Knicksfans7 beat me to the punch while I was getting my list together. I Will give you my list of my ten favorites to win player of the year and I would like input and everybody else's top ten to make it fun. So let's compare and contrast.
1. Jared Sullinger (will have an Elton Brand like impact for Ohio State, has an advanced skill set and feel for the game.)
2. Corey Fisher (this is going to surprise alot of people but Fisher is going to have a breakout season, the 105 point game has nothing to do with this prediction if anybody has been following Fisher's career they know he has the potential to post averages of 20 points, 5 rebounds, and 5 assists this year only Maalik Wayns stands in his way.)
3. Kyle Singler (he will be the best player on possibly the best team in the nation so thats always a sure shot way to win NPOY. Singler undoubtedly has a better shot then Irving because of his versatility and experience.)
4. Brandon Knight (New John Cal freshman point guard puppet need i say more?)
5. Perry Jones (darkhorse who has the athleticism, size, and tools to be and unstoppable force on the college level even more the Barnes and Baylor will be a top 5 team this year.)
6. Harrison Barnes (because of his name)
7. Alec Burks (need I mention last years winner?)
8. Kemba Walker (very good point guard for Uconn has a real chance to breakout into the national spotlight this year.)
9. Jimmer Fredette (this guy can score a ton of points in an efficient fashion. had to 40 point plus games last year plus one that almost went for 50. Could lead the nation in scoring this year. Not sure if BYU will have a great season to follow up tho.
10. Trey Thompkins (Rising big men could have a big impact on college basketball this year down in the Peach State.)
In reality, just like the Heisman Trophy, and player does not have a real shot at winning National Player of the year unless the school he is playing for is a winning school hence the reason all the names above are from schools that have a legit shot at going to the Final Four with the exception of Fredette from BYU,Thompkins from Georgia, and Burks from Colorado State. Im not saying that they dont have a chance at being in the dance I'm just saying they are not favored. Those 3 players will have big years nonetheless. Sullinger at Ohio State, Fisher at Villanova, Singler at Duke, and Knight at Kentucky are 3 of my favorites for the final four. I feel as Perry Jones and Baylor along wit Dunn are going to have a big season and make it to the dance. Of Course Barnes and UNC are always going to be talked about going the distance.
1. Jared Sullinger- He will have a legit chance to have an N.P.O.Y year. I agree.
2. Corey Fisher- Shortlist Big East P.O.Y. candidate? Sure. N.P.O.Y candidate? Long-shot.
3. Kyle Singler- He's my favorite if Duke is the ACC Champ and he leads them in scoring and rebounding again. I think he will. I like him as N.P.O.Y
4. Brandon Knight- He has a chance, but I doubt he'll win.
5. Perry Jones- LaceDarius Dunn is his teammate, and he's the best player on Baylor without question. Jones should get about 12 or 13 ppg next year and 6 rpg or so, but he might not be a 1st team All Big 12 guy, let alone National P.O.Y. He won't even be the best player on his own team!
6. Harrison Barnes- He has a chance. I expect his impact to be similar to the one Wesley Johnson had last year.
7. Alec Burks- Now I'm convinced you don't watch Big 12 basketball. Perry Jones and then Alec Burks? Colorado is an NIT team at best, and Burks isn't even the best player on his team (don't let the Burks hype fool you, Cory Higgins is the best player on Colorado). All Big-12? Yes. N.P.O.Y. Not even close.
8. Kemba Walker- Long shot. He'll be an All-Conference player, but N.P.O.Y? HIGHLY doubtful.
9. Jimmer Fredette- I think Freddette will lead the nation in scoring next year. If he does, he has to be in the running, as BYU will be a tourny team more than likely. He's not likely to win, but he's be a contender.
10. Trey Thompkins- I love Thompkins and hope he wins it, but he won't. He'll be an All-American, but he's won't be N.P.O.Y
I agree with everything you said im not ignorant I'm just took a few calculated risk in my top ten remember last year Evan Turner wasn't an odds on favorite and nobody has Demarcus Cousins on their board. Perry Jones is my Demarcus Cousins if you look at the work this kid has put in over the past few months to prepare himself for the college season you'll kno what I'm talking about. Jones is no longer a lanky tweener he has added almost 20 pounds of muscle to his frame since the beginning of his senior year in H.S. and has only added to his skill set. What you have now is a legit 6'11 225 lb forward who can legitimately start at either shooting guard or even center on the college level similar to Durant but only more athletic n less skill.
If Walker can get Uconn a top ranking he will be on the list but a real long shot.
Burks will have the numbers no doubt but like I said he plays for Colorado and I dont see anybody from Colorado winning the NPOY anytime soon. And Burcs is better then Corey Higgins are you kidding me. I'll give you credit for knowing college basketball and recognizing that Corey Higgins is of similar stature and put up around the same numbers but Burcs as a freshmen in less time put up the same a point less, more boards, around the same assists and even managed to shoot higher then Higgins. This year it wont even be close Burcs is the man on that team.
