Top Ten Players of the Decade
1. Shaq - Dominated the first half of the decade.
2. Duncan - Leader of the most consistent team of the decade.
3. Lebron - Will most likely end up as the best player on this list.
4. Wade - Only injuries can stop D-Wade. You could easily argue he's the best player in the league...no one does though.
5. Kobe - Can't deny the talent, but I don't think he ever learned to use that talent as effectively as he should have.
6. Dirk - A little overlooked when you consider how far the Mavericks have come since he joined them.
7. Kidd - The best PG in the game since Stockton left.
8. KG - The David Robinson of the decade. Great all-around game, never could carry a team all the way on his own though.
9. Nash - Probably wasn't quite good enough to win 2 MVP's, but he brought a lot of excitement back to the game.
10. Iverson/Billups - Two totally different games at the same position, but I have a hard time putting one above the other considering their achievements.
Dirk at #6? No T-Mac? Iverson at #10? Tied with Billups, r u kidding me?
You make compelling arguments, clippers. But, no, I'm not kidding.
Pierce, Carter, and T-mac are all better than Billups
T-mAc doesn't deserve it but was memorable that comeback against Spurs and that dunk over Bradley
Carter and T-mac aren't winners though. Billups won with the Pistons and he's improved the nugs
Pretty good, I would make an argument about that Wade is teh absolute best player in the league cause he's awesome, but I would put Pierce in.
how is he not no.3 lebron may be on par with him now but this list is of the decade and kobe has played all 10 years while lebron has played about half and "kobe didnt use his talent as well has he should have" are you joking? kobe has the best work ethic in the league and to put wade over kobe is just straight up outrageous
there is no way lebron or dwade come in front of Kobe, i mean its somewhat close but kobe has more championships than them both along with an MVP season last year.
but i do like the billups pick.. won multiple championships and just look what hes doing with the nuggets this year. solid choice.
also i would prob move iverson to 4 or 5
minus Kobe's 3 rings(thanx 4ever shaq) as a B) player Wade has clearly done more with much less as he supermanned the Title & real MVP with Kobe's trash(shaq & payton)
Kobe's biggest A) player accomlishment: Blowing a 3-1 series lead to the defenseless Suns(who never even made it to a Finals let alone win 1)
So, "outrageous" that's a bit of an overstatement, don't ya think?
& Kobe still needs the most dominate/talented inside game in the league to have a legit shot at a title(Gasol, Odom, & Bynum)......NO EFFECTIVE BYNUM & NO CHAMPIONSHIP...GUARANTEED!!! Wow, Kobe needs a lot of help!
13 years of evidence to support that.
He is still Gr8 though.
Kobe's black & white commercial where he hits the game winner against the Suns.....Isn't that the prelude to Kobe choking the series away...LOL
I've never understood this undying devotion that people seem to express towards Kobe, although I do realize he is an extremely polarizing talent/personality.
I just think Wade and James right now are far and away better players than Kobe has ever been in his career (check the efficiency ratings for statistical evidence), and like Jordan, they both have the innate ability to make their teammates better. Kobe's always been more content to jack up contested threes, and while he may make a few, this type of offense doesn't do his teammates any favors. I also believe Kobe's defensive statistics bear out the fact that while he may be a great perimiter defender, he doesn't apply the defensive effort as consistently as he could, and saves himself for offense.
He's still #5 on the list, though, so don't despair too much.
As for Iverson, his teams haven't enjoyed the consistent success that many of the other guys on the list have, and he is a career 42% shooter, which has always bothered me.
Kobe needs way too much help, he has never accomplished anything on his own, not even in the same category as Lebron and Wade?
I don't expect everybody to like him, but at least be realistic if you are gonna hate on the guy. I guess Shaq won those titles all by himself. Carrying Smush, Walton, and Kwame to the playoffs 2 straight years in a tough western confrence also is'nt as bad as people seem to think. And how is Wade doing in this years playoffs again? Oh that's right, he is at home.
