Tony Mitchell good fit for Celtics at 16?
There are questions about attitude and mentality that need to be answered of course. From my research, the first time coach lost the team very early, and the team was ravaged by injuries from the start. I think Tony regretted his decision to stay in school, perhaps shortly after he made his decision.
He was double teamed front and back every time he got the ball down low apparently. NTexas lost their two top 3point shooters in the first couple games, and there was nobody else to spread the floor and keep double teams off Tony. The guards shot like 20 % or something from 3, with a green light from the new coach.
Looking at his stats, Tony only averaged about 9 or so shots a game. Not sure why so many of those shots were 3s. Could have been strategic because the double teams down low were effective, and he was also probably their best 3pt shooter after the injuries. Many of those 3s were contested, which explains some of his big drop in 3pt% and fg% overall.
An utter disaster of a season for the whole team, which stopped competing early on after injuries.
Tony lollygagged back on defense numerous times apparently. Very irritating, but possibly not a total dealbreaker considering the circumstances and if Tony takes responsibility for laziness in his team interviews.
He could be the talk of the combine, excelling vs wings and bigs in drills, jumping 40'', 7'3'' wingspan, perhaps a max vert reach near 12'. If he shows improved handles, a couple post moves, and hits his shots, I think the league will be buzzing big time.
There's a reason he was projected top 5 before season. He has great tape from last year, when he missed first semester in his first season of college ball.
Some late lotto gms might see him as a wonderful piece of clay to be sculpted.
I think he could work at pf between jeff green and sully. Height isnt everything, and sully held his own against tyson chandler and noah.
Mitchell could defend lebron and melo at pf, and backup jeff green at sf.
Looking beyond the big 3 era, Mitchell looks like a potentially decent building block with current roster. Thoughts?
I dont see how him & Jeff Green would compliment each other
I like Mitchell as a prospect but like you said, I'd need to see an improved handle, some post skills, and possibly a refined and more consistent form on his jumper before I get too excited. He's going to kill it at the combine though... Dude's and athletic freak. That dreaded and infamous "P" word could get a GM fired if he doesn't pan out..
Celtics post kg and pierce cant play Sully at pf vs lebron and carmelo. Roster must be designed to defend those two guys.
Green is decent against them but not a very good starting pf. Better at sf. Getting a speciman like Mitchell to defend those guys and rebound would free Green up to focus on scoring.
Celtics also need to improve vs pick and roll and help defense, a weaknesses of Sullys.
Somebody like Dieng sounds good, but neither Dieng nor Sully can guard athletic pfs, especially lebron and melo. Plus, Dieng is not really better than Sully at center anyway, despite superior length, so drafting Dieng or Plumlee or Adams would not upgrade that position.
Celtics need multiple pieces, but perfectly complimenting Green is not the top issue. Defending athletic 4s is the biggest issue.
I would like for the Celtics to draft a big man. I would prefer we get a player like Dieng or Gobert. We need someone in there to block shots. However, there are a lot of serviceable bigs in this draft. Maybe one projected in the lottery will fall. I think Rondo, Bradley, Green, Sullinger, and Dieng/Gobert would be a solid core for us moving forward.
Jeff Green has been looking solid, but we'd eventually need a scorer on the wing to replace Pierce as he ages, too.
I think there are too many question marks surrounding his game to say that he'd be a good fit anywhere.
Like, what direction does he want to go as a player? He has yet to define his game. If he's willing to do the dirty work, defend and make athletic plays in the paint, he could be a huge steal at where he's projected to go. If he tries to be a SF I could see him being a waste of a pick.
i actually think the celts might trade up and try to get MCW
If Pierce and KG return, drafting Mitchell makes less short term sense. KG would want a center to back him up, a ready to contribute center like dieng or withey or plumlee.
Danny has stated that a fully healthy roster would still not be a championship contender. I only agree with that because Doc would overplay Pierce and KG in playoffs again and they would burnout before finals.
I am very tempted to see Pierce and KG traded for young help, and to see Doc step down and be replaced with a good developmental coach.
Bradley and Sully can help keep competitive culture in a rebuilding year, with a great draft ahead. Develop Bradley, Green as da man, Mitchell, Sully, and Melo while Rondo rehabs and tries to be an actual leader.
Mitchell has compared his game to shawn marion and paul george, so he might be in a sf mentality like PJ3 last year. Good point, we dont know if he's excited about banging down low.
Mitchell expressed pride in his defense this year, and his shot blocking didnt drop off much. His opponents shot about 20% in the post compared to about 15% last year.
But for all i know hes been just jacking up 3s and dunking in his preparation for the combine. Could be a stronger gerald green, we'll see.
Hopefully he is getting good advice and gaining muscle too.
If he could play with a similar energy level and activity of Marion then that would be great. Judging by how he looked in college he'd have to make a complete 180 in terms of playing with energy though.
Him trying to be Paul George is exactly what I'd fear from him. His perimeter skills and instincts simply are not there.