And Fisher is a huge long shot this i know but he has the talent to win in like I said if he can put up 20 5 n 5 which he can easily depending on the chemistry between him and Wayns and 'Nova makes it to the Elite Eight he will be in the running.
Look at Higgins play and Burks play and it's obvious Higgins is better. ANYONE that watches/understands Big 12 basketball will tell you Higgins is a better player than Burks. Higgins was gameplanned for, Burks scored mostly in transition and on loose balls, offensive rebounds etc etc. He was extremely productive, but he scored in ways that would make his percentages higher than Higgins due to the role he played. If you look at raw numbers maybe you'd say he was better, but no way does he produce with defenses drawn up to stop him with as much effectiveness as Higgins did. I know for a fact I was more worried about Higgins lighting K-State up than Burks. Burks has more upside, but he's not a better player right now. And Higgins is still the best player on that team.
All that is nice about Jones, but he's not going to have all that great an impact. Not Player of the Year at least. He's not aggressive, lacks a motor, and isn't very polished right now. Just because he's gotten bigger doesn't allieviate concerns that he isn't tough and lacks passion on the court. Also, with LaceDarius Dunn on his team and the middling PG play that Baylor will have, it's hard to see Jones being all that great. He's not even the best player on his team, so he's not going to be a N.P.O.Y candidate at all.
Corey Fisher won't put up 20 5 and 5. And if he does, Villanova will be an NIT team at best. Scottie Reynolds didn't even put up numbers like that.
UConn won't be a top team. They are an NIT team at best. Walker has little to no shot AT ALL.
jnixon very good comparison with Barnes and Wes Johnson. I agree with anyone who put McCamey because I think Illinois is a sleeper and he put up nice numbers last year. Gotta give Jacob Pullen love too.
Enes Kanter - If he's eligible
Wassup with all the Harrison Barnes hate???? The kid can flat out play. He will get consideration because of more than just his name. He's not this sites projected number 1 overall pick for no reason.
Im not hating on Harrison Barnes, I think he will be a very good player and a potential All-Star....I'm just not sold he is a legit Franchise superstar player yet. I think his game is very smooth and in a system like UNC instead of standing out he will fit into the team system more and blend in. Not a bad thing, I'm not saying he's Marvin Williams, but I'm not saying he's Lebron, He's in between like Luol Deng with more skill and athleticism making him well, Harrison Barnes. And I really think Perry Jones will be the first pick.
Northern Lights I like your list too except I dont think Shelvin Mack has a realistic shot and if he was eligible Ernest Kanter would be my second favorite player to win the award right behind Sullinger.
You think Perry Jones will be the #1 pick?
Harrison Barnes kills him in almost every aspect in the game.
Anyways, Im surprised theres no Kalin Lucas or Nolam Smith love going on around here.
7. Alec Burks (need I mention last years winner?)
I think you do need to bring up Evan Turner. Burks is nowhere near Turner. Even when Turner was underrated before the season, he was seen as a top 10 pick and he always had the 3-d ability
@JNixon I Think you are vastly underrated how much talent Alec Burks has. You are right about Higgins last year. That will not be the case this year, Burcs offensive game will be on full display this year he is almost certain to average around 21 points while Higgins average will drop I do not see Higgins scoring more this year then he did last year. And The things you are saying about Jones are the same things they said about Durant going into college that he lacked the motor, and they said Beasly lacked the focus. And then somebody like Favors who alot of experts thought had it all going into college thru up a dud in his freshmen year.
Reynolds averaged 18 points last year and didn't posses Fisher's natural shooting ability. Last year Fisher in 28 minutes a game averaged 4 assists, and 3 rebounds. So playing over 30 minutes a night as the lead guard it is not far fetched for him to averaged 20 points, 5 rebounds, and 5 assists. The only thing holding Fisher back is Maalik Wayns, the best pro prospect in the Big East, and Dominic Cheeks who are also two high volume scorers.
Mr. Knicks 32 Turner was seen as a pottential lottery pick after his sophomore year when he averaged 17 points and showed his all around versatility. Turner probably wouldn't of even went in the first round had he come out after his freshman year he was a 4 star prospect not a 5 star prospect going to Ohio State. Alec Burks on the other hand would of been a lottery pick after his freshman year even tho he wasn't a 5 star prospect either he averaged over 17 points a game his freshman year. And I dont think Alec Burks will ever be as good as Evan Turner, I do think he has Larry Hughes potential in the NBA.