I would put Pierce at 10....
but if i recall right d-wade won a ring b/c of shaq too and has been a mess without him"worst record in NBA last year" and yes i agree with u lebron would win championships with kobe's supporting cast but the bottom line is he did so stop playing the "what if game" the post is titled the "best players of the decades" not "if maybe these players had good supporting casts who would be the best"
Paul Pirece gets slept on. He is better than Dirk and Billups in my opinion. Lebrons the man but show me that ring. I like iverson too, but wheres that ring.
haha...i love this post. People will defend their favorite players to the bitter end. I agree with the original post. I think?? lol Yall are crazy to think Tmac is up there. He is finnaly out of the first round and its because he is hurt.
You agree Dirk and Billups two of the best of the decade? lol
Either you are joking, or you must be smoking. Kobe is the BEST PLAYER OF THE LAST DECADE. Look at it like this.
- 5 seconds on the clock and your team has the ball. Who do you want to take the shot (in the NBA over the past decade)?
- Best perimeter player has ball (besides Kobe) with 5 seconds left. Who do you take to defend him (any player over the past decade)?
The answer to both of these is KOBE BRYANT. Stop hating, if statistics meant everything, Mr. Bigshot wouldn't even make your list. He deserves to be there though, ask the Nuggets. So many Jordan lovers just deny his greatness, sure Wade and Bron are great, but Kobe defined it in the most athletic decade the NBA has ever seen.
How is Iverson on your list? WTF did he do? He's the worst teammate on earth, who would want him. Not to mention, he proved his worth in Denver. Many guys in the NBA can average 1 point for 1 FG attempt, many just don't get a shot to like Iverson. Seriously how is he on your list? He can't defend, (he can GAMBLE and get steals, usually just ends up out of position) forget it, I'm done. I could name 25 guys I'd rather have than that cancer.
Even still top 10 player in the last decade is crazy, just crazy. I have always been a Chauncey fan, but no way is he a top 10 player in the last 10 years.
Billups is overrated,
People do not realize the fact that he SUCKED in his FIRST 5 years in the NBA
Billups should be ranked like #16 on this list.
YOU FORGOT AMARE STOUDAMIRE, AND YAO MING TOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
maybe not on tallent alone but billups sure can win...and dirk was an MVP before Kobe
Other players got MVP when Jordan was playing,did not mean they deserved it. Dirk should not have one. I think Dirk is a hell of a player but MVP of the league nope. Jordan was the best player every year all day everyday, but other cats still got MVP so it don't put Dirk in the top ten over Pierce=MVP OF THE FINALS last year.
I wasn't sold on CBIL either, but Denver is a legitimate team now. All thanks to that glue piece. I don't think Billups is overrated, at one time I thought so, but he is more than a proven WINNER. He took big shots, over and over, and is always the answer for his team. You just have to give props to a winner, especially a guy who wasn't even "worth" having at one time.
i think KG should be ahead of Wade, Dirk, and Kidd. his resume is pretty complete. i'd put Kobe at #4 followed by KG. The Big Ticket has the ring, the MVP, and the all around game that absolutely has to rank him ahead of Dirk and Kidd. Wade will likely surpass him, so i wont really argue that. the top two is on point and should be set in stone. LBJ may be a stretch at #3 at this point, but in the end i think he'll be the best to ever lace em up. i really dont think Chauncey belongs on this list either, especially ahead of The Truth.
1) Timmy Duncan - Was good every year in the 2000's, and won three rings. He is simply the PF to ever play.
2) Shaquille O'Neal - Would be #1 but he tailed of too hard in the later half of the decade.
3) Kobe Bryant - Would be higher as well but we all know that Shaq carried him during his championship years, but I don't think Shaq could have won without Kobe as well.
4) Lebron James - He's taken a garbage team to the finals, he's about to win this years MVP and the scary thing is that he is not done improving. Once he wins one he'll be ahead of Kobe.
5) Dwayne Wade - He would be the leagues best player, but there is a guy named LeBron who will forever overshadow him. He would have to do a lot more amazing things before he can be ahead of #3 and #4.
