TONY WROTEN is without the question the best point in this draft !
Tony Wroten had the 2nd fastest time in nba combine history with a 3.0 only second to his cousin nate robinson . Just thought people may like to know that since this site failed to post the correct result and at 6'6 may be pound for pound the fastest , most savy gaurd in recent memory . Also Tony is a far more superior gaurd than kendall or lillard period . Kendall was in sports illustrated as a 6th grader and still chose to hold his self back to seem better than his new class . So for a guy who was supposed to be a college junior ya he had a nice iq and mature game . Tony just turned 19 in april and yes he is sometimes sparatic but has a pottential that is unmatched in this draft . Lillard would never workout against tony because he would be destroyed for a job .Tonys aggression is sometimes looked upon as brash but people please dont buy into the hype . Tony is one of the most solid 19 yr old kids you could meet . He has alot to work on Yes !! but that is all that is stated in attemp to downplay this kid . He is a top 5 prospect with what he has right now though ! I will also include some obvious video to prove Tony is a phenom that none of the draft sites have posted to show instead of write to add validity to this message http://youtu.be/HooPPwJTU3Y?hd=1
Leadership ??? At 18 Tony scored 30 on duke in madison square !! there is no way to down play that !while leaders T.ross and Gaddy admited the bright lights of the garden and duke had them a little nervous (understandable) but there was an 18 yr old kid who was fearless . Imagine going to a war and your sargent hesitates and gets people killed while the 18 yr old kid from rotc who was just along for the ride , leads your troops to near victory ...come on generals i mean gms who are you gonna take to lead your next war ??? Romar made a mistake by not giving Tony full rein (I commend Romars Loyalty to his returners so very understandable ) but Tony led the pack 12 in scoring with not a single play called for him . was never even told to post up much much smaller gaurds .shoot lol that was taboo . was specifically told not to shoot ..repeadedly !i saw tony score 50 points in pro am all jumpers two months before . he scored 42 in all star game and was mvp for the 2nd yr and you know the talent of seattle nba guys http://youtu.be/4-EEuWjC0j0?hd=1
Put lillard or kendall at uw under the same scrutiny they would not be record breakers or on espn top plays twice in same month and to be real those guys at 18 wouldnt even have seen the floor people . Put Tony at north carolina or kentucky and there would be no doubt he is a giant magician , he showed you his superboy vision at the jordan game . growing up Kendall was never even better than abdul gaddy but he developed . Check statistics and i gaurantee that Tony is the same age or even younger than some of your top rated highschool seniors especially prep and post grad !! His bad attituide lol Michael Jordan specifically used to tell players at north carolina that they should be honered to be in his presence let alone play basketball with him . MJ talked more sh*t than mayweather as a 18 19 20 yr old kid but now you get to see that weaties , hanes smile . people grow up or atleast refine themselves as will Tony ! As strong minded as you are, when mass media says you cant shoot or make free throws it will play with your mental!!The sickening part of these reviews is that he can actually shoot !! ive seen Tony hit 11 , 12 3s in one game several times growing up ...when that wise gm says heres a few million dollars and your dream come true because we believe in you watch how that brown thing starts dropping in that round thing ! he is a lefty and it is in his blood , his aunt joyce walker - lsu hall of fame , one of the first ladys to play for harlem globetrotters and one of the purest shooters in history knows when he finds it he will never loose it . heres a tip for trainers and coaches , when he leaves it up there and his fingers point towards rim he is automatic ...TRUST . At the fiba games many scouts said undoubtedly he was the number 1 pro prospect and though many people second guess there selves to be popular ...THAT HAS NOT CHANGED . Ask peyton siva of louiville how much of a great team mate tony was and the leadership he had even as a 14 yr old playing up with them , the puzzle that is tony wroten is not hard to put together , in this same yr Tony at 14 droped 38 on the prestigeous boo williams when kendall at 17 was a non factor ? http://youtu.be/YVhduTLzM30 I have seen tony interact with his friends and family for yrs and if tony had 10 dollars he would keep maybe a quarter and give away the 9.75 this is no exageration and something gms should know about his character . you got kids in stolen houses , taking money ,in gang brawls and complete head cases going lottery but you label tony wroten as a bad apple lol as tough as this kid is has he even been suspended for a fight . media is a very powerful tool but im not buying into that Tony is not the top point . As much as critics want Tony to stop half *ssing his game , Stop half *ss reporting . here are some more videos and ya higlights can make anyone look great but if he wasnt great there wouldnt be numerous consistant highlights to make . ps L.O.E is a group of childhood friends that all play college sports and aiming to get degrees in business and communications .
