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Tony Wroten.. 35th Overall?? Who's smokin' dope??

He easily won Pac-10 Freshman of the Year and nearly won the conference POY award, all while shooting 16% from 3. If thats not incredible, I don't know what is.. From Philadelphia I can see that he isnt "like" Tyreke Evans and definitely isnt Iman Shumpert. Wrotens court vision is 2nd only to Kendall Marshall, with respect to Machado. He's legitimately 6'5, with legit Point Guard skills. Unlike Reke, who is simply ball dominant with the ability to find the open man. Tony creates openings, with his well timed, quick first step, very reminiscent of Dwayne Wade. Just imagine Wroten as a Junior at Washington, he averaged 16ppg 5rbg 4apg 2spg as a freshman. With that said, Wroten's game reminds me alot of Dwayne Wade, with slightly better vision and slightly less explosiveness. Remember Wade didnt even play his freshman year because of Academic isues, and really didnt even burst out until his Junior year (21 years old) after averaging 18ppg 6rpg 3apg 2.5spg. Nearly identical state wise to Wroten fresman stats but two years younger in Tony's favor. In all honesty, I think Tony's only flaw (his jumper) is a coachable defect, just needing repetition to gain the same confidence he has in his driving abilities. If Weber State's Lilliard (3 years older, against lesser competition) is Top10 off just buckets, Tony's projected draft position looks absurd. Bottom line Tony Wroten is a lottery pick talent wise, and with solid coaching could truely be a star. Coming out of high school I was skeptical of how effective he would be in college because at the high school level NOBODY could stop this guy from getting to the cup.. NOBODY. Marquis Teague's jumpshot is imo worse than Wroten's, masked by the greatness of his teamates, Wroten is better in evey facet of the game than Teague; driving, passing, creating, and more important defensively. I think thats what makes me believe he'll be great is his defense. With nearly 3 inches on Teague, I cant believe Teague will be any better than his brother Jeff, who I think Tony would destroy right now.

Seeing the type of players coming out that Seattle-area like Jamal Crawford, Bradon Roy, even Isiah Thomas, I cant see this guy getting to the next level and not making an impact, barring injury, dudes from up there just play the game with fire. Wait for the workouts, I believe his stock will increase quickly. No more books, just basketball ALL DAY! Maybe Im trippin, but as an avid basketball fan, I can say the natural talents Wroten possesses, I dont think one other guard in this draft matches that package. Besides Brad Beal, I dont think theres another guard better. Everybody else are streaky-volume shooters, with 2guard height (Terrence Ross, Jeremy Lamb, Dion Waters, Austin Rivers, John Jenkins). Each of these players struggled finishing at the hole, something I believe sets great players apart; being able to beat your man in 1 move, get to the rim, absorb contact and still score. The openness of the NBA makes this ability very useful and effective even without a jumpshot ala Rajon Rondo. Im just sayin', move this dude up. Realize the NBA is built for aggressive scorers to get to the line and thus get off, something I dont think people factor in when evaluating. Let me here some opinions tho. (D)C


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I think you overhyped him a

I think you overhyped him a bit, but I do agree overall 35th is way to low. He is a first round guy.

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Also getting to the line,

Also getting to the line, doesn't mean auto matic points now does it? Just ask Mr.Wroten ;)

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^Agreed, I'm not sold on him

^Agreed, I'm not sold on him due to his poor shooting and lack of position, but I think his potential makes him worth a late 1st rounder. Especially for a team with two first round picks.

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he should go around 15-25in

he should go around 15-25in the first round

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Yeah I think Wroten could be

Yeah I think Wroten could be a first class PG, he's got brilliant passing instincts but is just a little wild. The problem is that a lot of teams are satisfied with their PG situation, I can't think of many teams with a late first-rounder which need an upgrade at PG, and those that do are either selecting early lottery (reaching) or late second round.

Lakers, Indiana, Houston, Detroit, Portland, New Orleans and Utah are all places I can see Wroten fitting in, but the best place for him would be Orlando in my opinion.

Nelson has been underwhelming and they have no young talent at the PG position. Wroten would thrive on having a big man in Dwight to throw lobs and bullet passes to, and you're right that Wroten has serious upside.