And yes I do think Perry Jones has a chance at being the Number one pick does this seem far fetched because he is considered the only person by almost any NBA Draft site to be the only person who has a chance at taking the number one pick away from Barnes. It just reminds me so much of the Oden-Durant year where you have this super skilled 6'11 perimeter player who can play both shooting guard and power forward and even center in college and people just acted like this was normal or something and passed on the potential of Durant at the one spot for the "safe no-brainer" in Oden. And while Kevin Durant got the killer instance, BB IQ, and consistant shooting that Jones doesn't have at the moment. Jones has superior athleticism and strength coming into college the Durant doesn't even have nowadays.
People remember this is never an exact science: http://www.predictem.com/cbb/2009-college-basketball-season-preview.php
Read that season preview before last season Ohio State wasn't even ranked in the top 25 in this service. Aldrich was still considered the best big man in College and an automatic double double, in retrospect Cole did not average a double double last year.
The point is you got to have the ability to change perspective and be bold in predictions sometimes to be successfull all i'm trying to do is give you guys a different look on what can play out this year on college basketball, meanwhile only one other person posted his top ten list and you guys so far gave him a negative but atleast he tried and I didn't see too much wrong with his list.
And wreckless I like Kalin Lucas but I like Kemba Walker even more. And If I were to add another PG to the last it would easily be Irving who I'm surprised nobody has made a fuss yet that he isn't on the list because he is a very good basketball player and immediately one of the best PG's in the nation.
OSU was seen as a darkhorse by a couple people. I remember Turner was like #8 in the mock on this site last season.
Yeah Turner going into his JR season had a lot of expectations, but not that many going into his sophomore year, he was known to be a good player with a versatile skill set and had a few memorable games against Derrick Rose while they were in high school. But nobody expected Turner to take off and OSU to have the success they did last year going into the season. Everything is too unpredictable. Remember alot of people thought Avery Bradley was going be Steve Francis last year that didn't quite pan out as expected.
Josh Shelby should also be in any player of the year discussions...
How am I underrating him? What did I say that isn't true about Burks? You probably have seen him play at most 1 time, and I watched about 8 Colorado games last year. I gave you his strengths and weaknesses. You might think Burks is a N.P.O.Y candidate, but I've seen him play enough to know he won't win it or be a legit candidate. He's seriously not a better true basketball player than Cory Higgins is. I know that for a fact.
And how can you say he won't be better than Evan Turner, but you think he can be like Larry Hughes? Does that make sense to you? Because it doesn't to me.
I know that Burks put up 17 ppg and had gaudy stats, yadda yadda ya. But if you don't understand how he got those numbers, what good does that do? It's easy to look at stats and say he's a N.P.O.Y candidate, but when you take into account that he wasn't gameplanned for very much, he scored largely in ways were he got very easy shots (which leads to high efficiency), and he's not a guy who had plays drawn for him to score, it's easy to tell that he's really not as good as you're making him out to be. That guy isn't going to be good enough to be a P.O.Y candidate. His team basically is mediocre and he's not even the best player on his team
Burcs won't win national player of the year because Colorado is a mediocre team. And the only way he can be a serious candidate is by doing what Evan Turner did with OSU and leading his team to a top 10 or 15 ranking which might be enough to give him a serious chance. What you said about Burcs is true, but it was true last year...And what you left out is that he has serious half court potential. You did watch more Colorado games then me because I honestly only watched two live Colorado games last year and the first one was against Texas and I knew of Higgins but not that much about Burcs but Burcs instantly reminded me of Larry Hughes because of how smooth and effortless his game is. He had a few defensive boards that he instantly converted into transition opportunities because of his ball handling abilities that I didn't know he had, but he also wasn't forcing the issue.
Why I feel like you're underrating Burcs is because you are talking about last year and not giving room for growth and what type of player you think he will develop into, and more importantly what kind of player you think he will be this year. This year I think he averages 20 plus points a game and grabs around 7 boards.
And I say he reminds me more of Larry Hughes then Evan Turner because besides the one year in Washington Larry Hughes was best suited as either the first guard off the bench, or a really good 2nd or 3rd option on a team that could play multiple positions. Evan Turner to me can develop into the first option on a team. That's a big differences.
And another thing is Alec Burcs got a lot of his points from dribble drives to the lane, i would estimate 60 percent of his points believe it or not were cause by him driving to the lane. You're talking about somebody who averaged over 6 foul shots a game, that only comes from being aggressive with the ball in your hands I am seriously wondering about that number 8.
He got fouled alot in transition and stuff too. He's a dribble drive threat somewhat, but 60% of his shots came from dribble drive? I don't believe that for one second, unless of course you have a reliable stat to prove it.
He'll be a better player, but Colorado has a new coach. They won't use transition as a way to score as much as last year. He'll grow more in half-court, but I VERY seriously doubt he puts up the inflated stats he put up last year. In fact, I expect his stats to stay the same or probably slightly less and for him to be less efficient from the field. I still think Higgins will be better.