No, that would be Damian Lillard
Lillards camp wont let him workout against Tony .... wonder why that is lol . Being wrong is ok brother . another washington guy Isaiah Thomas went from the 60th pick to up for rookie of the year . Tony will also prove many wrong grama
He's not the best but by far has the most potential.
Wroten is not a pure point guard as evident to his 3.8:3.5 assist to turnover ratio. He can't make the simple passes like a true point guard and instead always tries to be flashy his passes also put his teammates in bad spots rather than set them up. Potential wise he has the most but he reminds me of Kyle weaver too much
i didnt read everything in the OP, but after skim reading, one thing that stood out was the claim that wroten scored 30 on duke in MSGarden. He actually had 23. Admittingly it was 23 in just 24 minutes on 8-12 shooting where he made the duke gaurds look helpless, but if you are just throwing numbers out there randomly without checking your stats, it leads to me wonder how much else you just threw out there in order to make wroten look good.
i appreciate you keeping it real while correcting me sir ( only 23 on duke in madison square garden at 18 yrs old ) but the fact remains the example holds true . The kid is from a city full of pros and legit NBA players ...ask them , im sure you could respect the slew of nba guys from washington and there different experiences and they are all in agreement that Tony is washingtons prince and by far the best point in this draft . Lillard is good but would not even come close to getting mvp in seattle proam among the talent that participates . im nobody ... just tryna spark some thoughts . this kid can shoot , lead a team and thrive in the nba !
NOBODY needed a second year in college more than Wroten. If he is truly a point guard, learning to run a team and quality decision making are imparitive, so is shooting. He isn't there yet. He has tremendous physical abilities and passes extremely well, but his game is incomplete. Word is his interviews actually went very well.... Regardless, Wroten enters the league unprepared at the most difficult position to master. The fact that his shot is so bad really concerns teams. Getting into the first round is not a given for him right now.
They let those stereotypes and things like that hinder their judgement so much that people like Isaiah thomas get completely skipped over. If you look closely at the combine measurements isaiah thomas's standing reach was higher than Kemba's which in alot of ways would make him effectively a bit taller than kemba even though Kemba is 6'1" and Thomas is 5'10",,,not saying that thomas is necessarily a better player than kemba (even though...the argument could be made) but Thomas was clearly a better player than fredette, and many other players who are probably now in the d-league but he was over looked for mere aesthetic reasons like height,,,So the same mistake could be being made right now...Fact is that Wroten is an electric top 10 talent...he's 6'5" ,super quick, a great ballhandler, one of a kind court vision, and can get to the rim at will...i feel like he will at THE LEAST be a 15 ppg 5 assist player over the next 3 years with alot of room improvement especially with jumpshots being the most improvable aspect of any player's game...hes a great top 10 talent, wouldn't be surprised if he ended up better than Rivers and Lamb.
LOE TV #3 (TWJr working out with BRoy, JCrawford and others):
TW Jr BasketballHilight Mixes:
TW Jr SwishScout:
Tony Wroten Jr Block & Alley Oop Sequence:
TW Jr Jordan Brand Classic game of 2011:
TW Jr 2 ADavis for the dunk:
How many pg's can do this:
Tony Wroten Jr Rotary AAU:
Plus TWJr has won a game with his defense as he blocked an Arizona player's lay up attempt as the clock ran out in Arizona.
People who talk about his broken jumper (JKidd, Rondo anyone?) & high TO to Assist rate at UW (Gaddy ran the pg spot for over 30 plus minutes a game) are stuck on stupid because N'Diaye dropped so many TWJr dimes that hit him right in his hands and the ones that he did catch he didn't finish enough of them off strong at the rim on a consistent enough basis.
