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Top point guards not shooting gaurds in nation

Jimmer Fredette, Kemba Walker, Cameron Wells, Nolan Smith, Jordan Taylor, Isaiah Thomas, Andrew Goudelock, Corey Fisher, Tu Holloway, Demitri McCamey........... These are my top ten. I didn't put guys on there who play two guard and will have to play point in nba. Andrew Goudelock plays the 2 sometimes just like Jimmer and Kemba because they can make it rain from deep! Also there are younger point guards on their teams who get playing time. Cameron, Demitri, Nolan, Isaiah and Corey are pure point guards that can score and guard the other teams best guard. Look for all of these guys to be collecting a check next nba season................... Jimmer leads the nation in scoring, Kemba is right behind him and Andrew is 5th in the nation. I think Cameron is the all around better pg, but Jimmer has put up Pistol Pete numbers this year. Look for Jimmer to get either the BoB Cousey award or Player of the year, maybe both. Andrew and Cameron play in the SoCon so they are underrated but both have been on the all confernce team last two years and Cameron won the freashman of the year over Andrew. Their sophmore year i think they were both on the 2nd all conference team because of Stephon Curry. Andrew put up a career high 39 yesterday with 8 three pointers in the win over Dayton. Google: Wells-Goudelock its one my favorite interviews of the two guards


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you realize kyrie irving isnt

you realize kyrie irving isnt on your list right?

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Dude said Cameron Wells is

Dude said Cameron Wells is 3rd.

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You do know that Kemba is the

You do know that Kemba is the BEST guard in the country right?

Let me remind you......Won the Maui Invitational Tournament and Big East Championship with a mediocore team, competed against the likes of good guards such as........Peyton Siva, Chris Wright, Scoop Jardine, Corey Fisher, Maalik Wayns, Dwight Hardy,Austin Freeman, Ben Hansbrough, Dion Dixon, Cashmere Wright, Marshon Brooks, Vincent Council...Need I say more?

Jimmer is not above Kemba yes he's having a great year but he's in the Mountain West and he's not really competing against high level teams (Except for SDSU)or guards, Kemba night in night out is competing against the best, in the BEST CONFERENCE.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but Kemba makes a damn good case for Best guard in the country and POTY.

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I like Scoop Jardine's game,

I like Scoop Jardine's game, I really do. He lacks nba quickness but is a great leader. Jimmer is better than Kemba. Jimmer handes doubles team like its one player. He is the best scorer in the nation hands down! Unlimited range, he shoots 30 and 35 footers with tha ball in his right and left hand with no effort. Kemba can ball and i don't agree their team is not averge!! Lamb won that game against syracuse just as much as Kemba! Take Kemba off Uconn then take Jimmer off BYU.... Uconn is a great defensive and rebounding team. Byu is average but with Jimmer they are ranked higher than Uconn.. As for Siva, great young talent but needs to develop a lil more. No doubt in my mind he will make the league but no need for him to rush. Ben is good but he struggles anytime a great long defender guards him. Despite his high basketball IQ he will force shots and take his team out of the game. Yes i put Cameron on my top ten, have you seen him play? Cameron was freshman of the year, then 3 straight all conference teams selections. Including being an All-American... Cam leads his team in almost every category every year he has been there. How many point guards on your list lead their team in scoring, assists, steals, and rebounding at 5 a game over four years! Also Cam gets to line and is shooting 83 percent. There are only three point guards in the nation that have made more free throws this year( Jimmer, Holloway, and Hardy) By the way Halloway's shooting percentage is less than Cameron's.......Pick your top ten and post them. Look at their averages and the percentage of their teams stats. My top ten is the top ten scouts are looking at....

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Nice. Although Jimmer hasn't

Nice. Although Jimmer hasn't quite put up Pistol P stats. Pistol averaged 43ppg plus each year. I know that seems like fiction since no one has even come close to that.

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Very true!!!!!! I see you

Very true!!!!!! I see you know your b-ball!!!!!!!! I don't think anyone will every match that but, Jimmer's handle on the ball and range remind me of none other than Pistol Pete!!!! Had to give you a thumbs up on that one!!!!!!

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what bout kyrie irving, jacob

what bout kyrie irving, jacob pullen, kalin lucas? good list though...

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My Top Ten Pgs.

