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Top 10 PG's In The League

So I saw the topic about the Top 10 centers in the league so I'd thought I'd rehash the Top 10pg's in the league debate. BTW if you do negative me, at least put down your list so we can compare. Remember this is based off of last season and their skill set presently:

1) Rajon Rondo: Oh, I know I am going to get negatives just because of this pick, but let me explain myself. For all you statistics nerds, Rondo has the most triple doubles of any player in the league since 2009. He also hasn't averaged less than 9.8 apg in 3 years. His last two years featured 11+apg seasons. He also had 4 Triple doubles and 14 Double doubles in 19 games this past postseason. So there is my statistics side of the argument. The other side is all about Rondo's leadership on the court. Rondo never looks to get his, he follows Doc's gameplan every night and tries to get both the young guys and the veterans their throughout the game. I believe he has also passed Steve Nash for best passer in the league as well. I could watch highlights all day of Rondo just passing the ball. My final arguemnt for Rondo being the the top PG in the league is his character. The guy not only plays with injuries such as a dislocated shoulder, but he also has an impeccable will to win. And he never backs down from anybody, ive seen countless examples of him wanting to guard players like Lebron, wanting to go straight at the opposing team's best player. And my personal favorite aspoect of Rondo's game, he thinks he is the best player in the lealgue and he truly believes that. THats not arrogance, thatts the heart of a champion.

2) Derrick Rose: Although injured most of last season, Drose before the injury was an unstoppable force to be reckoned with. His combinatino of athleticism with an improved jumpshot has made him virtually unstoppable. Although, if I was guarding him, I would still take the jumpshot 100% of the time rather than one of his acrobatic layups or dunks.

3) CP3: If CP3 never had that inury, I guarantee he would be on the top of this list. I am willing to say that he's probably only about 80% of wha he could be. This guy has a combination of IQ and strength that I have never seen in a barely 6 foot PG.

4) Deron Williams: Now he did not start well last season, but him and the Nets team in the second half of the season took a step in the right directino last year. I expect D-Will to have a spectacular season. When the dude is on his game, he is on his game, like the 57 point game he had against Charlotte that virtually nobody talked about.

5) Russell Westbrook: Reduced turnovers last year, finally brought me on the Westbrook band wagon. The dude his RIDICULOUS athleticism and has improved his game so much the past year.

6) Kyrie Irving: Quickly becoming one of my fav PG's. He is just everything you want in a PG.

7) John Wall: I expect BIG things from this guy this year. He could even crack my top 5 when its all said and done.

8) Steve Nash: Enough said.

9) Tony Parker: Never gets the respect he deserves, and still young enough to do more damage during his career

10) Ricky Rubio: We just got a small taste of this guy last year, and I expect much more from him this upcoming year. He's been working on his jay since his injury and I think we can all expect the flair and competitiveness we saw last year to be back this season.

JUST MISSED: Jrue Holliday, Ty Lawson


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No way John Wall will get in

No way John Wall will get in the top 5 this year.

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#1 . D Will #2 . CP3 #3 .

#1 . D Will

#2 . CP3

#3 . Rondo

#4 . Westbrook

#5 . Rose (injury drops him)

#6 . Parker

#7 . Nash

#8 . Irving

#9 . Wall

#10. Rubio (if not for his injury I'd have him higher)

Just missed: LeBron (JK but only slightly, he plays point more than not), Curry(injury hurts him), Lawson,

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It'll eventually happen but I

It'll eventually happen but I can't put Wall ahead of Nash just yet

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i remember most people here

i remember most people here love Jrue Holliday over John Wall!

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John Wall 2 spots ahead of

John Wall 2 spots ahead of Tony Parker is so nonsensical I don't even want to read the rest of your analysis.

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agreed, putting John friggin

agreed, putting John friggin Wall ahead of a 3 time NBA champion PG is a crime against humanity...

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I understand ur comments

I understand ur comments about John Wall over TP. It was hard enough for me to put him above TP. I just feel like he is better right now and will have a better season this upcoming season.

I totally forgot about Steph Curry when healthy, but I haven't seen enough of him to put him in the top 10.

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John Wall is a better athlete

John Wall is a better athlete and that's it. Tony Parker is a better scorer, distributor, leader. So if you think athleticism is more important than the three qualities I just named, then I guess you're right.