In the NBA TWJr will have bigs that can catch and finish his dimes on time at a high rate- TWJr (who just turned 19) will be a steal if he falls out of the top 10 for any team that drafts him plus he's a gym rat not a nite club rat he will only get better with pro shooting coaches & hours in the gym.
I'd love to see a Wroten Jr & Rubio (once healthy) backcourt in Minnesota that would be sick.....
id give the best pg award in this draft to lillard
Lol..At this Time next year..All of us will be asking how did this kid get overlooked in the draft...Despite his Limitations,Memphis coach Hollins said he loves Wroten playmaking ability,size and ability to get to the rim..I doubt he gets pass Memphis...Who might chose him to backup Conley.His shot will come around,if he's willing to work on it..Jason Kidd and Mike Conley werent great shooters when they came in the nba..And still arent great shooters..But they've worked on their shot and are among the leaders percentage wise in the nba...
Are you Wroten's agent or something? You joined today and your first 5 posts are all pumping Wroten.
Bascially, Wroten wants to be paid to learn to shoot. He shoulda had that down already or spent another year in D1 doing exactly that. Don't get me wrong,... Wroten has the potential to be everything you said he is, but he's not there right now and some dudes can never put it together. Thats a massive risk for a GM with his job on the line to take.... unless risk outweighs reward, which a very late 1st round or second round pick should afford.
Whats good hot snot . To be real Tony would never have to even shoot a jumper and could be an all star off passing and running a team . he will get paid for being an elite pro . he already knows how to shoot
Whats good hot snot . To be real Tony would never have to even shoot a jumper and could be an all star off passing and running a team . he will get paid for being an elite pro . he already knows how to shoot
I think this guy is going to be a good player. I'm not sure what teams think of him, but I feel like 10 to NO or 11 to Portland wouldn't be unreasonable. How often does this kind of athleticism, size, body control, and ball handling come along in one 19 year old lefty? If I was a GM, this is the kind of player I would probably pull the trigger on a little early just to make sure I get him.
Wroten has the potential to become an elite PG in the NBA. in this currrent time, i see him being a solid NBA point guard. someone like andre miller with better athleticism and a shade below miller in terms of court vision. if wroten develops his jumpshot, matures as a PG, and improves in the half-court i see him being someone like Russell Westbrook, (hopefully without the mad shooting spurts).
I didnt read the whole thing but tony never scored 30 on duke in MSG, even though thats absolutely pointless in a discussion for best pg... He out of all pointguards is by far probably the best athlete , passer , and guy with most potential. The only thing that should and is slowing him down is his bball IQ and leadership... he can always work on his shooting but those first 2 a great point guard should already have em.
As far as best Pg, i havent seen enough of lillard or against quality competition to claim him the best, instead i'll give it to Kendall Marshall (UNC bias you can say) but kendall got better as the year went on..he became more of a scorer who could ALSO run a team..give him tony wroten's athleticism and speed and he's probably the best PURE PG prospect since Nash
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, PLEASE STOP OVERRATING TONY WROTEN! He's not even a PG IMO. I don't how any NBA team could trust him running an offense. He's an atrocious decision-maker w low BBIQ. He's being projected in the 2nd round now, where he belongs.
What a joke.
you know Wroten is an immense talent...but I agree, being in the 1st round isnt a given because he is point blank a bad shooter for ANYONE on an NBA level. you can take just about everything and everyone with a grain of salt from the Combine, but this guy couldnt buy a jumpshot there in just basic shootarounds.
I always debate guys when they say Tyreke or Kendall Marshall cant shoot. that is not true, both have the makings of solid jumpshots once they get set. Wroten is the one guy that I have seen in recent memory that absolutely cannot shoot.
I have no doubt that Hollins likes him, but Selby is better right now and has shown some good potential so I think they may think long and hard about selecting Wroten. I am a fan of Wroten's but he is not on the level of Rondo as far as shooting and he doesnt have Rondo's IQ to make up for it.
As much upside as he has, he will NEVER be an elite or close to it if he doesnt improve drastically in the shooting department because he will be a liability. Teams will play 10' off of him. Kidd and Conley were never that bad as far as shooting.