  1. Kemba Walker
  2. Jordan Taylor
  3. Cameron Wells
  4. Kyrie Irving
  5. Jimmer Fredette
  6. Isaiah Thomas
  7. Andrew Goudelock
  8. Corey Fisher
  9. Tru Holloway
  10. Demitri McCamey

Most of the pgs on here are scoring pgs. Cameron Wells is the best pure point on this list with Jordan Taylor & Kyrie Irving. Kemba Walker is explosive & aggressive.

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Good list with Krie Irving!

Good list with Krie Irving! Cameron is a monster out there, way to underrated!!

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Why are you making these fake

Why are you making these fake accounts to hype up Cameron Wells. Listen Cam...your not making the NBA. Just deal with it. Lucky for you youve got an oppurtunity to get a nice education. Take advantage of that and maske a good career out of it. BTW Kemba Walker didnt become the top gaurd in the nation by posting threads in forums about how good he is, it takes work. Go work on your game or somethbng if you wanna be like him.

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riddimspoons....I'll put it

riddimspoons....I'll put it this way lol Scoop Jardine is better than just about ever MWC guard besides Jimmer so you go figure...Kemba is night in night out against top competition...He's better than Jimmer just face it, he's proved it.

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Did you guys forget that

Did you guys forget that Kyrie Irving is the best pg this year?

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Some constructive criticism to the author of this thread.

@riddimspoons1: I have some constructive criticism for you that I think you might want to take into account the next time you post on this site. I have been a member of this site for a little over a year now and my points may not reflect my knowledge of basketball but the points don't matter on this site. But I have been on this site for quite awhile and I am still an avid follower of this site and as it appears that you want to be one too, I have some criticism that I hope you will consider and not take it the wrong way.

1. I realize that you are a very passionate fan and you voice your opinions very loudly. You have quite an opinion and I respect that. I too have a very biased and loud opinion as well as do ALL of the people that have accounts on this site. I realize that your opinions are very different from the norm on this site. And that is perfectly fine, there are some very radical posters on this site that I think need to shut up because they don't know what they are talking about. But I, out of courtesy, to that particular poster, and to you, I will keep my mouth shut about my views and opinions in that regard. But you need to realize something about this site that is very crucial to your surviving on this site. (I mean surviving by being respected by the other posters on this site.) Because of your unique opinion towards small schools and their respective players.

2. This site focuses on the main players from the big schools why cuz it just it so happens that MOST of time those players become very good players in the NBA. Once in awhile there are those players from smaller schools that actually become pretty good players in the NBA in the end but these players are few and far between. Besides this site actually evaluates those players as well as the big name players from the big schools. For example, Gordon Hayward. He was always on this site's mock drafts. He may not have been very high in this sites' mock drafts but at least he was on thier and that is ALL THAT MATTERS to the point that I want to make.

3. This site mainly focuses on draft prospects. There is BIG difference between a good college player and a college player with NBA potential. The College game is VERY different from the NBA game and the way a player may play on a particular team may SEEM like they will be very good players in the NBA, but in the end we find that these players do not make a big impact in the NBA aren't even on NBA rosters today. (Even the Cavs roster is full of players thar were mian players on their own team and believe me every scout knew about them and probably should have drafted them when they had the chance and they probably have the worst team in the NBA today). Usually though the players that are really destined for the NBA on the small schools, like you seem to favor, usually seem to know what it takes to win games and when it matters will show it on the big stage. And usually this results in wins for that particular team. A few players that I have in mind that have done this in the past are Johnny Flynn, Gordon Hayward, and Tyreke Evans to name a few. Some of these players are not quite special yet in the NBA but that does not matter to the point that I am trying to make. Which is that scouts will draft players will draft WINNERS not LOSERS. (This point I will explain in the paragraph that follows.)