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LMAO you think that Tony

LMAO you think that Tony Parker is a better distrubuor than John Wall? John Wall has finished top 6 in assists in both his years in the NBA and averaged 8.4 assits as a rookie which was the most by any rookie in the last 15 years

Wall was also passing the ball to Nick Young, Javale Mcgee, Andray Blatche, Jordan Crawford

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John Wall also led the league

John Wall also led the league in turnovers during the regular season. It somewhat mutes the 8 assists stat when you're also tallying 4 turnovers per game

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To be fair, Tony Parker isn't

To be fair, Tony Parker isn't all that great of a distributor. It's not inconceivable for Wall to be better then Parker at that. Although I do agree Parker is miles ahead of Wall at this point.

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Is this a list of your

Is this a list of your favorite point guards by order?

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" like the 57 point game he

" like the 57 point game he had against Charlotte that virtually nobody talked about."

Because it was against Charlotte.

other than that and Wall's spot you have a very solid list.

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really, a 57 point game isn't

really, a 57 point game isn't impressive just because it was done against the bobcats...then why didn't kobe get that this year? What about KD? Hey, why didn't Lebron get 57 against them?

It is still impressive to score 57 points as a POINT GUARD no matter who the opponent is at this level

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1. Chris Paul - He leads both

1. Chris Paul - He leads both vocally and by example. His teammates respect him. He's a complete point guard with no real holes. Without him, the Clippers aren't a playoff team. He can dribble too much at times and wait too long to take over games, but that's nitpicking.

2. Deron Williams - He still has all of the tools. I thought he was a jerk in Utah, but he's been humbled the last two seasons. He'll get back to doing what we're used to this season.

3. Tony Parker - He's underrated. He had a MVP year last season and is still in his prime. He scores/attacks, while also playing winning basketball and making the right plays.

4. Rajon Rondo - He's an amazing all-around player and can impact games without scoring, but he still can't shoot and his attitude is questionable.

5. Russell Westbrook - He's an explosive player, but sometimes it just hurts to watch him play. He's getting better and I'm not as critical towards him as others, but he has to start taking better shots and making smarter plays.

6. Steve Nash - He's old and can't defend, but he's basically still giving you 50, 40 and 90 shooting, plus double figure points and assists. Other than Chris Paul, who else can make average players look great?

7. Kyrie Irving - He's the complete package and is going to do great things in the NBA. Think what he'll do with a full training camp, pre-season, etc under his belt.

8. Ty Lawson - He's very underrated. He's an elite level athlete, who does just about everything well. He's a perfect fit for Denver's uptempto offense in that high altitude.

9. Kyle Lowry - He's a pitbull at both ends. Due to some injuries, he gets into the top ten.

10. Mike Conley - He's underrated. He's not a dunker, but he's an elite level athlete. He's improved his jumpshot. He's a great defender. He shoots well and he knows how to run a team. He rarely turns the ball over.

*Ricky Rubio - He's top ten, but left out due to torn ACL. He won't return until Jan-Feb.

*Derrick Rose - He's top two, but left out due to torn ACL. He won't return until Feb-Mar... Maybe not at all.

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That's more like it.

That's more like it.

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1. Chris Paul 2. Deron

1. Chris Paul

2. Deron Williams

3. Derrick Rose

4. Russell Westbrook

5. Rajon Rondo

6. Tony Parker

7. Steve Nash

8. Kyrie Irving

9. Ricky Rubio

10. Ty Lawson

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HAHA

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For serious.....

How is Rajon Rondo better than Chris Paul? I mean, seriously people. Rondo had a fantastic play-offs, he maybe had one of the better non-LeBron James play-off performances from this past season. But, how is he a more complete PG than Chris Paul? Sorry to say, who cares about triple doubles? They are impressive, yes, statistically. Ultimately though, if you get 8-9 rebounds and your team still wins the game with a double-double, that is cool too.

Now, Rondo is the best player on the Celtics. Easily was in the play-off's at the very least. Yes, his teammates are getting up there. He is also a great defender. Dude still is a major liability more often than not as an offensive player. He is a great passer, but his jumper usually lets him down. As much as he penetrates, he averaged less than 3 FTA's per game in the play-off's. Dude was shooting near 70%, why so scared to go to the line? I still think he is scared of getting fouled, just lacks confidence from the line and I truly believe it hurts the team. At the very least, would make the team much stronger if he went to the line more often.

