*Off topic* Apologies
Politics!!!
This is a basketball forum...
If you want to discuss politics with passion go here..
http://www.politicalforum.com/forum.php?s=534819d05db6e7a98063bb5ed9aaffdf
Otherwise, if you want to discuss passionate basketball, stay here!
Just no more politics.
On the main page, or on this basketball board in general, have always been a disaster waiting to happen. I think this is why, as ChriJoll said, we do have an "Off-Topic" forum. I have my own political beliefs and affiliations that I find are radically different from some here. Every time I find that out, I wish I knew less about their political affiliation. We are here to hopefully talk about basketball, which I tend to think is not effected by the Presidency.
I understand the Presidency effects us in many other aspects of our life and I encourage people to research both sides coming to an informed decision. Hell, I was a Political Science major, I follow politics and try to know what is going on, I know that the RNC was big news. Also know that people do not necessarily like the GOP, and at the same time have seen many people on here voice there displeasure over Barack Obama. My hope would be, it does not turn into an unpleasant situation with mud slinging back and forth.
We come here to talk about basketball. I know every now and than there is a huge phenomena or event that we try to drop in the main forum to get the most views/feedback. Well, when politics are involved, I urge people to post it in the "Off-Topic" section, if anywhere. You may not get the same views, but chances are you will get replies and things will never get as ugly as they did with the post the original poster is referring to. SubZero, glad you apologized, hope that we keep things basketball and keep our political affiliations out of it.
I APOLOGIZE for VENTING Some Anger on a Basketball Site...I've been a member of this site for over 3 years and have been coming year reading sbout the draft,since 2004...And always posting non basketball related material in the Off Topic section..
But i watching the GOP Convention on DVR while i was viewing some posts on here..And it just made me sick...All the lies,token minorities on stage and the use of the''N'' word been yelled in the crowd..
And To see 2 guys that want to run this country telling Blantant lie after lie..Would you trust them behind closed doors,if they lie like that to your face?
Republicans made a pledge from the day Obama was in office to do all they could to make him a 1 term president..Even if it hurts theamerican people..Then they come out 1 after the other saying he hasnt done a thing...
Im also sorry,kids like Sub-Zero have been brainwashed...Saying Obama hates white people, when the man grew up around them....And im sorry Sub-Zero thinks that those 2 idiots Herman Cain or Alan Keyes, would be better president than Obama, when Keyes and Cain own family members didnt vote for them....
Every party that loses to a president serving his first term wants to make them a one term president! Think that the Democrats said, "Hey, lets see how this Bush guy does in his second term before we really go after it again"? HELL NO. I didn't want George W. Bush to get a first or second term, it happened and believe me their were tons of people from the Democratic party trying to stop it (had friend work his @ss off for John Kerry in '04, feel like a failure even though he won our state). So, to make it seem like the Republicans flipping out about Obama is any different than the Democrats flipping about Bush is more about the way they do it rather than it being done. Either way, both parties generally want anyone other than a candidate from their opposing party.
Man, saying a person is brainwashed is all an opinion. I am a liberal and I have a set of beliefs I tend to hold. I have a hard time not yelling at the TV when I hear something I think is bull$hit. Still, what can you do about it? You think saying they are "brainwashed" is going to help your cause? Come on, man! The guy apologized for the things he said, leave it at that. Their are a lot of things I hear that piss me off, I can understand that saying "Obama hates white people" is fairly infuriating. Still, if he believes it, their is not much you can do other than say, "I respectfully disagree" (or some sarcastic remark would do). Chances of getting a person to change their political beliefs on a basketball forum are slim.
The camera woman incident made me sick. It sucked. But, there are idiots everywhere. There were two there who did something stupid and disgusting. It made their party look bad. Still, it does not necessarily represent the entire party. There are sports fans who make their team look awful as well, that does not mean every fan of that team is a bad person. I understand your distaste with the convention, just think this was the wrong place to bring it up and a great way to start something that will end poorly. If you want to do that, the "Off-Topic" section is a MUCH better place and is checked by hardcore posters here. Still, posting political opinion here is usually not going to end well. While I somewhat understand where you are coming from, Rudeboy_, I disliked your execution and I have no idea why you felt a need to call this guy apologizing "brainwashed". Just totally works against what you are trying to get across.
The problem is we have no political moderates running for office. Also the fact that you have to be blue or red or you won't get the backing is the other problem , why can't you find a middle ground between both parties and run with that? I personally don't like either candidate as president but feel we are better off letting someone else give it a try since Obama showed himself to be no different than the politicians he criticized. If only we could actually live in a world where capitalism is applauded , gays could gets married , abortion is not looked upon as evil , the national government stops trying to regulate every little thing , marijuana is legalized , stem cell research is heavily funded , and we stop taking care of people who have no interest in taking care of themselves maybe we could figure it out as a country. Unfortunately this country is led by people in both parties that don't believe in compromise one bit.
I actually think the Democratic party could be considered moderates because they are only slightly less azzholish than the Republican Party.
It's pathetic that this country only has two legitimate parties. There is the far far far right Republicans and the in the middle Democrats. There needs to be a far far left party to even things out.
I disagree , I see too much of the extremist agendas on both sides of the line. I simply don't believe in any of our current candidates and the only guy I wanted to be a VP candidate didn't get the nod. Eventually I will vote for somebody who figures it out and has their priorities straight , eventually we as a country will elect for somebody who knows what they are doing and is also likeable. Only if I could vote for Bubba Clinton again , it's depressing voting honestly! I am losing faith in the process every election as I get older.
My two cents, Bush ruined the economy(And I'd love to hear someone argue otherwise), Obama promised to restore it and dig us out of the hole Bush dug, but has been unseccesfull thus far. I was only 11 and 12 at the time of the last election, but at that time I said that regardless of who won bringing the economy back to what it used to be would be a near impossible task. Obama hasn't done anything spectacular in office, you can even call it a bad job for all I care, but to say more than that would be unfair and innacuarate. The problem with our democracy is that there are two schools of thought which differentiate quite a bit, Democrats and Republicans, and for anything to happen you need all of your party and a good chunk of the other in your favor, that's the problem, and that's why nothing ever gets done, Democrats shoot down the Republicans' ideas, and Republicans shoot down the Democrats' ideas, and nothing ever gets passed.
Bush didn't ruin the economy, he just finished the job.
Since Reagan, everything has been done to redistribute money from the poor and the middle class to the rich. (Actually, it started with Carter; but Carter wanted to fight inflation, it was not an ideological move.) The consequences are well known: almost all the wealth created in the last 30 years has gone in the pocket of the "1%" (or even less). The income gap has grown tremendously, a situation "solved" by a credit frenzy; without the credit bubble, aggregate demand would have been too low and the economy would have faltered. It didn't falter, it just exploded.
More inequality > credit bubble > crash. The same happened in 1929.
Hey guys, I'm sorry for the way I came off on that Clint Eastwood topic. I'm just very passionate about this issue because I believe with all my heart that Obama is the worst choice possible to be our President. BUT, that doesn't mean everyone else has to agree with me. I don't really see why how I said what I said was different than how Rudeboy said what he said, but no one agrees with me here so it doesn't really matter. I can be very stubborn a lot of times, and when it's something this important I can get a little worked up. I guess me and akhan just butted heads a little (no hard feeling akhan)
Again, I don't take back what I said, but I'm sorry.