Also, he's no Larry Hughes or Evan Turner. He doesn't possess the ball-handling skills of either, and ball-handling are arguably the biggest strengths of both of those guys offensively. He's more like Richard Roby, who used to play for Colorado back in the day and who set the world on fire as a Fr. Roby was also overhyped, before coming down to Earth in his last 2 years. Burks probably will play his Soph. season and declare while he has hype though, instead of flaming out like Roby did.
yeah..when i 1st saw Richard Roby i thought he'll be another Ray Allen..
But his last 2 years he played like Woody Allen..
JNixon you could be right, and Burks and Roby do share a ton of similarities and even tho Roby was a higher prospect coming into college I believe Burks is a better prospect because Burks is longer and more athletic then Roby. Plus Burks had more success last year then Roby ever had in college for the guy never got better in fact it's like the longer he stayed in college the worse he got and he stayed all four years. Roby's case is really unique in that aspect because it's not often somebodies stays in college all four years and manages to keep the same exact averages but shot a lower percent as he went on. I ultimately feel as if Burks NBA potential is somewhere closer to a Josh Childress, Corey Brewer, or even CJ Miles. But even Childress and Brewer were NPOY candidates in college and lottery who just never developed a clutch or scoring instincts in the pros. Burcs will show you this year that he can excel in a half court setting is my guess tho. He will be able to score off of pull ups, floaters, and runners in the lane better in the half court setting then you think.
Josh Childress is probably his ceiling as a prospect, but Burks won't be a N.P.O.Y candidate like Childress was. Stanford was undefeated for a huge portion of the season Childress was a candidate, Colorado has no chance of being undefeated or of even being ranked lol. It was a mistake to mention Burks as a N.P.O.Y candidate. He has no shot at it guy.
He will be able to play in the half-court. But for you to say he will be a N.P.O.Y candidate and then saying I'm underrating makes no sense to me. He's not as good as most are making him out to be. He'll probably be like 2nd Team All-Big 12 next year. I understand that he's one of the better players in the conference, but he's not even the best player on a team that lost like 20 games last year, so I doubt he'll win enough for him to deserve any mention in a post like this.
He probably will average like 15 or 16 ppg and he'll probably lose efficiency next year too. The style Coach Bzelik used to run was the reason his numbers were so inflated. He's good, but he's being overhyped by sooooo many people
Harrison Barnes (because of his name)???? more like (because of his skill)
JNixon who is your short list of 5 players you feel have the best chance of winning NPOY then? My two favorite are Sullinger, and Singler with Fisher being my reach, I love Big East and Villanova has easily the deepest and most talented roster on that conference making it hard for Fisher to really put up the statistics he will need to be considered but 'Nova will have the record and Corey Fisher is going to remind people of Ben Gordon at Uconn this year but with better court vision. Fisher and Austin Freeman will battle it out for Big East player of the year IMO. The best player in one of college basketballs best conferences will more likely then not be considered.
I said Harrison Barnes because of his name because he does have the skill and he is already proven himself enough coming into college that I feel like he deserves to be on any list of NPOY candidates but I'm not sure how much of a shot he really got I just don't know how much he will dominate as a freshman playing under Roy Williams in their system with the depth of their roster. If he won it it wouldn't surprise me but I do not expect him to dominate college basketball the way a lot of people are predicting him to. I see him averaging somewhere around 15 points, and 6 rebounds and maybe 2 assists. When it comes to freshman I think Sullinger will have a big year. I also think Shelby could have a huge year along with Perry Jones (I know alot of people disagree with Jones), and Irving.
My top 5 guys are:
Singler I think has about as a good a shot at anybody in winning it.
Freddette I'm rooting for a little bit because I like when players can bring attention to a dormant institution and although BYU is a big college they haven't gotten this much attention in the national spotlight since probably Danny Ainge played for them. Look for Freddette to become a media darling this year he has a real shot at winning it too and leading the nation in scoring.
Kalin Lucas i like also but when i posted my ten it came down between Lucas and Kemba Walker, in fact I had Lucas first
but then i replaced him with Kemba Walker, I use to really like Lucas but he hasn't progressed the way I thought he would in his 3 years at MSU so far. He became more efficient last year and made obvious better descisions with the basketball in his hand but in the end his overall impact on the team seemed to be the same. I watched Walker drop 29 against my Nova Wildcats when Nova when throwing every guard they could on him and he still lead the less talented Uconn almost by himself as he finished with 29, and 9 and played every minute that night doing a great job of holding Reynolds down,
then Fisher and Wayns when he would switch off. Uconn then went on a 3 game tear and beat Rutgers and West VA. The Uconn team this year will be a lot better and I expect to see Walker get more praise as a PG this year then Lucas.
McCamey- gotta love his game, he looks a plays like a poors man Deron Williams to me. But unless he improves his consistency and outside shooting i don't think he'll be in the running. If he does he could be one of top 5 PG's in college basketball this season I just don't see him improving too drastically from his JR. to SR. year.