Chris Paul did not have the play-off's that Rondo did, but than again he was on a young, inexperienced (at least with the big time) team. For all those who say, "Well Rondo has won a championship and Chris Paul has not", well, put Rondo on the New Orleans Hornets and see how they do. Put Paul on the Boston Celtics, have to say, believe they would be a much scarier team. The guy is just flat out skilled, can shoot, can pass, can pressure the ball and just shows much more overall efficiency. I still believe Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, Deron Williams and Russell Westbrook are all better PG's than Rondo. I respect what Rondo does, just think people go a little crazy with this "heart of a champion", stuff. The Celtics won the championship when Rondo was definitely the 4th option, and people were playing off of him than like they still do now. Can't fully blame the Celts, but tell me why Rondo is better than at the very least Chris Paul and why one would take him over Paul going into next season.

These are my PG Rankings heading into 2012:

1. Chris Paul: Just the most efficient PG out there, really no major weaknesses. Injuries a slight concern, just feel with Rose going down and more than likely taking some time to come back, Paul is at the top right now.

2. Derrick Rose: He will take time, but his resume speaks for itself the past couple of years. Even while he was obviously hurt, was putting up monster numbers and carrying the Bulls. Don't believe me? 33-7 in games with Derrick Rose, 19-13 without him. They are obviously still a good team, but Rose is their star, main source of offense and when healthy, is a PG like no other.

3. Deron Williams: So strong, does so many things well and I believe he is indeed one of the better players in the league. Constant match-up issue, lets see what he does with an actual team around him and a few solid supporting players. Definitely made some Utah teams pretty darn solid.

4. Russell Westbrook: Yes, I take Westbrook over Rondo. I think as boneheaded as some of the things Westbrook may do, without him the Thunder are not getting close to the Finals without him. Of course Kevin Durant should take the most shots, he usually does. Just know that Westbrook is developing into a lethal scorer, solid defender and rebounder, plus a better shooter than Rondo. Yes, Rondo is a more willing passer, just know that Russell kept OKC in more games than people claim he shot them out of.

5. Rajon Rondo: He is great, has been at least. Just really feel that people are going a little to crazy about him in comparison to some of the leagues top PG's. I want to see how he carries a team, especially now that his supporting cast has adjusted and is older. Just know that the Celts were 31-22 (58.5%) with him in the regular season and 8-5 (61.5%) without him last season. Does this mean they are better without him? Absolutely not, he saved their @sses and got them as far as they could go on many occasions, not to mention the play-offs. Just states, is Boston destroyed without him? I am not sure, really am not sure he is the "leader" people make him out to be. Just my opinion.

6. Tony Parker: Hard for me to put him behind Rondo, as I honestly think he is vastly underrated. This guy just always seems to get the better of his match-up. I mean, even in his match-up with Russell Westbrook, he was flat out better head-to-head. Russell got further and was more explosive during this season, just know that Parker was flat out awesome. Plus, he lights up Steve Nash much more often than not. Nash is great, but defending Parker? Just is not happening. He does other things, but give me Parker going into next year.

7. Steve Nash: His going to the Lakers should be fantastic for him. He will more than likely have a low pressure regular season, which should save his legs and back for the play-offs. Has been fairly durable, though with age, who knows if that will continue? Here is hoping he stays healthy, because he is an offensive marvel that should at the least help the Lakers PG production for be closer to the PG production against.

8. Kyrie Irving: I might rank him higher more than likely as the season progresses. Incredibly impressive rookie season, he just has a great head on his shoulders and surpassed even my (considerable) expectations for the #1 pick in 2011. If he continues to improve, he is gunning for the #1 spot with Derrick Rose. Definitely not on his level as an athlete, just so solid in so many categories, dead eye shooting and a court vision that will be shown with an improved supporting cast.

9. Ty Lawson: Just really like this kid. He is a leader, a complete water bug with his quickness and he took the Nuggets to great levels this season. Was close to an All-Star, may not be there necessarily, just right now is a PG that has well surpassed expectations. Definitely gained my respect after the last two seasons.

10. John Wall: Scarecrow will hate me selecting him over Jrue Holiday, but he was flat out more efficient and I have a feeling if he were on Philly, Scarecrow would be singing a different tune. His sophomore season was disappointing, there have been rumblings of severe altering of NBA opinion on him. Nonetheless, the kid has something and has just been in a horrible situation. His jump shot obviously needs (radical) improvement (3-42 from 3 last season, horrible. But, will give him the benefit of the doubt of a terrible team, less than one attempt per game and almost hitting 30% the year before), just have not dropped off him just yet.