4. Notice how I said that those players, as well as others, KNOW what it takes to win and will DO so when it matters. Some players that play for small schools may play well all season but when they are playing the big name schools, whether its during the regular season or their respective conference tournaments, just don't have or don't know how to win games because they haven't been on winning teams before. This is a HUGE factor when it comes to the NBA. Most scouts used to think that players that can do a little bit of everything were the big name players and they were "drooling" over those particular players and could not wait to draft them. But when those players arrived in the NBA they did not have a big impact as we expected them too in the league, and to this day are still struggling to make an impact today. One player in particular that I can think of is Jerryd Bayless. Great college player but struggling in the NBA today. That is what I think of some of the players that you have listed. They have had their chances against the big schools in their respective conferences and they have not done the things that it takes to win those games and consequently their teams lost. This is out of no disrespect to those players but the NBA wants great college players who are winners. You are quite right that the NBA wants players who can do a little bit of everything but they also want WINNERS. And in most cases even MORE so than they do the players that can do a little bit of everything except win when it counts. Usually these players will do what it takes to win games when it matters NO MATTER what type they are on. (For example Gordon Hayward, he made us as passionate fans and scouts everywhere respect his teammates like Shelvin Mack and Matt Howard and consequently respect and fear the name and title of Butler. And I hope that everyone everywhere will be very greatfull for what he did especially the players and coaches on Butler as well as their passionate followers) This site does a very good job of figuring out whether or not a particular player is a winner or not. They pay attention to the big impact players on their respective teams as well as their teammates and they evualate them very well. I don't know all the specific criteria that goes into evaluating each player but I have come to recognize that each player they evaluate they have done a very good job on and they know what they are talking about and have the correct view and opinion of each player. Sometimes they are wrong and totally off but more often than not they are correct, and you can usually trust this sites opinion on a certain player. Please respect this site's view on EVERY player and do not try and be biased about the players you "LOVE" and the players you "HATE" respectively. We ALL have our likes and dislikes of certain players, and we all have the players that we hate or love, but it takes a real man to RESPECT the views of others and to give them credit when they deserve it, even if you absolutely "HATE" the player they are talking about. If you want be successfull on this site you MUST respect other people's opinions and not downtalk them. Some people can take this criticism the wrong way and it can just get bad. Trust me, I would know, I have been disrespected before on this site by pretty much everyone, but I think I regained the respect of a lot of those same posters on this site because I have stayed to that main rule that I just pointed out.

5. I hope you will take my criticism respectfully and use it to your advantage. I said some pretty correct and true statements that can be viewed as harshfull but I mean well. As I said from the beginning, I only want to help you not bring you down, so please do not take what I said the wrong way, but you need to change what you say on this site. You sound like you "know" more than we do and How long have you been on this site? For a very short time, and much shorter then most of us members have been. No one likes to be talked down to EVEN if they are wrong. Do not talk down to everybody on this site except for when they absolutely deserve it. (You can usually tell if a poster deserves to be talked down to by what everyone else has said in that particular thread.)

6. I do not know who you are, or if you are a scout of a particular team, or if you should deserve some sort of mutual respect by everyone (From what you have said on other threads it sounds like you are and that you want and believe you deserve this kind of respect) but MOSTLY EVERYONE on this site is a fan and a very passionate fan at that. But even though they are passionate fans they also deserve to be respected because they know what they are talking about. (Usually the fans that are very passionate but at the same time are biased and clearly do not know much about basketball wise, are weeded out very easily. I used to be one of these people but it seems like I have regained the respect of pretty much everybody on this site except for a very small minority.) You may or may not be who you say you are but please if you want to succeed on this site and be mutually respected by everyone, do not down talk to posters on this site. ESPECIALLY if they are EXPERIENCED posters and know what they are talking about. If you do not wish to abide by these councels that I have outlined in this post then please do us all a favor and leave this site otherwise you too will be weeded out and disrespected by everyone on this site no matter what you do.

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First oh canada this is my

First oh canada this is my only account, i been said that and even told yall my real name. Second ward b12, thanks for the constructive critisim. I am not a scout but i know a few. I know that nba scouts are looking at Cameron. I am not trying to hype him up, i just want people that never heard of him to know he is the real deal. Only three point guards in the nation have made more free throws this year!! Now i totally understand that most people dont care for guys that go to small schools. Derrick Fisher, Scottie Pippen, George Hill, Patrick Mills and thats just some. You can go on nba.com and check each roster. They are not few and far between, but thats your opinion. Yes most of the guys get drafted from bigger schools and thats just how it is. I just dont want anyone to think that nba scouts ad nba gm's aren't always looking for diamonds in the rough! That is exactly what Cameron is! Some people on this site it might be the first time you have heard of him. Thats why I'm doing this, so that now you have heard of him. I am an AUU coach so i know basketball. This site is great though, anyone can make a topic and its up for discussion or debate. Anyone can make thier arguement for whoever, but i make a strong case for Cameron. That is, he is one of the top ten point guards in college. I have seen a few strong arguements for other players but the main reason people says he is not is because he goes to The Citadel. If thats the best anyone can say they don't know basketball. Brandon Knight won the game with his nba quickness, thats fine cuz i spoke on the fact he has that. I also said he has no jumpshot just a set shot! Kentucky won barely against an ivy leauge team. Kentucky will more than likely lose next round and look for Knight to struggle again! Kalin Lucas isn't on my list and what did he do today? What did Siva do? Jacob Pullen isn't on my list for the same reason he came back for another year. He wasn't ready for the nba last year and he knew it. He is decent but come on. I am always on point and you don't have to agree with me. Just know im always on point! How bout post your top ten and we can debate this!!! Cameron is on my top ten because not only has he work hard but he has shown alot of character. Most guys would have transfered, but he made a commitment to that school and kept it! Yes the nba picks players fom winning teams. So your saying Mo Williams is a winner because he played with Lebron! Also he is a loser because he played without Lebron!!!!! If you are the best player on a bad team does not make you a loser especially when you take over games and win them all on your own. Winning a game all on your own literally is hard to do every night! He lead his team in almost every category including rebounding! Its a team game, so everyone is going to punish him because his team is full of ymca players. Not everyone just fans, not the nba! By the way there is no hands down dominate team this year! Look for at least 2 or 3 upsets next round!!!!!!