I agree on you with most of everything you said Surve. But Tyeke in my opinion cannot shoot. I have watched a lot of Kings games. He cannot shoot at all in my opinion.
My bad I was pretty drumk writing that.
I was at the pac-12 tournament and watched wroten miss 3 of his last 4 free throws that could have iced it, lost all faith in him. So disappointed.
^ did you also lose faith in derrick rose? lol.
Im still ridin with Teague.
if he's even a point guard. Let alone the best one in this (PG weak) draft.
I will say this whatever team lucks up and drafts this kid will be getting a projected 2013 top 5 pick a year ealy- do the full math no the half....
The further down he drops on draft nite just add another log to his motivation fire as well as after the Vegas Summer Leauge his name will be on the tip of everyone's tounges.........making one GM look like a genius.
Pro-1, thats almost identitcal to how Javaris Crittenton started his NBA career. he's one of many prime examples why point guards to be in this league should be patient and develop their games more before going pro since it will benefit them more in the short and long run. there was Derek Rose and Tyreke Evans(debateable if point guard) who was a one and done in college then made an imediete impact in the league. a lot needed more years in the league before becoming a contributer, and some even never develop and play themselves out of the league.
3 things on Wroten
1) he can't shoot so hes not a true SG
2) hes a terrible decision-maker so he's not a true PG
3) that being said, the guy has a knack for playmaking, just in a very sloppy way
3 things on Wroten Jr:
1. He can get to the rim and finish strong while drawing fouls.
2. He has excellent court vision and passing ability.
3. He has won a game (Arizona) with his defense.
TW Jr stands 6'4.75 w/o shoes add an inch for shoes and he's a shade under 6'6 at 6'5.75 plus he's a rock solid 203 pounds (5.2% body fat) with sprinters speed and wide receiver agility.
A 19 year old certified gym rat and people can't fathom him improving on his outside shot & decision making?
People do you realize that Abdul Gaddy (former Mickey D's All American) was the UW's starting PG and played well over 30 minutes a game?
To say Tyreke "cant shoot" is a misnomer. Is he a good shooter in the NBA yet? No. If you look at his form and him shooting around, you can see, its more of how he plays in game that causes him no to be a good jumpshooter. I can tell you right now, if he could get the mental focus to be as relaxed on the court as he is in this shootaround, he would be a much better jumpshooter. The way he can achieve that...simple....work. Repititions. Let it become 2nd nature. Larry Bird would shoot a 1000 jumpers a day until he said when it came time to shoot, the ball was out of his hands. He didnt have to think about it. Tyreke has questionable work ethic, thats his problem.
now look at this...Wroten cant hit a shot standing in the same freaking spot. Yet this is an NBA player? I can shoot better than Wroten, if we judge by this video. So....Wroten is questionable as a PG and unless he is an elite defender....he would be a horrible shooting guard.
Tony Wroten ran a 3.24 sec 3/4 court sprint. He wasn't even the 2nd fastest player this year, let alone in the history of the combine.
In the drill you referenced, he also registered a slower time than Kendall Marshall and is 5th fastest PG prospect THIS SEASON.
If you're going to lead with something, try not making it an embellished stat.
I think he's a prime candidate to slip into the 2nd round.
somebody has a crush on Tony Wroten......
Tony has all the tools to be an elite NBA defender as he was the 2011 U18 USA Team's best wing defender as per coaching staff.
Some people tend to focus on his deficiencies while overlooking his strengths as it's amazing what he has done so far with his game being so limited with so much room for improvement in certain area's of his game this kid's upside if off the charts.
Wait until the 2012 NBA Vegas Summer League takes place as he will be one of the big names of those summer games....
I'm actually a fan of Tony cuz i've met him and I live in Seattle but i'm a realist... he shot 11% from deep this year
ESPN insider says the GMs have wroten as a bubble first rounder who could easily slip to second. The reason Lillard won't work out against is the fact that it makes little sense. Why work out against a possibly second rounder when you are a lotto pick?? Not about being scared or competitive it's about making a smart BUSINESS move
If Wroten is smart he models his game after Rondo. Rondo had may of the same questions about his game entering the NBA. Wroten's physical gifts are outstanding, its the mental part he must fix. Every pass can't be a hilight reel pass, he needs to learn to run the team take advantage of his abilities and work to get his jump shot to average level. Jason kidd couldn't shoot for years either, but his ability to run a team made up for that. Both JK and Rondo are guys Wroten should get a ton of tape on and model his game in that fashion..