If he can fix his shooting woes and tone down his passes somewhat, he could be a poor man's John Wall, and might luck into a role as the man if Dwight leaves town.

The other place I think would love to have him is Brooklyn as insurance if Williams leaves, but of course, the only draft pick they have is the Heat's second rounder, and there's no chance he's around by then, so they are screwed more or less.

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I havent seen him play much

I havent seen him play much so I am just going on highlight reels but, itsnt he a carbon copy of Iman Shumpert?? A 6'5 PG with super athletic ability and not much else. Not a great passer or shooter but a nice defender and leaper?

Like I said, I havent seen him play a real game but Shumpert went way higher than was projected. It could happen to Wroten too.

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Wroten's problem as a pg is

Wroten's problem as a pg is that I am not sure any team would trust him running their offense. He had more TOs than assists last year, and, for all the hype over his ball-handling, simply can't handle or finish with his right hand. Very few pgs in the league, if any, are as completely reliant on their strong hand as he is. That is a problem because NBA defenders will force him right all day. He does have a lot of potential due to his slashing ability and overall physical gifts, so I agree with you that he should be a 1st rounder. He just is closer to a 2nd rounder than the top 10 pick some posters on this site are making him out to be.

He could play some 2-guard, and almost certainly will, but his jumpshot, or lack thereof, will limit his effectiveness at that position. His ability to attack the basket and get to the free throw line will help him, but he could hurt floor spacing to a certain extent.

+1 to WolfRob. I see what you did there.

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He may have 1st round talent

but he won't contribute to an NBA team for three or four years while he learns how to play. His shooting and descision making were both terrible on the college level, why would they be acceptable for the NBA? I see Lance Stephenson 2.0. That may thrill some of you, but as a Pacers fan, I will tell you it is more frustrating than thrilling. Let someone else draft him and develop him, and get him on his second contract (or third) if he shows that he understands how to play.

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I think a couple people hit on it just about right. Wroten like so many other players that make it this far has a lot of potential and talent, but he's coming out too early, when his game is incomplete at this point and there is no telling if that part of his game is going to pan out. Also a lot of teams are set at the PG position later in the 1st, so unless someone trades up, I can see scenarios where he falls to the early second. I also could entertain him being taken mid first but it will be a chance thing. Every team is going to have their guys they are willing to take chances on and select higher based on potential.

I like omphalos' comparison of a poor man's John Wall. He has a lot of slick passing that is untamed and turnover prone, really needs to work on his jump shot, and is less athletic than Wall. If you look at some of the troubles John Wall has had so far with turnovers and shooting and take away his athleticism, you can kind of see where Wroten might fall a bit.

With that said I (currently) have him in my mock going to the Bobcats at 31. I think his size and skillset would fit beautifully and complimentary with Walker in their backcourt. It might be the most perfect match actually, and help the Bobcats make the best of what is looking like some possible drafting mistakes last year.

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I have seen him play and if

I have seen him play and if he goes to the right team, he could develop in the same mold as Westbrook who still have times where turnovers are his issue and I thin Wroten is a better playmaker.

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Tony does not equal

Tony does not equal Westbrook. Not one bit.

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Yeah, Wroten is not remotely close to being the athlete or slasher Westbrook is. Westbrook also is, contrary to common misperception, an elite shooter from mid range and much better from beyond the arc than Wroten is. Westbrook's end to end speed is unmatched and he is a far more explosive finisher at the rim than Wroten.

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Will be used as inspiration

I agree that Wroten should go in the first round, and 15 to 25 doesn't sound that bad, but I think he will really impress in workouts. This will be used as an inspiration to prove to teams everywhere that you can't just pass on this type of talent and whoever does will regret it! He could go in the lottery with the right kind of an impression in workouts.

Pheonix, Utah, Orlando, New Orleans, Nets, and Houston would all be good fits for Wroten, but Phoenix and Houston I think are great fits. 19 (Magic) just seems to low for someone that could impress in workouts. No way Wroten slips to the second round let alone mid second or late second (Jazz, and Nets) Leaving New Orleans, Phoenix and Houston as the only teams that have a legit shot at him. Which ever one is impressed more will take him.