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^^^you are missing the point.

^^^you are missing the point. The main reason why Cameron Wells will not go in the first round isn't because scouts don't notice (Which sounds like is incorrect according to you as an AAU coach) and nor is it because he goes to a small school like Citadel. The reason why he won't go in the first round is because he is NOT A WINNER. He does not know how the intagibles of the game, the things it takes to win games. Scouts really know how to sort these things out and they matter. BIG TIME, especially in the pros. They want winners not diamonds in the rough who in the end are losers. Every team has diamonds in the rough, even the good big schools do. But the real gems in the rough are the ones that were not only diamonds in the rough before but are also WINNERS now. Thats what scouts care about. Yeah an all around game matters, but winners are even more important. You may say that Cameron Wells is a winner and that he does have the intangibles but he doesn't. I've never heard of him before and I already know that he is not a winner! If he truly were a winner then like I said in my previous post he would be winning games for Citadel when it counts, when it matters. If he really was a winner then he would have beaten Wofford in the Southern Tournament by himself like you apparently believe he can. (The real gems in the rough do this)

Look at Gordon Hayward. When he was at Butler before last year, NO ONE knew about him nor his school of Butler. (Maybe a few followers and passionate fans about the team but they don't count) Yeah the scouts knew about him but they thought he was nothing and might be able to do well but wouldn't waste a draft pick on him because they weren't sure if he was the real deal. But then he took the Horizon league by storm and not just the Horizon League, the entire tournament last year as well. He challenged Kyle Singler and Duke. And Singler could have declared last year and could have went in the first round. Scouts certainly respected his game much more then they did Hayward's at the time. But once he challenged him and almost won scouts knew this guy was something. If Cameron Wells is even near the player you say he is then he would most likely have the intangibles to do what it takes to be a star like Hayward was last year. He would have taken any player that Wofford could have put up against him and taken them to school and would have consequently won the game for them or if Citadel did not even reach the Final in the Southern then he would have done so against which ever team he faced in the Southern tournament thus helping Citadel advance to the Final to play Wofford and in that game winning it too . But clearly Cameron Wells is a great player (according to you) but he has probably been on loosing teams all his life and therefore does not posess the intangibles to win games.

***Now unfortunately these are the intangibles that you cannot teach prospects no matter how talented of a coach you may be. But because these things matter to all NBA scouts, he will have to impress teams in the workouts and invitionals after the tournament. But he's is really going to have to play his head off and probably play even better then he did at Citadel because these invitionals are not a cakewalk (like the Southern Conference is) And even if he does play extremely well at the invitationals before the draft then scouts will still look at he did while at Citadel and how is his team did. This is where the intangibles will show, and scouts will start to worry and consequently decide to pass up on him, thus meaning that he will most likely be a second rounder no matter how well he does at invitationals because what really matters is the intangibles. Unfortunately again even if he does get drafted in the second round then he will also most likely have to play in the d-league not because he is necessarily raw but because he will be sitting on the end of a teams bench never seeing a minute of an NBA game. Consequently the coaching staff of that team will feel sorry for him and decide to send him to the D-league to further fine tune his game and then when that team has injuries they can go and call him up and he can go and finally get his chance.

