off topic: Broncos Miracle
I always thought Tebow would be a decent starting quarterback in the NFL but he has exceeded all of my predictions and expectations in performance, growth, and improvement speed.
This guy is a winner. Let's not forget that without the defense and running game, they wouldn't be in a situation where Tebow could save the day. But with the game on the line, there is no one I would rather have. That's right. If I need a game winning drive, I pick him over ANYONE. But in any other situation he'd be like 20th.
Tebow over Brady? Over Manning? Over Rodgers?
Did you miss Rodgers game winning 68 yard 55 second drive last week?
Smh... Tim Tebow is the man.
Give the Broncos defense a lot of credit though. They're TOUGH.
Should Tim Tebow get votes as MVP?
I don't think he'll be given any MVP votes because it's obvious Aaron Rodgers is G-O-D right now... But I'll be shocked if Von Miller doesn't get any Defensive Player of the Year votes or even winning the AFC Defensive Rookie of the Year...
Oh no doubt... Rodgers is MVP hands down. But do you think Tebow will get votes?
As much as I like Tebow, he will not get votes. Atleast not any that he truly deserves.
They're winning with Tebow doing it in an unconventional way... I don't think he'll get MVP votes this season but I think he deserves credit for being able to do it...
7-1 as a starter. 10 touchdowns to only 1 intereception. Only 3 turnovers. 468 rushing yards and 3 rushing touchdowns. 87.9 QB rating.
And I don't know how many comebacks he's had, but it seems like every game is a comeback led by him.
He's one of those types of players who's impact goes beyond stats. This team was dead before he took over. They're now at the top of the AFC West.
Please just stop it. Tebow for MVP? I absolutely love Tebow as a person, but the reason there are so many Tebow haters out there isnt because of Tebow, its because of fans like some of yall who even dare to mention him as MVP. ok ok 7-1, now for the facts.
Without Barber's moronic mistakes, Tebow doesnt even get a chance. Without Denvers great defense, Tebow doesnt win many of those games. Without absolutely amazing kicking by his kicker, Denver loses that game.
My point is, lets stop praising Tebow and praise the Denver Broncos as a whole. They are all doing the job and it is true Tebow is extremely important to their success but without the others the Broncos are not a good football team.
and lets take a look at who's he has played
Tebows first start, loses to SD
Beat the Miami Dolphins, then get stomped by Detroit, beat the Raiders, KC, NYJ, SD, Minn, and the Bears without Cutler or Forte. I see only one quality win there and thats vs the Jets. Can we please stop overating this guy its a great story but its out of control. Lets let Denver play some more good teams first and give credit to where the credit should go, the Broncos as a whole.
Speaking of football, Jared Allen is on pace to tie the single-season record for most sacks.
tebow has been sub par until the end of games. Give his defense tons of credit. And the bears absolutely blew that game. Marion barber simply doesnt run out of bounds and its game over. I know a win is a win and its good to see him not turning it over and allowing his team a chance to stay in games. But you guys are on some crazy juice if you think he is playing anything more then decent football.
Watch what you guys say about Tebow....or Ditka will do this to you!
I have seen 7-1 all over the place as Tebow as a starter, but did he not lose to San Diego and the Lions? I checked the box score and he was the only QB to throw a pass vs San Diego wouldnt that make him 7-2?
He didn't start that game I believe
You don't make any sense... Of course it's a TEAM game. No MVP does it by himself. Not even Brady. Not even Manning. Not even Rogers is right now.
And mistakes are apart of football... You STILL have to capitalize on them. You still have to be in the right position to take advantage of them.
I didn't write Tim Tebow was MVP of the NFL. I wrote would he gets votes? It's not that serious... I mean, the dude has taken over a team and gone 7-1. 6 games in a row. Has led his team to comeback wins consistently to the point where you automatically think he's going to do it. He's improved as a passer. He's a leader. He's brought new life to the organization when they didn't even want him. He doesn't turn the ball over. You just can't deny what he's doing right now. He wins games.
You can give both Tebow and the rest of the team credit at the same time. I mean, I don't get caught up in all of the Tebow mania, hating, etc. I'm just stating what I see. This team sucked before he took over. Now, they're at the top of the AFC West.