Barnes- I really can't wait to see what he does. If he does what people think he can do he should be one, but it's probably going to be somewhere in between. I really think Sullinger, Irving, Shelby, and Jones can have better freshman years.
McCamey shooting and consistency? Are you serious? You think Alec Burks will be in the running, but you don't think Demetri McCamey will be because he lacks shooting and consistency? Do you realize that Illinois will be a Final 4 contender next season? And guess who will be the best player on their team? Demetri McCamey. He isn't a great 3-POINT shooter, but that's a concern for another day. Like draft workouts. He was extremely effective last season, with a good mid-range shot, and he should be once again extremely effective next year. I know for a fact he will be in the running, unless he gets injured and misses a bunch of games.
Lol Kalin Lucas hasn't developed like you thought? What are you talking about? He led Michigan State to the title game as a Sophomore and probably would have again if he was healthy last year. What exactly did you think he'd develop into? He's the best PG in the nation to me. And yes, he's better than Kemba Walker. Walker is the one that hasn't developed like most thought. Everyone thought he was going to be a lotto pick early last year, but he struggled worse than anybody you even mentioned on this list.
Also, how can you say Kemba Walker will be in the running over Kalin Lucas? Really man? You do know UConn won't be very good next year right? They are probably going to be a bubble team all year. And how can you say McCamey won't be in the running because he lacks shooting and consistency, and then say KEMBA WALKER will be in the running? Walker is wayyyyyy more inconsistent and a worse shooter than McCamey is. Like really dude. Come on.
Kalin Lucas exactly lead MSU to a title game as a sophomore so I'm thinking coming back as a JR he is going to be one of the top PG's in college basketball and he disapointed. He was virtually the same player his sophomore year as he was in his JR year then he got hurt in the first half of the 1st game and guess what happen? MSU won their next 3 games without Lucas because they are just that good with or without Lucas.
And when i said McCamey won't be in the running I really meant I dont feel he will be top 5 running. I think if he comes out with a better 3 point shot, and wasn't so erratic with his scoring like 8 points one game then 27 the next he could win it. McCamey will be in the running just not top 5 to me, top 10? Yeah thats easily possible. And I think having a 3 point shot is key for a pass first PG because it makes defenders run out on you opening up the lane. I do like McCamey a lot and if he had a great year and won it he wouldn't surprise me one bit, Lucas I don't think that much about.
And UCONN is going to surprise people this year they won't be a top 10 team by any means but a top 25 team is not out of the question because of Kemba Walker. He didn't have a great freshman year no but he got better last year as the season went along including a string of 20 point games last year. He is going to have a very good JR. season and prove that he is one of the best PG's in the nation. I won't say he is better then McCamey because at a college level right now he is now, but i do think he is better then Lucas in fact I know he is better then Lucas. If colleges could trade players i guarantee UCONN wouldn't trade Walker for Lucas. And one of the main reason I think Burks will be in the running is because Higgins and Burks should make Colorado and tournament team this year that could upset and surprise a lot of people. And like i said Burks has a better offensive arsenal then you think. He is a consistent shooting and dribbling away from having the complete package for a shooting guard.
And like I said from the beginning the whole goal of my list was to give people a different view on players who I really feel have the potential to have great seasons and be considered for different reasons. I really do believe the ten players I mentioned could come up huge this year and be considered for the award. If I was betting money I would go with safer picks and my list would be different. And UCONN has a better team then most people realized. They play a tough schedule and stayed in every game they played. The games they lost were all mostly by less then 10 points. Like they almost upset Kentucky last year only lost by 3 and in the game Walker played Wall about as tough as anybody played him all year long. Walker is a rondo type PG that makes his teamates better and causes problems on defense. He has game changing talent and like I said I already saw him take games over against top tier teams.
They won because Tom Izzo made the right adjustments to get Michigan State to win without him. It's not because Michigan State was just as good without him. Did you not see how they played in the regular season when Lucas was hurt? You probably didn't watch the tourny though, because it was obvious Corey Lucious limited them a bit. They slowed games down and played tough D, and got to the Final 4. That was more about Tom Izzo's coaching than Lucas not mattering. Lucas is the best PG in college basketball, you trying to make a case for KEMBA WALKER being a candidate over him makes no sense. Walker may be a better prospect, but as a player in college? I don't think so. Lucas will have WAY more of an effect on the N.P.O.Y rankings than Kemba Walker. Walker will be a good player on a raw and mediocre team. I guarantee he will not factor in the voting man. GUARANTEE. UConn isn't going to surprise anybody, unless you expect them to make the tourny. That would be the surprise. Walker will make the All-Big East, but he won't even be mentioned by more than a stupid writer that live in Storrs, Connecticut and you as a N.P.O.Y candidate.
Alec Burks is defense, shooting, and ball-handling away from being a complete guard. He needs to polish everyhting about his game. He isn't close to a finished product.