Almost made it: Stephen Curry. When he is healthy, absolutely love his offensive game and could see him being a star. His defensive struggles are well documented, but so are those of most of his team mates. His last season alone garners him an N/A, just would not fully count him out just yet either. The Warriors were 13-13 with Steph, take that for whatever it may be. A couple of the games they won he barely played, just think that he can indeed be an impact guy for the Warriors or whomever else has his services. Just an incredible shooter and his offensive efficiency is potentially special, under the right circumstances. Will that be in Golden State? Well, lets give it another year.

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Derrick Rose is hurt so he's not going to be in my list.

1. Rajon Rondo- Defends,leads,most creative passer in the L, has everything besides the jumper and has a ring to boot.

2. Russell Westbrook- Like it or not but he deserves the nod here, Westbrook has improved each year and the Thunder have won more games in the regular season and have went further in the playoffs each year, makes bonehead decisions at times....True, but his positives far outweight his negatives, the Thunder go as he go.

3. CP3

4. Tony Parker

5. D-Will

6. Steve Nash

7. John Wall- May not agree, but im taking him at #7 his career averages are 16,8,4 at 21 years old and he hasn't even sniffed his potential yet.

8.Kyrie Irving

9.Ty Lawson

10.Jrue Holiday

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@FastAndFurious Other than

@FastAndFurious

Other than them being two of your favorite point guards, how do you justify putting both Rajon Rondo and Russell Westbrook above Chris Paul? All that's left is for you to put Jeff Teague in the top ten.

Rondo is a great all-around playmaker, but he has significant holes in his game. His mood, attitude and leadership ability is also questionable. What does Rondo do better than Paul to you?

And other than be athletic, what in the world does Westbrook do better than Paul?

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And while I love John Wall's height, length, athleticism and potential... How can anyone justify putting him in the top ten to start this season? He's a turnover machine (been one since Kentucky) and only plays at one speed (which is something he's also been doing since Kentucky). His ball handling also isn't all that great and he doesn't handle it all that well in tight spaces. He's not as good in the half-court and can't shoot. Defensively, his stats may fool you, but he's not really a good defender.

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i agree with rondo

players make their money during the regular season, and players make their name during the name during the playoffs.

I dont care what CP3 does during the season, plus he on the clippers now, no excuse. plus the spurs washed them easy.

Rondo plays his best when it count during the playoffs and he always go deep into at that. Everybody says he cant shoot this, his offense is this ,he struggle at FT's. Funny how it always come together when it count. while your favorite Pg is at home mad.

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Well...

I just don't see how Chris Paul is better than Rajon Rondo, excuse my being a Celtics fan but he does EVERYTHING well. He passes, rebounds, slashes, plays exceptional defense, is a very vocal leader, makes every single one of his teammates better, and is an NBA champion. He just isn't a great shooter, and in all reality he's not even that bad of a shooter he is very cautious about his shot selection, and even tho he is dubbed as "cant shoot" or "no offense" he still manages to put up triple doubles and gives you alot of 20-30 point games and offensive outbursts like in the ECF of last season

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Chris Paul does all of that

Chris Paul does all of that too, and he can shoot.

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Ok I got a couple of caveats for my list

1. As it usually takes a full season plus to recover totally from ACL surgery. My list is gonna omit Rubio and Rose (2 of my favourite point guards) I just want to see them a month or two after they return to the starting position before I rate them. ...

2. Larry bird said triple doubles were not important. I am talking not fantasy here. Not a bash on Rondo etc just stats don't always tell the whole story.

My top 10

1. Paul, he made the Clipper seem meaningful and anyone who knows how I have laughed at them for decades because of their ownership would guess that means a lot. He is probably better in a half court game than a wide open style like the Olympic team played.

2. D Williams, that said it is put up or shut time for him either now or at the latest next year.

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3. Parker, strange game.... Not a ton of assists but a winner.

4. Rondo

A unique talent but a truly quirky guy he was let off Olympic team even though he ideal for that type of game yet no one said boo. Ainge tried to trade him several times and Ray Allen took a payout in part to escape him.
5 Westbrook ..... This was difficult, he is as talented as anyone listed above him. I f he traded to another team, I would easily consider him top 2 but he seems to feel he MUST be the ALPHA MALE. On a team without Durant, that would be great.
6. Nash, with Howard playing defence behind him and all the scoring options he has it could result in a monster year, that said he is almost 39 with back trouble to boot.
7. Irving would be hell of a lot higher but not a fan of Cavs last 2 draft first after Irving
8.Wall don't fancy his game but he gets way to much hate by some
9. Lawson would be lower but he plays on an uptempo team loaded with athletes
10. The 2 headed monster of Jennings and Ellis, 2 chuckers who are interested in PPG way more than APG.