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I think he was comparing Tony

I think he was comparing Tony Wroten to Westbrook, when Westbrook was going through the draft process, they actually have the same positives and negatives. Westbrook wasn't an amazing mid range shooter, and he definitely wasn't an okay 3 point shooter as a rookie, also Westbrook until the series against the Lakers has had problems his whole career with turnovers, Maybe that's why he averages 6.8 assists for his career and 3.5 turnovers. At the point guard position that is horrible, but we all know Westbrook is really a combo guard, some people will even say a full fledged shooting guard. Coming into the draft process, they both have the same deficiencies.. That's also not mentioning Westbrooks inadequacies being hidden more in the UCLA system..

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@8, No he's really not Iman.

@8, No he's really not Iman. The only similarities are 6'5-6'6 combo guards who D up tremendously. Wroten's vertical leap is actually nowhere near elite anymore since his knee injury in highschool. Still terrific quickness and speed, but the vert was hampered. He's actually got some crazy passing skills, simply has NO decision making ability ATM with the ball in his hands. Given a team expectibng greatness from him but understanding he's a project could end up with a top 5 player in this draft. Based on skills, the only players with the upside of Wroten are Davis,Drummond,Beal, and Perry Jones III.

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Tony Wroten had the 2nd

Tony Wroten had the 2nd fastest time in nba combine history with a 3.0 only second to his cousin nate robinson . Just thought people may like to know that since this site failed to post the correct result and at 6'6 may be pound for pound the fastest , most savy gaurd in recent memory . Also Tony is a far more superior gaurd than kendall or lillard period . Kendall was in sports illustrated as a 6th grader and still chose to hold his self back to seem better than his new class . So for a guy who was supposed to be a college junior ya he had a nice iq and mature game . Tony just turned 19 in april and yes he is sometimes sparatic but has a pottential that is unmatched in this draft . Lillard would never workout against tony because he would be destroyed for a job .Tonys aggression is sometimes looked upon as brash but people please dont buy into the hype . Tony is one of the most solid 19 yr old kids you could meet . He has alot to work on Yes !! but that is all that is stated in attemp to downplay this kid . He is a top 5 prospect with what he has right now though ! I will also include some obvious video to prove Tony is a phenom that none of the draft sites have posted to show instead of write to add validity to this message http://youtu.be/HooPPwJTU3Y?hd=1

Leadership ??? At 18 Tony scored 30 on duke in madison square !! there is no way to down play that !while leaders T.ross and Gaddy admited the bright lights of the garden and duke had them a little nervous (understandable) but there was an 18 yr old kid who was fearless . Imagine going to a war and your sargent hesitates and gets people killed while the 18 yr old kid from rotc who was just along for the ride , leads your troops to near victory ...come on generals i mean gms who are you gonna take to lead your next war ??? Romar made a mistake by not giving Tony full rein (I commend Romars Loyalty to his returners so very understandable ) but Tony led the pack 12 in scoring with not a single play called for him . was never even told to post up much much smaller gaurds .shoot lol that was taboo . was specifically told not to shoot ..repeadedly !i saw tony score 50 points in pro am all jumpers two months before . he scored 42 in all star game and was mvp for the 2nd yr and you know the talent of seattle nba guys http://youtu.be/4-EEuWjC0j0?hd=1

