Off topic AFL
Aussies rules is the main sport here in Australia and yesterday played the first game out of the country for premiership points. This has then raised the point, and made me curious about how the game has reached America (as I feel most people on this forum are Americans).
I love the game and wanted to see what Americans think of the game, or anyone on this forum who isn't Australian. Do you think the game is soft, hard, skillful, difficult and the general perception of the game. Always been curious and thought this was a perfect opportunity to.
I think there is a little bit of it played along with cricket in america. Its only at a social / local level - mainly made up of ozzies.
I have played both sports (not at a high level) - I think the complete level of the AFL keeps rising and rising and gets more physical each year. Even the local leagues are pretty hard with their training
Its no secret drugs are involved in AFL and NRL - look at the size of some of these guys...
Drugs have never been a really huge thing in AFL. Although there is a recent scandal involving a club it is not something i feel will make a world of difference and if anything is a technicality. I would have thought afl/nrl players were smaller compared to American sports?
"Its no secret drugs are involved in AFL and NRL - look at the size of some of these guys"
Who are you talking about they are not huge. I can't speak about the size of AFL player but NRL players are not huge. The biggest NRL players are smaller than NFL Tight Ends and the like.
They used to be alot bigger but now they would be quite similar - chuck on an AFL game from the 70's and have a look at the physiques.
I have friends that used to play in the AFL and they can testify to that. Even in the 90's there was some stat like approx 50% of AFL and 75% of NRL use drugs. Now those stats would be even higher....
Its used in all sorts of sports - Nascar. Even john mcenroe the tennis player admitted to using.
I have to say I disagree highly with those Stats and the notion that it would be higher atm. It really isn't as predominant in the game, at least AFL.
As a Kiwi it is natural for me to hate AFL. The NRL on the other hand is great to watch. Drugs are in all sports but those stats about drug usage in the NRL being thrown out there are completely wrong. Being an ozzie my dad loves Arial Ping-Pong(AFL) but I can't stand it. Why did they play in New Zealand, Rugby will always be No.1 league will be No.2 and AFL won't EVER be in the picture.
If they took out marking the ball it could we watchable but the whistle is blown all the time. I wouldn't call them soft but they are not even close to as hard a League players.
I have agree with you that it is terrible to watch when the whistle is blown too much, it makes it less interesting to watch. But when the umpires put the whistle away and don't call to many free kicks it is great to watch. I do believe the NRL is 'harder' in terms of hits however, AFL players are much more conditioned and skilled.
I got really into AFL a few years back, my beloved Eagles weren't doing great, but a dream-team competition kept me engaged with most games.
However, then I really started to appreciate basketball, and really, AFL bores me to tears these days.
The lack of professionalism by players in the AFL is appalling; simple skills like catching a ball and being able to kick straight are completely lacking in many players, which is ridiculous.
The sport in general is on the decline in my opinion due to the success of "ugly" tactics which have made it less watchable.
Namely, the use of zone. I hate zones in basketball, and I HATE seeing it in the AFL.
The concept of forward pressure is all well and good, but it ruins the balance on the field when you do it with a zone and so many players just mob the ball. Constant stoppages and boring play results.
Like flooding worked for Sydney back in the mid-00s but was bad from a purist perspective, and Hawthorn's appalling tactic of kicking deliberate behinds every time Geelong was close to scoring in the grand final a few years back, there are too many rules which can be exploited by a canny coach, and the game is evolving in a bad way as a result.
There's less focus on skill and more on strategy, which takes away some of the great storylines and images you love to see in all sports; i.e. the defensive stopper vs the unstoppable scorer.
Where it's still visually pleasing, where zone isn't as apparent in the pro-game (although it does seem to have picked up lately) and basic skills like passing or shooting are better than your average weekend warrior.
As an Aussie, I actually don't like AFL much. Rugby league is much better. I can however say that the majority of players in both codes are drug free. Jesse Williams(I think that's his name) about to be drafted in the NFL is bigger than ANY NRL player. My interest in basketball was actually started when my mate and I started playing NBA Live 95 :-)
That is actually how my love for the game started. MY sisters boyfriend at the time handed it to me and asked me if i wanted to play, from what I can remember it was the nba live 2003 with Jason Kidd on the cover, and it grew from there.
Not sure why I got negged for telling the truth ?
I know alot of top athletes, trainers, physio etc and even a few guys that supply the stuff that goes to these athletes.
You hear it all the time "xyz has put on 6-10kg in the offseason". I have been training for 20 years and there would only be a handful of guys that I have met that could stack on 6-10kg naturally in 5 months....