Now factor in a healthy Rose in top 3 and a heathy Rubio in top 8 and PG is loaded.

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Ok I got a couple of caveats for my list

1. As it usually takes a full season plus to recover totally from ACL surgery. My list is gonna omit Rubio and Rose (2 of my favourite point guards) I just want to see them a month or two after they return to the starting position before I rate them. ...

2. Larry bird said triple doubles were not important. I am talking not fantasy here. Not a bash on Rondo etc just stats don't always tell the whole story.

My top 10

1. Paul, he made the Clipper seem meaningful and anyone who knows how I have laughed at them for decades because of their ownership would guess that means a lot. He is probably better in a half court game than a wide open style like the Olympic team played.

2. D Williams, that said it is put up or shut time for him either now or at the latest next year.

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3. Parker, strange game.... Not a ton of assists but a winner.

4. Rondo

A unique talent but a truly quirky guy he was let off Olympic team even though he ideal for that type of game yet no one said boo. Ainge tried to trade him several times and Ray Allen took a payout in part to escape him.
5 Westbrook ..... This was difficult, he is as talented as anyone listed above him. I f he traded to another team, I would easily consider him top 2 but he seems to feel he MUST be the ALPHA MALE. On a team without Durant, that would be great.
6. Nash, with Howard playing defence behind him and all the scoring options he has it could result in a monster year, that said he is almost 39 with back trouble to boot.
7. Irving would be hell of a lot higher but not a fan of Cavs last 2 draft first after Irving
8.Wall don't fancy his game but he gets way to much hate by some
9. Lawson would be lower but he plays on an uptempo team loaded with athletes
10. The 2 headed monster of Jennings and Ellis, 2 chuckers who are interested in PPG way more than APG.

Now factor in a healthy Rose in top 3 and a heathy Rubio in top 8 and PG is loaded.

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Wow really how many times are

Wow really how many times are people gunna use the Rondo can't shoot excuse. Take a look at the 44pt game he had a gainst miami in the playoffs...he can't shoot? Wow, a lot of Rondo haters...I don't even care if u hate on my list, but knockin on Rondo?

NO CP3 is not better right now. I am sorry, but thats how i feel. I love CP3, but he's only 80% right now. Thats how good he really is. Take a look at some of his higlights of his seasons between his rookie year and about 2007/2008. He clearly was the best PG in the league during those times, because of his speed, decision-making, and leadership. But he has lost some of that speed and some of his stamina because of the injury...THATS A FACT PEOPLE.

And really we aren't going to say triple doubles matter. Then I guess every triple double Magic and Jason Kidd have shouldn't be a factor when we are talking about the top 10 PG's EVER. Seriously dudes, some of your arguments are so pointless its cray cray.

Aight this kid is done ranting

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Saw the 44 point game

He was amazing. Even more amazing than Russell Westbrook's 43 against the Heat (which was also amazing, but Rondo was indeed even more dominant. Not to mention he did not commit a bone head foul at the end). Still see so little reason that one game proves he is better than Chris Paul, who if we can recall lit the Lakers up in the play-offs last year. The Spurs did a good job on Chris Paul, but he still had relatively decent numbers for the series. They also killed Russell Westbrook, who shot 38% and averaged 18.2 ppg in that series (well below the 25 ppg he averaged in 14 other play-off games).

Comparing Rajon Rondo to Magic Johnson and Jason Kidd? Really? Triple doubles obviously are a gauge of putting up solid individual statistics, but to say that Rondo is a better PG than Chris Paul due to his triple double count just does not factor everything in. For one, you just have to look at their numbers in general to know that Chris Paul is a much more efficient offensive player and bigger offensive threat. 2.6 apg difference is not making up 8 ppg scoring difference. Triple doubles are impressive, but are you telling me that LeBron does not make more of an impact when he gets a few boards and a few assists away from one? That is what I mean. Rondo gets triple doubles every so often, even had one in Game 7 against Miami. Think we know the final outcome, though.

The fact is, we still have not truly seen the Celtics become Rajon Rondo's team with continual major success. You can say he has been their best player since they went to the Finals in 2010, but remember that despite decent all around numbers, he shot 26.7% from the FT stripe in that series. He has improved since, but I find it hard to believe that if Chris Paul were in his place, the Celtics would not be a much more dangerous team. Chris Paul had a better season than Rajon Rondo last year, even taking into account how well Rondo played in the play-offs. If he is not better than Rondo this year as well if Paul maintains his health, I would be surprised. Lets just remember, Rondo missed 13 games last season to 6 for Paul. Paul may not be as explosive as he used to be, but he is still a much more complete player than Rondo all things considered.