Demetri McCamey will also be a P.O.Y. shortlist player. Watch. Especially if Illinois takes the Big 10, which they very well could do. If they win the Big 10, he will probably be a top 3 candidate. He would have to play well for that to happen.
Reading stuff this like is why I'm so high on Alec Burks:
Alec Burks 6'6 PG/SG Colorado So. -- Alec Burks could become this season's Evan Turner. His style of play, smoothness and athleticism (and even major weakness - shooting) are all very similar to Turner's. He won't be playing on as strong a team but could have an All American type of season next year. He can handle the ball like a point guard and can create offense for himself or others. He scored more points than anyone in the college scrimmages and made it look easy. Burks really impressed with his all around game, scoring on pull ups as well as taking it to the rack. He doesn't blow you away with his athleticism, though it's very good, instead he uses intelligence and an advanced feel for the game to beat opponents. Working on his outside shot should obviously be his focus. If he can shoot in the 40s on a decent volume and lead the team to some post season success, there's no reason he can't be a top 5 pick. Turner's success in Philly this year could end up being directly tied to Burks draft position.
And FYI: McCamey is not better then Corey Fisher, He's just not. Yeah McCamey got a nice mid range game and racks up assists but quicker and longer defenders give him a ton of trouble because he don't have the foot speed or the first step to get by them. So with defenses focuses more on him this year I am thinking it is going to b very hard for hard to not only get better but also put at stats any better then he did last year which weren't good enough last year for him to be a NPOY candidate so I don't think much changes this year. Fisher on the other hands has the quickness, strength, and ball handling ability to get by anybody combine that with his deadley 3 point shooting meaning players got to come out to guard him he will either be stroking 3's or bullying his way into the lane all year where he has the craftiness to finish or the court vision and passing ability to find Stokes or Cheek out on the wing for an easy 3...but enough talk let's see how things play out.
You seriously have no clue if you think Corey Fisher is a better player than Demetri McCamey right now lol....Like, no clue at all. And his numbers last year weren't N.P.O.Y worthy because Illinois was an NIT team. The same reason why Burks won't be a candidate. With Illinois a possible title contender, he will get recognition around the country.
Yessir. McCamey is a major sleeper. He'll again be among the national leaders in assists and I think Illinois is a major sleeper in the Big Ten. Regardless of who is better McCamey will likly have better stats because Fisher will be sharing time with another true point in Maalik Wayns. The only thing hurting him is the reputation hes garnered as not being a very good kid and a bad leader which does count for something. Then again winning will disspell that
wHat is you're Perry jones poy based on?
You clearly never watched him
in hs and it's clear he would be a Hugh pick because if what he might do in the future. Don't be suprised if he falls like Deandre Jordan did but not as much because he doesn't have the competition down low.
He has a low motor which will prevent him from being considered for any award. IMO he won't make first or second team all conference
as far as burks he's very very good. Best freshman since billups out there. He's a step behind higgens but not a big step. Better rebounder as well.
On what ground is McCamey better then Fisher? You sound like you're arguing from your heart more then logic. McCameys numbers were okay last year he was second in the nation in assists and all that good stuff but he took a preseason top 25 team to the N.I.T. because of his inconsistent play. McCamey posted averages in 35 minutes of 15 points, 7 assists, almost 4 rebouds, and 1.5 steals being the head honcho on his team, being the man per say, being the guy who had the ball in his hands the whole time. Fisher in only 27 minutes put up over 13 points, 4 assists, and 3 rebounds to go along with 1.3 steals on a top ten tourney team. The real tourney not to mention Fisher shooting numbers are better across the board. And them 4 assists in 27 minutes came on a team loaded with guards featuring Big East Runner Up Scottie Renolds, and super soph Maalik Wayns. Fisher is better then McCamey at every aspect of the game except you could say passing. You can't say McCamey is a better leader because if he was his team would of been in the Tourney only his play kept them out the Tourney.
Fisher is a better shooter, a better athlete, a better defender, a better dribbler, and his court vision should no be taken lightly because I've witness Fisher make passes that only a few guards in the country could of made.
Now that Fisher will be the lead guard on a ranked top ten team he is going to prove why he was a Mcdonalds All American and MVP of the Jordan Classic coming into 'Nova. With Fisher getting around 34 minutes a game this year look for him to post averages of 19 points, 6 assists, 4.5 rebounds and almost 2 steals, not to mention he will shoot from over 40% from the 3 line this year.
An Illinois will not be a title contender thats just absurd because they're not even close to being the best team in the Big Ten. Michigan State, Ohio State, Wisconsin, and Purdue are all better then Illinois. The only one you could argue is Wisconsin but i expect Jon Leuer and Jordan Taylor to have breakout years. And Purdue got 3 players who are better then McCamey in Moore, Hummel, and Johnson.
Which bring me to a player I forgot on my list Johnson has a way better shot at winning NPOY then McCamey, I would say Moore does too, but Johnson will the man this year for that team especially come tourny time when they're gonna be feeding him all night either in the post or hitting them mid ranges which he has gotten better at over the summer.