***The d-league is not a bad thing. Anybody can go to it and it is not just reserved for second rounders and undrafted players. Some lottery picks even end up spending time in the d-league (Johnny Flynn, Terrance Williams, Hasheem Thabeet, heck some players even spend time in the d-league just to get accustomed to playing the game of basketball again after a long injury.) The d-league is not a bad thing even for the great player that it sounds like Cameron Wells is. He could learn a lot from there and if he has the right attitude about it he will greatly appreciate his chance to play in the d-league just like I'm sure he has his with his time on your AAU teams. He will get his chance to play in the NBA but his path their will be different then most NBA draft prospects is.

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The fact that you have never

The fact that you have never heard of him lets me know you don't know basketball as well as you think you do. Cameron never played on our team, but he did play AUU as well as the best in the NBA. Your are intitled to your opinion but i dont agree. Yes i agree the nba wants winners. If they didn't want diamonds in the rough they would keep drafting all of these european players. Youtube Cameron Wells... He is better than alot of nba point guards already. The d-league is not an option, but only your opinoin... How many of your top players let alone point guards didn't as you say have the intagibles to win the game. How many upsets were there? The upsets will keep coming... The best players are not always in the ncaa tournament, the BEST TEAMS are. You are missing that point. As far as Gordon, I knew who he was as a freshman because i recognize talent. He is far better than Singler. Howard was not the only good player on that team just the best player on a very good, WELL coached team. All of thos players you mentioned spent time in the d-league because their games were not polished. They have holes in thier games, unlike Cameron.

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We obviously have our

We obviously have our different opinions and anyone one of us could be right or wrong respectively, but you are being very bias and unrealistic to a player that you love and adore. That is something on this site that is very derogatory and looked down upon. Please be realistic with your opinions of Cameron Wells whom you obviously believe to be the best point guard prospect of this years draft. Oh wait a second you can't because you are overwhelmingy biased for your AAU players and obviously do not see or recognize some BIG things in other players who are I know are clearly better then Cameron Wells is. And nor will you ever, so we can agree to disagree. But just watch down the road in a couple of years or even next year and will see Cameron Wells either sitting at the end of an NBA bench or playing in the D-league and ripping everybody to shreds their. Doing the latter may or may not be good for Cameron but the point is, that if he is the player you say he is then he will have a successfull career in basketball whether he is on a D-league team or not. And even if he is player you say he is and he is doing the things in the D-league that I described then he will get called up by an NBA team and he may or may not become a star like you claim him to be. There are some very good former d-leaguers today in the NBA and there will be more in the future. I do not doubt that at all, and I have no disrespect for those players that come from the d-league and do this. As a matter of fact I love these type of players because I find that they are different from the norm and add an interesting aspect to the game. But even now you have to realize that there are some flaws to Cameron's game that he could improve. You cannot be that biased about him and say he is the perfect player that does not work anything to his game at all. (that may or may not be what you think of him but that is how I read alot of your rants about him.)

Like I said before, we can agree to disagree, but I'm tired of talking about this and we shall see who is right in the end.

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I said he was a top ten point

I said he was a top ten point guard. I didn't say he wuz the best. I believe he is the best pure point guard but the best scoring is Jimmer and Kemba.. I am being honest, not biased. I look and watch the stars no matter what team they play for. The mid-majors are getting better and have some nba players whether you know it or not. Also the big east overrated, charles barkley said it best Big Least... You and the d-league, are you in the d-league or something. Cam never played on our AAU team, you are jumping to conclusions that are not based on fact. I have stats, facts, to back up what im saying

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i think not

Cameron Wells will not get drafted and more than likely wont ever sniff the league. it doesnt matter that a few nba scouts might be giving him a look, they give hundreds of people every year a "look". i highly doubt they are seriously considering him as a nba prospect. he put up decent numbers at the citadel, but its the citadel. he wasnt dominating the SoCon like an nba caliber point guard should do. he put up the same numbers his freshman through senior season and never really improved on his jump shot. so has he peaked as a player? more than likely. hes a career 28% 3 point shooter in college which means he wont be able to score from the perimeter in the nba and he lacks the build to consistently score in the lane in the nba. he played 3 power confrence teams this year and put up VERY average numbers in those 3 games. 10ppg 3.5rp 3.5apg and 4.6 turnover per game, all while shooting a mediocore 29% from the field. he also failed to record a steal in those 3 games. so what does he project as in the nba? a royal ivey type defensive guard off the bench? that is his best case scenario.

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