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as much as i dislike rondo,

as much as i dislike rondo, there's not a chance tony parker's better

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@SDEYou don't post as much,

@SDE

You don't post as much anymore, but I remember some of your old posts and you've been a biased Rajon Rondo fan for years.

Are you trying to say Chris Paul is just a regular season player? You do realize he's averaging over 20 PPG, 10 AST, 5 REB and 2 STL over his playoff career, right? To suggest Paul isn't a big game player is ridiculous. His teams have overachieved because of him.

Paul has no excuses because he's playing on... The CLIPPERS? Paul is still carrying the team and has to do everything. The Clippers are no better than Paul's past Hornet squads. He hasn't had the luxury of playing with three players going straight to the Hall of Fame.

@Bostonkings

Another biased Rondo fan.

I know what Rondo does very well. What does he do BETTER than Chris Paul? Like what aspect of the game does he unquestionably do BETTER than Paul?

Offensively, as a shooter and scorer, Rondo does NOTHING better. Paul is a *much more* efficient player. Ball handling wise, both players are elite. Passing wise, both players are elite (Rondo has had better teammates). Defensively, you could give Rondo the edge, but Paul is a great on ball defender and doesn't gamble. Leadership wise, you've never heard Paul questioned. Rondo's leadership and mood has been questioned by his general manager, coach and teammates.

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I'm not a Rondo hater. I'm not a Paul fan. I'm ranking the top point guards without bias. The reasoning for putting him above Paul can only be due to being a fan boy.

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Even as Boston fan I'm with

Even as Boston fan I'm with Indiana on this one; if Rondo didn't have so many great shooters around him creating spacing his weaknesses would be become a lot more apparently. Love him to death for what he's done for Boston but objectively CP3 is the better point guard

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Actually i thought rose had passed rondo for best pg in the league. I had rondo at the third spot behind rose and westbrook. but after the past year i think he made his cause for the top spot.

CP3 is a pitbull yes but alot of pg's be giving him buckets. he flop all the time, and i really think towards the end Eric Bledsoe took some pressure of him. He can run a team and i think he throw great ally passes lmao. But serious he just dont have that extra will in him. Come on son his team got swept by the spurs easy. And in the Memphis series if not for Nick Young and Bledsoe getting hot they was on the way out.

I was biased a little years back. But i tell you this if russell or deron or anybody else come out and play better than rondo i will comment on it and give them a S/O.

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1 rose 2 paul 3 westbrook 4 d

1 rose

2 paul

3 westbrook

4 d will

5 rondo

lock top 5 imo

6 parker

7 irving

8 nash

lock top 8 imo

9 lawson

10 rubio (very controversial)

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Does everyone forget CP3

Does everyone forget CP3 dominating playoff series a few years ago? I don't put much stock into last years Chris Paul with the controversy of the trade, no training camp, he was a bit out of shape IMO, and he had a very inexperienced team. The guy is easily the best PG in the game. He has been on very average teams and taken them much further than most others could.

1) Chris Paul

2) Deron Williams

3) Derrick Rose

4) Tony Parker

5) Russell Westbrook

6) Rajon Rondo

7) Steve Nash

8) John Wall

9) Kyrie Irving

10) Jrue Holiday

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And I love Ty Lawson and he

And I love Ty Lawson and he is the perfect PG for that team but I left him out of the top 10 because I'm not sure he fits better than those other guys on other teams. Rubio gave us half a season. Lowry is has shown flashes and could easily sneak in soon but I want to see it all year. Curry is like Lowry to me in the sense I need to see it all year.

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1. CP3 2. Deron Williams 3.

1. CP3

2. Deron Williams

3. Derrick Rose

4. Rajon Rondo

5. Russell Westbrook

6. Steve Nash

7. Tony Parker

8. Kyrie Irving

9. Ty Lawson

10. Ricky Rubio

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Rajon Rondo defends,rebounds

Rajon Rondo defends,rebounds better, is a walking triple double, and wins(Ring) all those he does better than Paul, and lately everytime they've played against each other Rondo has gotten the better of Paul, he's the best PG in the league to me he does everything literally. It wouldn't even be a discussion if he had a jumper, I should ask you what does Paul do better than Rondo.