Put lillard or kendall at uw under the same scrutiny they would not be record breakers or on espn top plays twice in same month and to be real those guys at 18 wouldnt even have seen the floor people . Put Tony at north carolina or kentucky and there would be no doubt he is a giant magician , he showed you his superboy vision at the jordan game . growing up Kendall was never even better than abdul gaddy but he developed . Check statistics and i gaurantee that Tony is the same age or even younger than some of your top rated highschool seniors especially prep and post grad !! His bad attituide lol Michael Jordan specifically used to tell players at north carolina that they should be honered to be in his presence let alone play basketball with him . MJ talked more sh*t than mayweather as a 18 19 20 yr old kid but now you get to see that weaties , hanes smile . people grow up or atleast refine themselves as will Tony ! As strong minded as you are, when mass media says you cant shoot or make free throws it will play with your mental!!The sickening part of these reviews is that he can actually shoot !! ive seen Tony hit 11 , 12 3s in one game several times growing up ...when that wise gm says heres a few million dollars and your dream come true because we believe in you watch how that brown thing starts dropping in that round thing ! he is a lefty and it is in his blood , his aunt joyce walker - lsu hall of fame , one of the first ladys to play for harlem globetrotters and one of the purest shooters in history knows when he finds it he will never loose it . heres a tip for trainers and coaches , when he leaves it up there and his fingers point towards rim he is automatic ...TRUST . At the fiba games many scouts said undoubtedly he was the number 1 pro prospect and though many people second guess there selves to be popular ...THAT HAS NOT CHANGED . Ask peyton siva of louiville how much of a great team mate tony was and the leadership he had even as a 14 yr old playing up with them , the puzzle that is tony wroten is not hard to put together , in this same yr Tony at 14 droped 38 on the prestigeous boo williams when kendall at 17 was a non factor ? http://youtu.be/YVhduTLzM30 I have seen tony interact with his friends and family for yrs and if tony had 10 dollars he would keep maybe a quarter and give away the 9.75 this is no exageration and something gms should know about his character . you got kids in stolen houses , taking money ,in gang brawls and complete head cases going lottery but you label tony wroten as a bad apple lol as tough as this kid is has he even been suspended for a fight . media is a very powerful tool but im not buying into that Tony is not the top point . As much as critics want Tony to stop half *ssing his game , Stop half *ss reporting . here are some more videos and ya higlights can make anyone look great but if he wasnt great there wouldnt be numerous consistant highlights to make . ps L.O.E is a group of childhood friends that all play college sports and aiming to get degrees in business and communications .

http://youtu.be/HJmUYbV2U1A?hd=1

http://youtu.be/T9usfvJC_iw?hd=1

http://youtu.be/a_7k4lt0M60?hd=1

http://youtu.be/4V8zYuOXSVs?hd=1

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Tony Wroten is the best prospect at the point !!!

Tony Wroten had the 2nd fastest time in nba combine history with a 3.0 only second to his cousin nate robinson . Just thought people may like to know that since this site failed to post the correct result and at 6'6 may be pound for pound the fastest , most savy gaurd in recent memory . Also Tony is a far more superior gaurd than kendall or lillard period . Kendall was in sports illustrated as a 6th grader and still chose to hold his self back to seem better than his new class . So for a guy who was supposed to be a college junior ya he had a nice iq and mature game . Tony just turned 19 in april and yes he is sometimes sparatic but has a pottential that is unmatched in this draft . Lillard would never workout against tony because he would be destroyed for a job .Tonys aggression is sometimes looked upon as brash but people please dont buy into the hype . Tony is one of the most solid 19 yr old kids you could meet . He has alot to work on Yes !! but that is all that is stated in attemp to downplay this kid . He is a top 5 prospect with what he has right now though ! I will also include some obvious video to prove Tony is a phenom that none of the draft sites have posted to show instead of write to add validity to this message http://youtu.be/HooPPwJTU3Y?hd=1

Leadership ??? At 18 Tony scored 30 on duke in madison square !! there is no way to down play that !while leaders T.ross and Gaddy admited the bright lights of the garden and duke had them a little nervous (understandable) but there was an 18 yr old kid who was fearless . Imagine going to a war and your sargent hesitates and gets people killed while the 18 yr old kid from rotc who was just along for the ride , leads your troops to near victory ...come on generals i mean gms who are you gonna take to lead your next war ??? Romar made a mistake by not giving Tony full rein (I commend Romars Loyalty to his returners so very understandable ) but Tony led the pack 12 in scoring with not a single play called for him . was never even told to post up much much smaller gaurds .shoot lol that was taboo . was specifically told not to shoot ..repeadedly !i saw tony score 50 points in pro am all jumpers two months before . he scored 42 in all star game and was mvp for the 2nd yr and you know the talent of seattle nba guys http://youtu.be/4-EEuWjC0j0?hd=1