All that damn writing and you still got negative points lol
"Tony has all the tools to be an elite NBA defender as he was the 2011 U18 USA Team's best wing defender as per coaching staff."
I dont doubt that. What I am saying is, he has to hang his hat on that because he is just not a good shooter even on the college level. He is talented, but has a fatal flaw.
Do you know what Muggsy Bogues biggest liability was? If you are thinking his height...think again. He was tenacious as a defender and he was great PG in the open court. His biggest liability was his jumpshot. When the Hornets were in the playoffs, teams sagged off of Muggsy. Thats just one example....and Muggsy could shoot a lot better than Wroten.
Just saying....in the NBA you cant have zero jumpshot and get away with it. 3 of 27 jumpshots at Washington with his feet set? Wow.
LOL!!! Muggsy Bogues was 5-3! Tony Wroten is 6-6! you should be banned for making that comparison. smh
I love bold proclamations like these. I like Tony, and think he has a load of potential. If he lives up to it he'll be one of the best PGs in the game.
All that means is he has no place to go but up (3pt % shooting)- recognize upside game.
A shooting coach for TWJr....is gonna make one GM look like a genius...........time will tell...
He can't hit a consistent outside J but still gets to the hoop with defenders sagging 5 feet off of him- wow.......
Wroten is the next Javaris Crittenton. He's not a winning player falt out.
Yeah Javaris C. Both has/had potential to be starters in the NBA. We will see if Wroten will have better luck
You say Jarvis, I say Rondo..........
slap in the face of Rondo. Doesn't have the basketball IQ nor does he get to the hole as well. Not close to the defender. Rondo was also a better 3pt shooter in college (30percent compared to 16percent). Rondo's J is boken while Tony's J is nonexistant
Let you tell it.lmfao
You sound str8 up stuck on stupid as the one thing that TWJr can do is get to the hoop- better than Rondo coming into the NBA.
Wait until Vegas Summer League and we'll see who burns up the court..............
Tony did have the fastest sprint time this yr . the time listed is a mistake .Tony is light years faster than kendle . watch the jordan brand classic even J Billis stated " to put this kids speed in perspective HE RAN A 10.7 HUNDRED meter ". no one in this draft is that fast sir and he is 6'6 in shoes so my bold opening statement is the truth .
Combine numbers pretty much mean zero. You can be the slowest guy out their but if you dominate in a game you are the better player (Z-Bo is slower than Josh McRoberts). This isn't track
To be the biggest fastest player at his position means a hell of alot . he is also without question the best passer .he is also without question the most aggressive and on top of that is the youngest smh . if the same people on this thread picked the the fiba games or jordan brand classic roster tony would not have made the cut of the most elite players lol but bottom line is that he is . As idiotic as this sounds dont judge Tony by his college season . no big man , no elite players to run with except ross almost hynotized into thinking he cant shoot and still broke records and made top sportscenter plays . again this may sound stupid but look at sh*t like the jordan game or aau vegas stuff ... in the crowd of elite he is elite ... let that soak in because it will later . read every article and argument . there is no other player that publications mention as a horrible shooter , cant lead a team , blah blah blah then in the same breath say he has the most pottential and may be one of the best in the nba in this class . The boy is a monster magician as you all will soon find out , i saw him at an aau tournament throw a curve ball with the basketball , it literally curved around a defender and hit his man perfect what was more insane it was a full court pass . not a groupie just a fan of the game and im just sayin . I hate when Tony Bullsh*ts man I hate when lebron does too . i feel like how magic felt about lebron after game 6 of the boston series about tony . he has truly amazed me several times on a plane were the game is elevated to another level thats why im a fan . lillard just doesnt have that in him and has never wowed me in the last 8 years of seeing him play . thats all folks