You do know demeri was second in the nation in assists while putting up good scoring numbers
Fisher is behind Corey sticks on his own team as far as best player and in the conference behind
Chris wright and Austin Freeman for gtown and Kemba walker at uconn
@Stanford Hoops I will tell you why I have Jones on my list. I have been following Perry Jones since his Jr year of High School because he reminded me of Kevin Durant with Tracey McGrady athleticism. But you are right he disappointed me in a big way during his senior year. He got the skill to be making this the Perry Jones draft buts it not,....not yet.
Jones commited to Baylor as a freshman, Baylor coaches has been in constant contact with him throughout his high school years. They have a great relationship. There have been rumors that the reason he didn't go all out his senior year is because of the Baylor coaching in his hear telling him make sure you don't get hurt. I dont really believe that but what I do kno is this.
At the Adidas Nations he looked dominant. He has added about 20 pounds of muscle and lost none of his quickness or leaping ability. He is now a legit 6'11 230 lb inside outside threat. The kid can literally play anything from shooting guard guard to center. Like extremely well, not only has he added weight but he has added to his perimeter skill set. He can now easily hit everything out to the college three, he can take people off of the dribble sometimes multiple people and either pull up for a J or continue in for a dunk. He has also added alot of post moves to his underneath game. The hook shot he got going now is virtually unstoppable from somebody of his size and leaping ability. Not only that he has shown a willingness to bang underneath and run the floor. Jonathon Givony of draftexpress.com tweeted that he was running the floor like a man possessed to shake the "going through the motions" tag he has had.
Not only that he is Baylors biggest recruit ever. Their biggest haul. They're program is on their way to becoming a power house and Jones success at Baylor is integral to them continuing to be able to get recruits. If Jones pulls a Mike Beasley more and more high profile athlete from Texas will want to play there. If he does a Derrick Favor's it'll be a wash. Well Favors can't hit the three or take people off of the dribble, not to mention Jones is a better passer then people think.
So in the end I realize Dunn is their best player but he is nothing more then a scorer. True he is about to break a few scoring records but thats what he does score. And when the shots arent falling like they tend not to do in tight games the balls will be in Perry's hand. Baylor wants Jones in the spotlight so Baylor can be in the spot light. They will give him every opportunity and he got the talent to prove them right. I look for him to average around 17 points, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, and 3 blocks on a Baylor team that I feel will in the top 8 in the country by the end of the season hence the reason he is on my list.
Since u watched him you should know he's nothing like durant. His jumper is very inconsistant so he can not play shooting guard. Tmac at the same age was better at every aspect
he has trouble at small forward when he plays it in a half court setting
as far as potential there is none higher but have you ever heard of a guy with a low motor at this stage in their careers everchange?
Some tried to say cousins but it wasn't motor with him
it was laziness from
dominating. Also don't look to much into small sample sizes like a couple games at camps. The true vaule of a player is all there games or season
How am I arguing with my heart more than with my head? Are you serious? You just aren't saying stuff that makes sense. Demetri McCamey is better than Fisher. More efficient. Better passer. Fisher shot the deep ball better last year and is a better defender, but Fisher got chances to score last year. Maalik Wayns wasn't a huge factor last year at all, he didn't really take that many noteworthy shots from him. Anyone with a brain and without bias would take McCamey over Fisher, it's not purely based on stats either. It's much easier to win while getting gaudy stats with McCamey than Fisher. McCamey is clearly better to me. Fisher can defend ON-BALL and shoot the deep ball better, but that's it.
Also, Perry Jones ain't getting N.P.O.Y
@ Stanford Hoops, Im not saying he will be Durant and T-Mac is 3 inches shorter and like 35 lbs lighter at the same age and couldn't player power forward or center. Yes his shot is inconsistent but that just comes with repetition and yeah there are a bunch of players who had a perceived low motor that went on to put up better stats then expected in the pros. Iggy for one averages 19 points in H.S. and 12 in college and almost averaged 20 in the NBA last year...If i had time to think I'd give you more but what you said about DMC can be said about Perry Jones, He's bored with the competition like whenever he wants he can take the ball and jump over half the team for a dunk. Plus he still averaged 16 pnts 11 rebounds and 4 assists in high school.
@ JNixon no i'm only half serious when i say things like that I try to keep things as light hearted as possible and Maalik Waynes averaged over 7 points last year and 3 assists he got more burn then people noticed last year. And Fisher is a clearly better basketball player, McCamey got Marcus Williams written all over him...Fisher will atleast be a Lowry or Foye type talent in the NBA. And Illinois is not that good they have no shot at winning the Big Ten tournament.