Put lillard or kendall at uw under the same scrutiny they would not be record breakers or on espn top plays twice in same month and to be real those guys at 18 wouldnt even have seen the floor people . Put Tony at north carolina or kentucky and there would be no doubt he is a giant magician , he showed you his superboy vision at the jordan game . growing up Kendall was never even better than abdul gaddy but he developed . Check statistics and i gaurantee that Tony is the same age or even younger than some of your top rated highschool seniors especially prep and post grad !! His bad attituide lol Michael Jordan specifically used to tell players at north carolina that they should be honered to be in his presence let alone play basketball with him . MJ talked more sh*t than mayweather as a 18 19 20 yr old kid but now you get to see that weaties , hanes smile . people grow up or atleast refine themselves as will Tony ! As strong minded as you are, when mass media says you cant shoot or make free throws it will play with your mental!!The sickening part of these reviews is that he can actually shoot !! ive seen Tony hit 11 , 12 3s in one game several times growing up ...when that wise gm says heres a few million dollars and your dream come true because we believe in you watch how that brown thing starts dropping in that round thing ! he is a lefty and it is in his blood , his aunt joyce walker - lsu hall of fame , one of the first ladys to play for harlem globetrotters and one of the purest shooters in history knows when he finds it he will never loose it . heres a tip for trainers and coaches , when he leaves it up there and his fingers point towards rim he is automatic ...TRUST . At the fiba games many scouts said undoubtedly he was the number 1 pro prospect and though many people second guess there selves to be popular ...THAT HAS NOT CHANGED . Ask peyton siva of louiville how much of a great team mate tony was and the leadership he had even as a 14 yr old playing up with them , the puzzle that is tony wroten is not hard to put together , in this same yr Tony at 14 droped 38 on the prestigeous boo williams when kendall at 17 was a non factor ? http://youtu.be/YVhduTLzM30 I have seen tony interact with his friends and family for yrs and if tony had 10 dollars he would keep maybe a quarter and give away the 9.75 this is no exageration and something gms should know about his character . you got kids in stolen houses , taking money ,in gang brawls and complete head cases going lottery but you label tony wroten as a bad apple lol as tough as this kid is has he even been suspended for a fight . media is a very powerful tool but im not buying into that Tony is not the top point . As much as critics want Tony to stop half *ssing his game , Stop half *ss reporting . here are some more videos and ya higlights can make anyone look great but if he wasnt great there wouldnt be numerous consistant highlights to make . ps L.O.E is a group of childhood friends that all play college sports and aiming to get degrees in business and communications .

http://youtu.be/HJmUYbV2U1A?hd=1

http://youtu.be/T9usfvJC_iw?hd=1

http://youtu.be/a_7k4lt0M60?hd=1

http://youtu.be/4V8zYuOXSVs?hd=1

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LOE TV #3 (TWJr working out

LOE TV #3 (TWJr working out with BRoy, JCrawford and others):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HooPPwJTU3Y

TW Jr BasketballHilight Mixes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_8NwOqV8wA&feature=related

TW Jr SwishScout:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77KHufejD1Y&feature=related

Tony Wroten Jr Block & Alley Oop Sequence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DJm__gKEEg

TW Jr Jordan Brand Classic game of 2011:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6ghPovB7Hs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNCShZhQIgo

TW Jr 2 ADavis for the dunk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3yFk81iS_E

How many pg's can do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSub7Hl30Hk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Shl8un3U34

Tony Wroten Jr Rotary AAU:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8y64B8QnOs

Plus TWJr has won a game with his defense as he blocked an Arizona player's lay up attempt as the clock ran out in Arizona.

People who talk about his broken jumper (JKidd, Rondo anyone?) & high TO to Assist rate at UW (Gaddy ran the pg spot for over 30 plus minutes a game) are stuck on stupid because N'Diaye dropped so many TWJr dimes that hit him right in his hands and the ones that he did catch he didn't finish enough of them off strong at the rim on a consistent enough basis.

In the NBA TWJr will have bigs that can catch and finish his dimes on time at a high rate- TWJr (who just turned 19) will be a steal if he falls out of the top 10 for any team that drafts him plus he's a gym rat not a nite club rat he will only get better with pro shooting coaches & hours in the gym.

I'd love to see a Wroten Jr & Rubio (once healthy) backcourt in Minnesota that would be sick.....

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