Indianabasketball can you be my lawyer?lol anyways, I'm not giving ALL credit to Tebow... It's just amazing to me how the confidence of the team has changed when he became the starting QB for the Broncos and yes, he isn't an MVP-material no matter how anyone looks at it... No way... But you gotta give him props for delivering at the right moment...
Did you see how God intervened at the end of that game?? First he forces Marion Barber out of bounds when the Bears could have ran the clock down to about 10 secs, giving the Broncos no time to march down the field for a winning FG. Instead they get 56 seconds and what would you know, they tie it up. Then in overtime God intervenes once again as Barber appears to have a clear path to the end zone only to get stripped by the last defender and turns it over. Tebow's faith is taking over these games, he's the Chosen One....
But seriously, sh*t is ridiculous....that game was so surreal it was scary. I just knew as things were unfolding there was no way the Bears were going to win. Scary, Tebow just can't lose right now no matter how poorly he plays in the first 3 quarters. He was f*cking 3 for 16 in the first 3 quarters and then starts connecting every single drop back in the 4th....It just doesn't end.
im waiting for tebow to go out there and levitate about 15 feet into the air and block a fg as time expires.
They are mostly mad because he's given the chance to play his game...He's also hated on Because GOD loves Him and He Loves GOD right on back...And if you all missed the post game interview...He completely gave all the credit to every single team mate besides himself...TO be Honest...we all need a little bit of Tebow in us(not in a phyical way of course, gross) Im an Atheist and Don't believe in "Believing" but dammit if he wins more game like this, Im going to church next weekend because GOD exist, and he's rooting for Tim Tebow...
Tebow may be able to walk on water without Waterproof spray's from the Future...so stop hating on him, you Roman Catholic soldiers...because if he gets into the Playoffs, wins a few more games and Lifts that Big Ol' trophy, you'll all be converted to the ''The Tim Tebow church for reformed gator Haters"...FYI, he'd be the MVP if I had a vote...FTW, but man I love me some Tebow....
ok Indiana, first he has lost two games. 2nd, why do you think the Broncos were horrible before he was given the starting role? They lost one game to the Packers, (who wouldn't) beat a good Cinncinatti team, and lost their other two games by a field goal.
What doesn't make sense is looking at the end result of the game, seeing Tebow made a good drive at the end, and then attributing all the success to him. Doesn't turn the ball over? He fumbled in the 4th quarter of the bears game and if that Barber mistake didn't happen, then instead of Tebow getting the glory, he would of got the blame.
It is a team game, but a MVP can single handily win a game, no matter how his defense plays or not. Rogers puts up so many points it doesn't really matter how his defense plays in some games. An MVP to me, doesn't need to rely on his teamates as heavily as Tebow does. Lets enjoy the story while it last, and lets evaluate Tebow for what Tebow does, hes great in the 4th quarter. He doesn't turn the ball over, but then again if you dont generate much offense than you dont get many chances to throw the ball over. Tim Tebow does not "Will" his kicker to kick amazing field goals. He does not "Will" other teams to making stupid mistakes. For every drive Tebow makes to win a game, his defense makes a critical stop to put him in that position in the first place. If you think that is all a result of Tebow's "willingness" than please vote him MVP, because if Tebow can cause all of those things just from his attitude and his faith in god than he truly would be the most valuable player to ever play the game.
Im a believer Denver is a good football team, with or without Tebow.
You're debating with the wrong guy lol. You're mad at Tebow mania fans and the media making Tebow a big deal because he's a hot story. I don't get into all of that.
Bandwagon fans will probably give Tebow all of the credit, but real fans will understand that, that defense is playing great and football is a team effort. Denver has stepped up and played A LOT better since Tebow took over. I don't care who you are or how great you are... You are nothing without your team. I do think Tebow has had a trickle down affect on the team though... They're playing with a different confidence and swagger.
You HAVE to give Tebow more than just OK credit though. He's playing the most important position in football. And it's not like he's just managing games... He's making plays with his legs and arm to win games. He's making plays and coming up HUGE when it matters. He doesn't seemed to be phased by pressure... He plays BETTER when there's pressure, which is rare in any sport. How can you not be excited by that??? He's a gamer.
He's not Aaron Rogers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, etc, etc... He's not an amazing passer, but he's improving every game.