Now like I said I gave my reasons for why I feel Westbrook is the 2nd best PG in the L(with Derrick Rose being out) you look at Westbrooks numbers each year and then look at the Thunders regular season wins and how far they go in the playoffs and Russell is a HUGE reason for that, I knew many would not agree but I feel Russell contributes big time and the Thunder getter better each year in the regular season and post season.

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Rondo defends better and

Rondo defends better and rebounds better and that's it. He wins better? Give Chris Paul the Celtics and they would've won like 4 championships in a row. You are obviously ultra biased if you are going to make that argument.

What does Chris Paul do better? Shoot, score from multiple levels, PASS, lead, while still being a great defender and rebounder. Come on man it's not even close. Chris Paul is arguably the most efficient PG ever. Rondo has had big time weapons his whole career and his assist to turnover ratio still isn't at Chris Paul's level. Last season Paul's was 4.33 and Rondo's was 3.25, that's not even in the same galaxy in terms of efficiency. It's not just last year either, his career average is 3.92 and Rondo's is 3 with MUCH more help.

You can say 'well I feel he's better' but you're wrong. Chris Paul is easily better, even at Rondo's best ability: passing.

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List

When making a best list, I like to ask myself who would I rather have on my team, to help me win one game. I also like to look at head-to-head matchups of the players. There is a lot of debate here about Parker vs. Rondo. I would rather have Rondo on my team, and think he would win the matchup between him and Parker. So here is my list....

1. Derrick Rose- Yes he got hurt. So what, he will be gone for a year. People are dumb to think Rose won't come back as strong or stronger with the way his body was, his dedication and work ethic, and the success rate of other guys who have had similar injury. It won't be long until the youngest MVP ever is out on the court dominating every head-to-head matchup, controlling the game, and leading his team to the best regular season record like he has the last two years in a row. So just put him #1 now

2. CP3

3. Kyrie Irving- yup

4. Rondo

5. Westbrook

6. Tony Parker

7. Deron Williams -not a big fan. AGAIN, think PG's above him would win matchup and help my team win more

8. Rubio

9. Holiday

10. Nash- old but still had to throw him on

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I love the topic, point guard play is a huge determining factor in team success, so I figured I'd take a go at making my own list.

1. Derrick Rose-yeah he's hurt, but does any pointguard have his combination of athleticism, determination, fearless going to the basket, quiet demeanor but he's unquestionably the leader on his team. Hes improving his jumper and defense and ad he gets older his feel for the game will undoubtedly improve. What makes him number 1 on my list is he refuses to be stopped and no one outside of lebron James guarding him can stop him.

2.cp3-dude is an animal, he's incredibly intelligent and uses his iq to his advantage in game time situations. His only hole in his game is his outside shooting and you can tell he has worked on it tremendously. He's a true leader on the court who puts his teammates in position to consistently succeed, while being able to take over a game offensively at exactly the right time, that's an incredibly hard line to toe and he does it better than anyone on the league. His defense could improve but he is a very scrappy defender who's effort rubs off on his teammates plus he's just a tough sob.

3.Steve Nash-he's the purest point guard in the league, pocesses the purest shooting stroke of any point guard and flat out makes his teammates better than another other player in te league other than perhaps lebron. What he did with Phoenix last year was nothing short of amazing and it surprises me how many people write him off as being to old . He definitely has major defensive shortcomings, but his offensive mastery more than makes up for that.

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I posted this in another

I posted this in another thread, but I don't feel like anybody read it, and it's relevant again so here we go...

I'm curious as to what's overrated about Deron Williams. In my opinion he is still in the discussion for best PG in the league, although I'd probably take Paul and Rose over him. I feel like almost everyone who picks Rondo over Deron Williams is a prisoner of the moment and is failing to consider how little Deron has had to work with for much of his time with the Nets.

Personally, although I'm sure many will disagree with me, I find that Rajon Rondo, while still a fantastic player, has become a bit overrated. My issue with him, if you can call it an issue, is that he is on a Team that completely maximizes his talents, while other top point guards (Rose, Paul, Williams) have worked with less than ideal situations. Rondo has played with three other talented scorers, all of whom were effective catch and shoot players and who were able to be effective while still allowing Rondo to dominate the ball. This is not to say that Rondo hasn't run the Boston offense incredibly, well, I think it is pretty much indisputable that he has. I would simply argue that both Paul and Williams have comperable court vision and awareness and could run that offense equally as effectively, while simaltaneously being able to shoot the ball much better.