The difference b/t he and PJ3 was that Mitchell has actually shown in the past that he can be extremely productive as a rebounder and shot blocker. He has shown glimpses of being that type of PF. PJ3 has always lacked toughness and strength and has never been a prolific rebounder or shot blocker at any stage. PJ3 trying to become more of a SF made more sense than Mitchell doing the same since PJ3 always played a soft, finesse type game.
Even if he did express pride in his defense, he still looked lazy on that end of the floor. Blocking shots is cool, but that stat in itself isn't an indicator of good defense.
How can anyone who watched that Boston Celtic team in the playoffs say they need to draft a big man? They could barely score the rock, and it would have been even worse if Jeff Green didn't decide to turn it up. I think we should draft a guard; one that can score the ball. Avery and Rondo are a good start, but we need some scoring in the backcourt. At our pick I would look to draft Glen Rice Jr, Jamaal Franklin, Tim Hardaway Jr, or Ledo. Those guys all might be reaches, but they all have good size and skill sets for what the Celtics need. In a draft like this it's fine to take a risk or two, and Guys like Rice and Hardaway could also come in and help right away if you still want to contend.
I want the Celtics to take Steven Adams or Archie Goodwin.
Do you think that the Celtics need another Sg along with jordan crawford, courtney lee, and jason terry? I do not think so.
Do you think that the Celtics need another fab melo type project Center? I do not think so.
Goodwin & adams should go to rebuilding teams, Boston is in win-now mode.
Celtics need a back up PG and a C that is ready for some minutes.
I think that the Celtics should either trade up to get Olynyk, draft Rudy Gobert (less of a project than melo & gray, ready for some playing time and has more potential), draft gorgui deng, or trade back and draft Jeff Withey.
Pierre Jackson would be a perfect fit at the back up PG spot behind rondo. Jackson's athleticism, ability to score, and ability to create, will make him a nice player.
The Celtics window has closed. Longer they wait the worst it's going to get. Paul is turning 35, Garnet I think is turning 38. Rondo coming of his first major injury. Courtney Lee is a good, but average player. Jordan Crawford can be let go at any time, and I wouldn't have a problem with it. Sullenger wasn't looking all that good even before his back problems, which will plague him for the rest of his life. Why play it safe to just get average player or a rotation bench guy on a team that can't win a championship any longer ? Steven Adams ceiling and potential is on a completely different level then Fab Melo. Archie Goodwin potential is just as high or higher then any guard in the draft.
If the Celtics could somehow magically get another All Star player that is at least somewhat not way passed his prime then, I'll say go for the ring. If not the C's shouldn't wait until the curtains are completely down.
Reminds of me Derrick Williams. Couldn't believe the drop in numbers this year but now reading your description of double teams it begins to make a bit more sense. Some mocks have him sliding to the 2nd. Will be interesting to see what amounts of his insanely freakish athletic ability.
Anybody think Dieng could be passable defending lebron and melo for 10 mpg? It's possible.
I dont know much about Mitchell's defensive awareness either for help defense.
I'm wondering if Dieng has the quickness to defend most pfs. Motor goes a long way on defense, and dieng has a good motor.
Dieng next to Sully could work, and wouldnt automatically leave Sully guarding the pf. Both are also smart and good passers, so it could work out quite well if Dieng is available and is the pick.
On the Celtics, Dieng might be well advised not to gain much more weight and to maximize quickness to defend pfs.
Of course Dieng will probably be gone at 16, and probably couldnt defend Lebron passably for 3 minutes, lol.
It is a tough draft for them because of the young players they already have. With Rondo, Lee, Bradley, and Crawford, it is hard to think they can find a guard who can get on the floor. With Green, Bass, Sullinger, and we can probably throw in White and Williams in because of their contract options, it is hard to think there will be a forward there who can get on the floor unless he is a three point specialist. In as much as I think Fab Melo is just a guy, it is hard to look at this center crop and think that they can come away with anyone who is decidely more than just a guy. I would lean towards Dieng as being the best option.
here's tony's combine interview: http://youtu.be/kmlMjVOl9UY
he sounds good, says he wants to play pf which is smart. Celtics did not interview him and the competition will be steep at 16. But i think he'll do well in workouts and make it into teens anyway.
broadcast of 12' 1/2'' vert reach: http://youtu.be/eNKFqBqUvrU
I believe if PP&KG returns, Tony Mitchell@16 would be an Excellent pick. From a development point of view, Tony Mitchell is the high risk type of player who needs to be drafted into the right team and system in order to thrive. Celtics's leadership group would be the key to unlock the potential of this unique athletic gem, and the coaching style of Rivers will allow him to make mistakes.
Usually with Effort/Attitude problem players, they need a well respected elder on the team to lead the way. if Pierce, Garnett & Terry took him under their wings, Tony Mitchell maybe considered a surprising steal in a couple of years. The experience of the trio would allow Tony to a more stable start than others,etc Perry Jones III. Under the right environment, Tony Mitchell will become very effective , this pick may pay huge dividends for the Celtics in 2-3 years time.