I just don't understand why people just don't want to give this kid his props. He's 7-1 as a STARTER. 10 touchdowns to 1 intercetpion. 87.9 QB rating. Only 3 turnovers on the season. 3 rushing TD's... Almost 500 rushing yards. Like 7 comebacks lol. I mean, just give this kid his due. Who else in football has played through as much adversity as him? And yet, he isn't phased.
is the MVP of that team. Just get the ball on your side of the fifty and count to three(points). It must be nice to kick through such light air.
Seriously, though, I've been suprised at how Tebow has done. He might not be a typical QB, but he has the best arm of any fullback in the league.
Seriously, though, he has a tremendous will to win. His heart/guts often overcome his physical limitations.
Tebow will get votes most likely, although I believe they will be undeserved. Rodgers should be unanimous, but he won't be.
^^^ Man... Thanks for answering the question. That's all I was asking lol... Would anybody actually give him an MVP vote. I wasn't saying I would or he deserved them. Just wondering would somebody caught up in Tebow mania actually be bold enough to give him votes.
I think Rogers should be unanimous.
and for the record, im not a tebow hater. Im rooting for the guy to suceed. But unless they get some awesome stud running back or something, they are gonna eventually come down to reality becasue the offense as it exists now is not that good. I mean SD fumbled away the win in OT the other week when they were in fg range. Now chicago sucks at the end. The raiders blew a big second half lead. Broncos are a great story, but im putting my money on reality setting in soon.
@Scarecrow, If your thinking of coverting, I think we might have one more spot for you at the mosque, since you know what happened to this guy.
People have been saying that for quite a few weeks though... That reality would set in. That defenses would figure Tebow out. That Tebow can't take the pounding. That he can't throw well enough and on, and on, and on... Yet...
They keep winning lol. That's what so funny about this. Every week, the Broncos quiet critics.
I'll be impressed if he does it next week. He hasn't really beaten anyone good, and has only played two good offenses.
and how about this night game?
There's no way they beat the Patriots lol. I'd be SHOCKED if they win that game.
I can see it now though... Tebow somehow having a great passing game and people saying, "Well... That Patriots pass defense has been suspect all season though..."
Sucks to be that Dallas kicker.
Hey Fritz, Tebow does not have 2 losses. He is 7-1 as a starter.
The San Diego game that you keep refering to as a loss for him he did not start. Orton started the game and went 6-13 for 34 yards and an int. Tebow came into the game to start the 2nd half down 23-10. Ended up losing 29-24 and he had the Broncos in SD territory with a chance to win.
He IS 7-1.
Anyways, I was a Tebow hater in college, but after seeing his documentary on ESPN i have become a big Tebow fan. I dont understand how people can hate someone who seems so geniune and nice. As for his QB performance i think he is getting more comfortable and better as a passer. He started 3-16 today but there were 6 drops and his wr's were not helping him out. 18/24 in the 4th quarter and overtime. We have never seen anything like this and i am enjoying the ride. Must be fun to be a Broncos fan right now
Honestly, a lot of Tebow haters only exist because people, namely Skip Bayless, are so obnoxious in defending him. That aside, the dude is just powerful. He's built like a fullback and not even the great linebacking corps of Chicago could really stop him when he needed a first down. His passing stats weren't that bad either, and it was against a legit secondary. He's still pretty awful as a thrower, but when he does enough to win games, can anyone really complain?
That said, Tebow should thank God for his defense every night (something that I think he actually does anyway). They do enough to give him a chance to do something great nearly every game. It's pretty fun to watch.
Marion Barber lost that game by running out of bounds and fumbling. I didn't really see that game as Tebow winning it for the Broncos.
I'll admit Tebow is a winning type player, but lets be honest. Barber blew that game, it wasn't Tebow putting the team on his back and winning it.
I guess Tebow didn't lead the touchdown drive to put the Broncos behind three? I guess he didn't lead the drive to get them in FG range to take it into OT?
Man... It's like giving Tebow credit is like pulling teeth for some of y'all lol. Yea, Chicago made some bonehead plays, but Denver STILL had to capitalize on them.
Yeah Barber messed up big time, but Tebow and the broncos still had to capitalize and drove 39 yards in 40 seconds with no timeouts
I'm a Bears fan, I'm still bitter, lol. A great season has been flushed down the toilet due to injuries, they really needed the Denver win if they had any hopes of making the playoffs and Culter rejoining them.