6) Kevin Garnett - He has always had the skills, but he could never get the right talent in Minnesota to get the job done. However he finally got one in Boston. He is one of the most complete forwards to play the game.
7) Allen Iverson - In his prime he was the absolute best scorer in the league. He took a team full of bums to the finals just like LeBron, but never got close after that. Easily the toughest guy in the league.
8) Jason Kidd - He can make the worst players in the league look good. He is one of those rare guys who can get a triple dub every game, but he'll never get the respect because he hasn't won a ring.
9) Vince Carter - The most athletic guy to ever play the game. He would be higher as well but he could never win the games that count. He came close to the finals but he missed the game winner in game 7 vs. the 76ers. Maybe he should have skipped his graduation that day lol.
10) Dirk Nowitzki - He has one of the most unique games in the league with his ability to shot from anywhere on the court at 7 foot. He is one of the hardest guys to check.
Honorable Mentions - T-Mac, Chris Webber, and Paul Pierce
i really like your list and i think you have the right 10 guys. howeva, the more i think about it the more i think KG belongs in the top 4. i did some research to add to what we all know already. He's got a ring, an MVP, a DPOY, 12 time all star, 9 time All Defense, 9 time All NBA, most 20-10-5 seasons all time, 4 time RPG leader, 20 triple doubles, 1 of 4 players in history to lead his team in all 5 major statistical categories, and the only player in league history with 20,000 points, 11,000 rebounds, 4,000 assists, 1,200 steals, and 1,500 blocks in his playing career. we all know the type of leader/teammate he is on top of that. Right this moment, i think he belongs at #4. After LBJ gets his MVP and ring this year i'd slide KG down to #5. i think he absolutely must be ranked ahead of Flash. if anyone put him at #3 i wouldnt dispute it at all.
KG didn't have as good a decade as Dirk. The stats are relatively close (KG was a better rebounder, Dirk a better shooter/scorer), but the Mavs never won less than 50 games in a season in the 00's. Dirk also lead a team to the Finals...something KG never did until he got 2 other superstars along side him.
Vince Carter doesn't belong anywhere near this list. He finished in the top 10 in MVP exactly 0 times this decade.
Chauncey Billups' stats since he joined the Pistons are on par with (or better than) just about any other point guard in the league. If I had to win one playoff series, I'd take Billups over Iverson or Pierce any day, without question.
Lebron or Wade would have won three (possibly more) championships if they had been paired with Shaq on those Lakers teams. They are better now than Kobe ever was. The stats bear that out.
I like the original top 10, but I would have to put Tony Parker at number 10 ahead of Iverson and Billups. Iverson is an incredible talent, but never learned to defer to teammates. Billups has a similar resume in many respects, but I don't feel that he can command and take over a game in transition the same way as Parker.
11. Iverson - Drop him down just a notch below Chauncey, because I think Billups has proven himself more valuable in the last year.
12. Pierce - Finals MVP played on some really bad teams.
13. Tony Parker - An overshadowed talent, that might just now be reaching his peak.
14. Amare - On pace to revolutionize the position before the knee injury.
15. T-Mac - One insane year, a lot of bad teams, and a lot of injuries. What could have been...
16. Yao - Injuries/excessive off-season activity have limited ability to dominate for a full season.
17. Arenas - Injuries hit right as he was about to hit his peak.
18. Ray Allen - Best shooter of the era.
19. Vince - He did start off the decade relatively strong. Just above-average, at best, since then.
20. Pau/Bosh - Quality big men who have spent too much time in bad franchises.
I have read all these posts and there are so many agreements and arguments to be made, but there are a few that I think are absolute:
** Tim Duncan and Shaquille O'Neal are #1a and #1b for best player of the decade. Not worth debating whether Shaq's dominance in the Lakers' three-peat outweighs Duncan's consistency from beginning to end. Those are the top 2.