An argument that I have frequently heard from those touting Rondo as the best point guard in the league, is that he can dominate the game without scoring. This is entirely true. However, I fully believe that Paul and Williams can both do the same thing. Paul and Williams, when their shots aren't falling, can still control a game with their passing, making their teammates significantly better. But they are also both consistently able to carry a large scoring load, in a way that I believe Rondo is not. I do not think it's fare to penalize Williams and Paul because they are capable of doing more than Rondo on the court, when I think they excell equally as much when it comes to setting up their teammates.

Once again, I'd like to reiterate that I think Rondo is a fantastic player and one of the best in the league, but I think people have elevated him to the status of "best in the league," partially because he has had far more to work with than his competitors for the title.

I have left Rose and Westbrook out of this discussion, because I believe they are a whole nother beast entirely and cut from a far different mold than Paul, Williams and Rondo.

My rankings of the top PGs in the league would go somehthing like:

Rose

Paul

Williams

Rondo

Parker

Westbrook

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I agree with everything you

I agree with everything you said.

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wow... we really sleep on

wow... we really sleep on steve nash still.... he lead a team almost to the playoffs with the second best player being marcin gortat

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@Y2G and Im Your FatherI

@Bird_Years, Y2G and Im Your Father

I agree with everything y'all posted.

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I just want to say that I'm not a Rondo hater. I like Rondo. When he's at his best, he can play at an unbelievable level. He's fun to watch. He competes hard and plays with a lot of heart and won't back down.

However, that's not enough reasoning to justify saying he's a better basketball player than Paul. I also think the ring argument is silly. Rondo was just a role player on that team.

I mean, even if you give Rondo the edge as a defender and rebounder, his edge isn't THAT huge. I mean, Paul averages over 4 RPG and 2 STLPG for his career. He's very good in those areas.

Just to give Rondo more chips, I'll ignore who he's played with and consider them equal as passers, playmakers, etc, etc. I'll even consider them equal leaders!

However, when you look at the gigantic advantages Paul has as a shooter and overall offensive player, both skills AND efficiently wise, it's just not even close. Paul is a complete player with damn near no holes in his game, plus he has the heart of a lion. Not only does he not have holes, he has all of the extra little sh*t in between that takes just tons and tons of practice and understanding to do.

The reasoning to put Rondo over Paul just doesn't make sense.

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stop lying to yourself

Rondo is the best right now. He can do everything better than your favorite PG except shoot. Be he can shoot in the playoffs so thats all that really matters.

Out of all the Pg's people be talkin about Rondo plays the best in the playoffs and when it really count. Russell is making a strong push although.

I feel bad for a lot of you bloggers who love CP3. Im going to keep it real. How do it feel to know that a average pg like conley can give him trouble or that tony parker and gary neal can take turns giving him buckets enroute to a sweep. Then you have the nerve to come on here and type what you say.

If CP3 ever win a championship this site might crash. ill wait for that day june to happen.

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and stop saying he only won cause he was on boston. Lebron only won cause he was on the heat so relax winnig is winnig.

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Not comparable. LeBron was

Not comparable. LeBron was easily the best player in the Heat, yes easily. Rondo was a distant 4th, maybe 5th best when Boston won the title.

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I don't get why CP3 has soooo

I don't get why CP3 has soooo much hype??? Is he good? Of course, but he's not better than Rondo, all this efficent stuff gets blown way out of context.

I go by what I see with my own 2 eyes, I don't go check how efficent this guy was or his PER, no I don't go by any of that, I see Rajon Rondo as a guy who is a triple double threat on ANY given night(points,rebounds,assist) and can defend at a super high level, some of the numbers he puts up are NBA 2K12 type numbers.

And it's funny how when we talk about Jordan vs Lebron yall "RUN" to the "Jordan has 6 rings in 8 years" argument, but when Rondo fans throw him having a ring over CP3 rings don't matter anymore lol stop hating Rondo is better than CP3, and to say he was a role player is cool, but name me another 22 year old PG that made 3 hall of famers listen to his commands and lead them to a ring in HIS first playoff apperance......

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Dude the title argument isn't

Dude the title argument isn't even remotely comparable. He wasn't even that good when he won his ring, so how can you him credit? Do Derek Fisher, Steve Kerr and John Paxson get to be top G's too? They were all role players on title teams like Rondo was. Rondo has gotten consderiably better since then, but he still isn't a better overall player then CP3, or Rose for that matter.

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