I don't hate Tebow, i just get tired of hearing about him constantly. ESPN talks about him as much as they did Brett Farve contemplating retirement...It's just annoying. The dude is pretty clutch, I'll give him that.
Indiana I still dont understand why you are saying im not answering the question. All Im saying is I think its not time to put Tebow in MVP discussions yet. Rogers is playing the sport one could argue better than anyone ever right now and has his team undefeated. Im not saying you believe he is the MVP, Im saying I dont think Tebow is the MVP and obviously, for someone to vote for him they must think he is right? There are so many people out there that believe he is the MVP of the league and I think it is too soon to go there. So I dont think Tebow should get votes. If he can keep this up and beat the Pats and keep winning, I will give him consideration but I do want to see 4 full quarters of football from him in the next couple of games.
But do you guys not agree with me that Tebow has a luxery that not many other Quarterbacks have? Not putting up any points half way through the 4th quarter would be a definate loss for most other quarterbacks in the league. Such as my team the Panthers, who give up 28 points per game, Newton has to put up a ton of points, and if he doesnt theres no chance of winning. Tebow isnt as responsible for Denver's wins as Roger's is for Greenbay. That doesn't mean hes not getting them a lot more wins than they wouldn't of got but Denver's defense is what keeps them in games, and Tebow punishes other teams for not putting them away. He's been absolutely great at that. All im saying is putting other teams away (in my opinion) doesn't constitute the MVP because if Rogers was on the Broncos, there wouldnt be a defecit to come back from and miracle comebacks to be needed in the first place.
" I dont understand how people can hate someone who seems so geniune and nice'
Because he is the most overhyped player of all time and cant even run an NFL offense. He has to use the same one he ran in college and I guarantee you next year it will fail.
"As for his QB performance i think he is getting more comfortable and better as a passer. He started 3-16 today but there were 6 drops and his wr's were not helping him out. 18/24 in the 4th quarter and overtime."
6 drops? Prove it. Your seriously going to blame his WRs for Tebow awful arm? Just because your obsessed with him doesnt excuse his play (passing).
Yes There were 6 drops including Thomas dropping a long td pass. Decker and Thomas both had multiple drops.
" I dont understand how people can hate someone who seems so geniune and nice'
"Because he is the most overhyped player of all time and cant even run an NFL offense. He has to use the same one he ran in college and I guarantee you next year it will fail."
Ok so hate the media not him. He doesnt hype himself up.
I don't know if Denver had six drops, but there were quite a few. One of them was wide open with nobody in front of the receiver.
I think it's a little bit of both... Tebows accuracy isn't all that, plus his receivers aren't either. However, you have to give Tebow credit for going what... 18-24 during the fourth quarter and OT? That's great right there.
Tebow is overrated by the media, etc but he's a decent player who's got a whole lot of winning intangibles. He's clutch. He's going to get better and be a winning quarterback in the NFL... That's so easy to see right now.
And you didnt watch the game so dont talk to me about his performance.
You suck at analyzing games so your word means nothing. They have 20 drops all season and your saying they had 6 in his first 16 passes? Yeah right.
Maybe if he would shut the hell up about god every sentence he might be tolerable. But just because you have a new mancrush doesnt mean anyone else has to like a gimmick offense that doesnt throw the ball well. Thats your preference.
I watched the whole game and saw multiple drops. Espn said they had 6. Why does him talking about God matter? and its not as gimmicky of an offense as people seem to think it is. It is not this crazy georgia tech option attack
Because its annoying. Who wants to listen to the same 'praise god blah blah blah' every single interview when its not relevant at all? Its still a gimmick offense. It may not be a triple option but I never said it was. Its a gimmick and gimmick do not last.
"Maybe if he would shut the hell up about god every sentence he might be tolerable"
This quote right here reveals your real motives behind having a problem with Tebow, which is sad.
Why should you care if he gives all glory to God and is strong about what he believes in? I don't get people's problem with this. I mean, does it make you insecure or feel uncomfortable or something?
Read above. I hated him before I knew about his god rants so no your wrong. But it certainly doesnt make me like him more.
Ok dont listen to his interviews. Bingo Problem solved