** Rings are important, but should not be making people's decisions. Chauncey Billups is an excellent player, but chances are he doens't make the HOF (he does have time to build on his resume). Allen Iverson is unquestionably a top 40 player of all time. Billups may be top 20-25 of the decade, but he is below the following, in no particular order: Kidd, Garnett, Nowitzki, James, Wade, Bryant, Nash, Allen, Pierce, McGrady, Yao.
** Lebron and DWade are definitely in there. Michael Jordan played as many full seasons in the 90s as these 2 have in the 2000s, anyone going to argue he was not the best of the 90s. Other than their rookie years (03-04), these guys have been in the handful of best players in the league, and will finish the decade as arguably #1 and #2.
tim duncan, shaq, kobe, lebron, d wade, kevin garnett, dirk, jason kidd, paul pierce, tony parker. first seven are the best no doubt. all won championships or led teams to finals with lesser talent. jason kidd led the nets to 2 finals and the best point guard statistically the last decade. paul pierce has been a monster all decade with a ring now. and tony parker has 3 rings and a finals mvp. the only other people you could put in the top 10 are chauncey billups, 1 ring 1 finals mvp. steve nash, 2 mvps and multiple deep playoff runs. that is it, everyone else is not close.
Just a few comments on Billups, and why he is better than Iverson, even statistically.
1. The Pistons played one of the slowest paces of any team in the league this decade. That's why his per-game numbers seem low, but his PER numbers since he joined Detroit are on par with or above Iverson's.
2. He is arguably a better outside shooter than anyone in the league over the past 10 years. He shot over 39% from 3 with over 300 attempts in 7 of the last 8 seasons.
3. Best player on a team that went to at least the Eastern Conference Finals 6 straight years, with 2 Finals appearances in there.
4. One more Finals MVP than Kobe, Dirk, Kidd, Nash, KG, and Iverson.
Thats it. Only reason tmac doesnt have a ring is cuz the Magic wasted his prime by never getting him help.
the stats are not close. Dirk has never been as good player as KG. He's never even been 20-10. He's never averaged even 4 assists. his blocks and steals averages are well below KGs. and many would argue that he didnt deserve his MVP. he plays no defense either. i think you're rewarding Dirk for having better teammates and punishing KG for finally getting some. Dirk has had future HOFer Nash along with all stars like Mike Finley, and Josh Howard over the years plus help from guys like Jamison, Walker, and Stack with zero rings to show. KG had Sprewell, Cassell, Brandon and not much else worth noting. the only thing Dirk has over KG is scoring and thats 22ppg to 20. KG is a better leader, rebounder, passer, defender, shot blocker, and steals guy who has a much bigger impact on games.
Players with no rings or Finals MVPs : Patrick Ewing, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, John Stockton. Sometimes the cards just don't fall into place, it does not diminish any accomplishments. And for everyone putting such an emphasis on winning--- 1 year ago KG did not have a ring, is that really what makes him a no-brainer for this list ? NO. It is the decade of playing great basketball. Also, Tony Parker has just stepped into the group of truly elite players this year. his finals mvp is nice, but everyone still knows Tim Duncan was their best and most important player regardless. The Cavs couldn't guard Parker so he lit them up in that sweep. But to say that Tony Parker is a top 10 player of the decade is a big reach.
Robert Horry has more rings than he knows what to do with, and he played a very big role on each of those championship teams, but he isn't one of the top 100 players of the last 20 years.
i tend to agree. look at Elway for instance. was he not legendary already before the 2 rings? unfortunately, that has become the accepted way to gauge careers. sometimes i think any al star guard from Shaq's prime could have won a ring teamed with The Big Aristotle! T-mac, VC, Kidd, Iverson. i think thats not too unrealistic. just speculation though.
my problem with Billups is i'm not sure he has ever been the best player on his own teams. with that title team one could make an argument that all 5 starters were equally important. Rasheed was undoubtedly the most talented. Big Ben was their heartbeat. Rip was the scorer. Prince was the perimeter stopper/jack of all trades, and Billups was the unquestioned leader. i have a hard time putting Billups on a list full of franchise players when he is obviously not one himself.