McCamey is more Andre Miller than Marcus Williams. Williams was never the kind of natural scorer McCamey is, and he's not as good a shooter, especially from mid-range. Illinois definitely has a chance to win the Big 10 tourny. It could be argued that they have the most talented roster in the Big 10 right now. I seriously don't think you really understand basketball if you think a team with the talented roster like Illinois roster doesn't even have a chance to win the conference.
Also, Maalik Wayns averaged 1.3 (and 1.4 to's) assists a game. Not 3. And he played 15 mpg, and not all of those minutes came directly from Fisher's time. And Fisher will AT MOST be a Kyle Lowry type. He's not even a Randy Foye type, because he's even smaller than Foye is.
No because cousins still dominated. Perry never dominated but he did get dominated a couple times. His shot isn't just inconsistant. When he is hitting his shot still isn't good enough to
Iggy never had a low motor and changed. Has nothing to do with stats. And you didn't name any because you can't think of any
First Off Stanford Hoops Lemme RePhrase that Perry Jones problem isn't his motor, its his aggressiveness with the basketball like your Lamar Odom Types Jones is unselfish to a fault and yes he is a good passer. In H.S. he averaged 16 points, 10 rebounds, 5 assists, and 2 blocks. You dont get them rebound numbers or blocks are assists by having a low motor. Maybe if he would of passed a little less he would have more points. James Harden for instance averaged 18 points, 8 rebounds, and 4 assists as a SR. in High School he had no trouble averaging 17 his freshman year. Steph Curry only averaged 18 points in H.S. We went on to be one of deadliest scorers in college for 3 years. Brooks Lopez only averaged 15 points, 10 rebounds, and 2.5 blocks as a SR. In High School. Now Brooks Lopez is a franchise center and also had a good 2 year college career.
Then you have players like Rudy Gay, Richard Jefferson, Lamarcus Aldridge, Tayshaun Prince, and even Jeff Greene and Roy Hibbert. They all that that "motor", "assertiveness," "desire" or whatever you wanna call it but in the pros they wound up being even better then they were in college. Jefferson averaged 11 points in 3 years at Arizona and become a 20 point game scorer, Gay too he only averaged 14 and now scores 20 everynight. Then look at somebody like John Salmon who nobody would ever thought be more then a 6th man is nowadays in the NBA a proven scorer.
The point is everybody develops different and at different times, you never know when the light bulb is gonna turn on. It happens early for some players and later for other. Perry Jones is a unique situation because he signed his letter of intent and committed to Baylor as a Freshman. You wonder just how much he cared about High School ball. He did light up the summer league and AAU circuits tho. And he continued doing so in the Adidas worlds. I'm just letting you hear it here first that Perry Jones is something else.
JNixon I have been respected most of what you say but how does Illinois have the best roster in the Big East? They're second best player is probably Mike Davis who is not anything special. Name 3 players on Illinois better then E. Moore, Pummel, or JuJuan Johnson. A lot of people will argue that Moore is better then McCamey and Johnson is the best player in the whole big east, he's easily the best big man depending on what Sullinger does. Ohio State is stacked too with Diebler, Lighty, Sullinger, and William Buford. Not even to mention Michigan State, do that not only have a considerably deeper roster but MSU starting PG is better then the Illini's hands down. So where does that seriously leave Illinois?
They have Demetri McCamey, Fr. McDonald's All-American Jereme Richmond, Mike Davis is an NBA prospect who probably will have his best season next year, D.J. Richardson and Brandon Paul are both long term NBA prospects at SG and off-guard and both will be better, more efficient, and older next season. And Mike Tisdale is a face-up shooter and shot blocker at this level who is also a fringe prospect. Also add in Meyers Leonard who is along the same line as the Plumlee brothers as an athletic 7' C who will show good passing skills and potential off the bench in the rotation next year, and Crandall Head who will be an instant offensive piece off the bench too. As far as pure talent, they probably are the most talented team in their 8-deep rotation in the Big 10, with Purdue and Ohio State just behind.
McCamey is better than E'Twaun Moore. Nobody would argue that that watched Big 10 basketball last year. It's close, but McCamey is better.
JuJuan Johnson isn't the best player in the Big 10. Kalin Lucas is.
Teams are more top-heavy than Illinois probably, but Illinois has 8 legitimately talented players. So they probably have the most talent in the Big 10 on their roster altogether.
That's were u are wrong Perry didn't light up the summer leauges and aau. He showed flashes but he didn't dominate at all
his motor is low. That's the concensus with every scouting report which is why he was just ok in highschool not because he signed early. Did u watch the game on espn with him verses lybryan Nash. It was very ugly. He got killed not becaus Nash was way better but because he doesn't play hard awhole game just spurts. Rudy gay and odom dominated in highschool. Even while being laid back players. Jones didn't. The addidas is open gym basketball which is wayyy different from regulation basketball
if he had a motor like Micheal
gilchrist he would dominate aau and highschool and prob college. Or if he had Tobias Harris or Harrison barnes work eithic and motor