Ortiz are guys who keep coming forward. Floyd had no problem with them or the likes of Ricky Hatton before them. Manny doesn't have the power at welterweight, and won't have the ability to wear down or outscore Floyd to win on the cards.

Mayweather is the bigger draw in the US, he should get more money. Just look at their previous PPV numbers, Mayweather brings in buyers at much higher levels. When Manny has pulled in the big numbers, it has been when facing opponents with big fan bases: Mosley, Margarito, Cotto. When he faced Bradley, they got 700,000 buyers. At this point, Floyd would easily get 1,000,000 facing anyone whose name is on the WBO Top 25. Remember, the difference in 300,000 buys at $60 is $18 million. If Floyd can get $50 million for fighting Cotto, when Cotto takes $8-10 million, then why should he be offering up anything close to 50-50 with Manny? It isn't ducking him when he is one who is right.

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Manny doesn't have the power

Manny doesn't have the power he had at 126-135 at welterweight but his punches do pack sting at welter. You don't beat Floyd with power anyways. As Jose Luis Castillo demonstrated, you beat Floyd with volume. Manny is a fast handed volume puncher.

Manny already agreed to a lesser cut. There is no reason why Floyd shouldn't accept the fight. Manny has already agreed to all of Floyd's reasonable stipulations. If you've followed the negotiations you'd recognize how ridiculous Floyd and his camp are being, talking about Manny taking a flat fee while Floyd takes in all the PPV revenue. It's ludicrous. What are Manny's stipulations?? Does he even have any? Maybe one, for Floyd to get in the ring with him. Why does it have to be so difficult to make the fight? Both guys will make enough money from this one fight to support generations upon generations.

Manny's made the concessions, but Floyd can't be satisfied. If it ain't one thing, Floyd's camp throws up another roadblock because he doesn't really want the fight... at least not yet.

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Manny doesn't have

Manny doesn't have stipulations because he can't make Floyd fight type money elsewhere. Mayweather made $50 million fighting Miguel Cotto. He has the bargaining power. Everbody wants to get in with the Golden Goose of a weightclass.

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Manny doesn't have any

Manny doesn't have any because he doesn't need any. He just wants to get in the ring. Floyd got the higher split, he got the blood tests, he got the location, ring size, etc. It's never enough. Then he he pulls this ridiculous flat fee crap, knowing damn well it's a deal breaker. The best way to wriggle out of a fight without looking like a duck to the public is to negotiate your way out it. It still looks like a duck though, especially considering all the concessions Manny has already made as well as Floyd's silence.

You can talk all this Golden Goose stuff all you want, but it ain't like Manny's chopped liver. The net 50 mill isn't just a function of his drawing power, it is also a function of him having to give less to promoters (Manny has to pay 2 with Arum having his usual large cut). When Floyd compares dollar amounts, he's comparing his revenue to Manny's income.

Floyd/Cotto did what? Just 150-200K more buys than Manny/Cotto f rom 3 yrs ago? And that was with a Cinco de Mayo date and Mexico's most popular fighter on the undercard. The difference is not worth more than a 55/45 split.

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In standard def,

In standard def, Mayweather-Cotto cost $60, $70 in HD. Pacquiao-Cotto cost $55 in regular def, $65 in HD. The difference is not insignificant. You are talking about $24-27 million. I'm not calling Pacquiao chopped liver, but if I was Floyd I would want my cut to reflect the difference in revenue generation (especially in the wake of the disappointing Bradley numbers and outcome).

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Ok. That's a function of

Ok. That's a function of pricing, not a huge difference in draw. Say Mayweather/Pac is made. They could charge $75 for HD (65 for SD) if they wanted to and still get 2.5mil buys. And im just talking about domestically in the US. Tack on maybe 12-15 mill in live gate another 2-3 mill in closed circuit and you get ~190 mill for one fight. Floyd wanted Manny to take a 40 mill flat fee, stating Manny's income per fight as reference, NOT revenue generated or potential earnings for THIS particular fight. You do the math and tell me that's remotely fair. What would you do if you step to a negotiating table, at the time offering 45-45 winner gets the extra 10 (he has since conceded to a straight up 45/55 split), and the other negotiating party counters with what is a essentially an 80/20 split (using fairly conservative figures) on what will be the highest grossing fight in the history of boxing?

One side is trying to get the fight done. The other is just negotiating their way out of the fight.

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This fight has been talked

This fight has been talked about for at least 5 years, certainly since Manny flatted Ricky Hatton anyway. If it is going to happen, I think it has to happen soon, Manny is nearly 34, has had 60 odd professional fights and has his political career in the Philippines, Floyd is 36 next year and has not boxed regularly for a few years. If they don't do it soon, then newer stars could come up and take their thunder.

In the old days, the super fights just happened e.g Leonard vs Duran, Leonard vs Hearns, Herans vs Hagler. Perhaps the Hagler vs Leonard fight was the one where it was a long time in the making and almost lacked credibility when it happened although Leonard did shock the world.

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Floyd Mayweather rant about Pacquiao.

Sep 22, 2012

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