The stats are definitely close. Check their PER numbers over the last 10 years. Dirk changes the game on offense the way KG changes the game on defense. There is no way you could pick one over the other based purely on stats. Dirk scores more, shoots better and turns the ball over less. He is a significantly better offensive weapon. KG is a significantly better defensive player.
I am not punishing KG, as much as I am rewarding Dirk for being the best player on a very good team.
Yeah you guys are really overrating guys just because they have rings. Parker and Billups are good but not all-time greats. You guys are basically saying Parker and Billups are better than Gary Payton and Stockton, if rings are the only things that matter.
but the gap between KGs offense and Dirk's offense is many times smaller than the gap between their defensive contributions. Dirk is not significantly better on offense. he's a significantly better shooter. Dirk is a liability on defense. They call him Irk because there's no D. a guy who averages a basket more a game is not significantly better. KG has been better in the post, at the rim, and on the break. KG is a career 50% shooter to Dirk's 47% since Dirk spends so much time shootig from the outside. They have completely different offensive games, but i think calling Dirk significantly better offensively is dead wrong. as far as PER i'm not going to support John Hollinger and his quirky formulas. i'll take you at your word on that.
Dirk's a 7-footer that can handle the ball reasonably well, shoots 40% from the 3, and can post you up inside. That type of versatility is unmatched in the league, and creates ridiculous matchup problems for opposing defenses. In that respect, Dirk is a much bigger threat on offense than KG. The same way, KG's presence can create problems for opposing offenses.
I know everyone loves KG, and his incredible all-around game, but he's not a player who can throw his team on his back and take over a game offensively. Dirk can do that.
Quit complaining about Dirk;s defense, Nash shouldn't even be there.
all that said, who do you really believe is more valuable to a team? i think if you asked all 30 GMs who you would rather have on your team this decade, at least 25 would say KG, if not 29. he's just more of an impact player.
Hands down KG is a better ball player. With the list T-Mac in his prime was as good as Kobe on the offensive side. You have to put a repeat MVP in Nash on the list. I think when we ask this question a year from now CP3 well be on the list.
Dirk cant mess with KG man no way. I think Garnett is the best defensive player in the history of basketball. I remeber dude sticking point guards when he first came in the NBA and shutting them down. He also has offense too. No not the shooting of Dirk, but his J is money too from 19 in. KG is better than Dirk.
I'll take Dirk over KG. I think his offensive repertoire is more valuable over the course of a season. I think a lot of GM's would agree, but I've already made the case over and over.
So we'll just have to agree to disagree, unless someone can make a more compelling argument than "I remember dude sticking point guards" or "Hands down KG is a better ball player."
all those accolades that i mentioned arent compelling to you? Dirk's resume doesnt come close to matching KGs. can you come up with a better argument than PER and you like his offense? hows this? its really not even close.
KG: 12 allstars, 9 all defense, 9 all nba, 1 MVP, 1 DPOY, 1 Championship, Most 20-10-5 seasons all time, 1 of 4 all time to lead team in all 5 statistical categories, career avgs, 20.2 ppg,11.1 rpg, 4.3, ast, 1.4 stl, 1.6 blk
Dirk: 8 all stars, 8 all nba, 1 MVP, career avgs. 22.7ppg, 8.6 rpg, 2.7 ast, .9 steal, 1 block
Damn I think alphamale makes a good case for KG, personally I would pick KG because he has been second to Duncan as the best power foward this decade....
I love Dirk but KG is better. He is waaay more complete. What yall need to be arguing about is the fact that people think Tony Parker and Billups should be in the top ten.
You just can't make the case, statistically...unless you completely ignore PER, turnovers and 3pt shooting %, which you may choose to do, at your own peril. KG's been in the league longer than Dirk, also, so scratch the All-Star and All-NBA team argument.
Dirk's team was consistently better than KG's team. There's the tiebreaker for me.
I appreciate that this is certainly a debatable issue, but I think it leans toward Dirk.