Tiss Tiss Just Imagine If The Cavs Would've Drafted Better
Imagine if the Cavaliers had taken Jonas Valanciunas over Tristan Thompson? Imagine If the Cavs had taken Harrison Barnes over Dion Waiters? If the Cavs took Barnes over Waiters in last year's draft, it would've been a no brainer to draft Mclemore in this year's draft #1...Their was reports Barnes agent, wanted him to play for a big market, and fresh with the LeBron departure in the Cavs reps mind, they didn't want to draft anyone who didn't want to be there...Even still, I like Mclemore as a prospect more than Waiters...I would trade Waiters and draft Mclemore in a heartbeat..Waiters is listed at 6'4, but he's really 6'2, and last I check there's never been a championship team with starting 2 guard, that's 6'2...I seen the Cavs play the Heat this past season and Waiters was well shorter than D-Wade, who's listed at 6'4...Waiters to me is a better version of fellow Philly native, Ronald "Flip" Murray...Mclemore to me is more a Jason Richardson in his prime type of player, with the potential to become a better defender than J-Rich...Plenty of options for the Cavs to think about, the future is looking bright in Cleveland again
Their front office and crazy owner don't know what they are doing and can't evaluate talent. Brought the mediocre Mike Brown back too. They will probably pick the injury prone hunger striken Noels.
Yes they've made mistakes but in just 2 years they've got Irving, Thompson, waiters and zeller. And thIs year Noel and they have later picks. Not a bad haul in 3 years.
That is what happens when you are consistently awful. Teams like the Cavs and Kings get loaded up with young talent but never really figure out how to win together. I could see Cleveland being a playoff team next year because the east if weak and they have Kyrie Irving. They could have drafted a lot better though. They could have come up with a combination of Klay Thomspon and Andre Drummond or Barnes and Valančiūnas but instead have Waiters and Thompson. They weren't bad picks but there was more talent available than what they settled for.
CMON NOW, why is everyone downing Waiters lol?? Barnes got off in the playoffs, but in regular season he averaged 9,4,1 in 25 mins, while Waiters averaged 14.5,2.5,3 on only 3 more minutes per game. Be real, he's a starter with star characteristics. He's not 6-2 like you think. No way In HELL I move waiters to the bench and mess up the chemistry he and Irving have started to develop for someone you say has Jason Richardson potential. SMH you throwed git
Everyone knows starting from college to the NBA, height is something that they lie about...Durant is listed at 6'9, but everyone and their mother know he's 6'11...Beasley is listed at 6'10, but everyone knows he's 6'8...Kyrie Irving and Derrick Rose are both listed at 6'3, but their both 6'2...And Dion Waiters who's listed at 6'4 is the same height as Kyrie Irving...Kyrie & Durant are my favorite players, I watched a lot of Cavs games this season, Waiters is the same height as Kyrie, I seen them with my own eyes standing side to side to each other, and their the same height...And like I said, Waiters is some inches shorter than D-Wade, who's 6'4...Even one of the commentators on draft night said Waiters is really 6'2, I don't remember who did...If I had to take a guess, I think it was Jay Bilas who said it
Yup - they are the same height...just take a look at this image.
Ever thought of getting lasik surgery? Actually, I am sure they just photo shopped this to make it look like Waiters is taller.
Draft Noel, don't let him play until healthy. Good chance they will still be in the lottery and have a top 10 pick (likely) and possibly top 5 (Kyrie gets hurt or anything crazy). Draft someone next year who can score from the power forward position or a do it all sf. I know unlikely but imagine if they were able to come away with drafting Julius Randle or Aaron Gordon who i'm not as high on but if he can develop the skills his athleticism will have him as a mismatch with high upside.
Hindsight is 20/20...
That's what all the bad GMs and draft analysts say.
If McLemore is the best guy on the board they should take him. Play more small ball then with Kyrie, Dion, and Ben. Let the OTHER team figure out how to stop it.
The Cavs can then get a small forward next year.
They could trade down to 3 with the Wizards, but they like Otto Porter too. Not sure what the Cavs do here.
Alex Len might even be their best choice.
See the problem with what you said is Tristan Thompson is a better player than JV right now, and Dion had a better rookie season than Barnes.
They could possibly had a 3 headed monster of Irving McClemore and Barne. But I honestly think they aren't in a bad situation right now though. Worse case, they stil don't have enough to talent to fight for the playoffs and pick in the lottery next year. Lets say the get super lucky AGAIN and take lets just say Jabari Parker. You have your backcourt, Noel is healthy, Thompson improves hopfefully, and you nab parker. Then use that cap room to solidify the bench. Rebuild complete
Their real whiff might have been Andre Drummond. Drummond and Thompson inside with Kyrie Irving outside. Then you have the top pick this year. A big man rotation of Drummond, Thompson, and Tyler Zeller would be pretty sweet.
But, hindsight is 20/20.
They should take the best guy. You can't have too much talent.
The smart Gms and people knew that Drummond would be a beast.
Bad sheep Gms and fans say hindsight is 20/20. The great ones like Red Auerbach take the lead and go against the grain going with their gut feeling and instinct instead of the crowd.
I guess a good question is would you rather have Andre Drummond or this skinny broken wheeled Nerlen Noels if you could pick between the two?
The people that believed Drummonds would be a bust was foolish. He should have never went that far in the draft.
You had him going 8th in your mock draft to Toronto.
I want to sign Paul Pierce and trade the top pick for Al Horford. Kyrie-Waiters-Pierce-Thompson-Horford.
waiters is a much much much better player than flip was..
I'm glad to see others haven't been happy with their drafting either.
Jonas over Thompson should've been a no brainer, especially for a non-playoff team.
I don't even think they needed to draft Barnes or missed out by drafting Waiters (I think he's okay, not sure he's a starter on a NBA Title contender though). I would've looked at the potential of a Thomas Robinson/Jonas front court with Kyrie at the point. Now, Robinson didn't see the floor much this year but I think him and Jonas would be very complimentary since Robinson has the game that can enable him to stretch the D and Jonas has some back to the basket. Obviously, they wouldn't contend right away, they would need a few years to grow into their NBA game and they still would've been a high lottery team this year.
Now that makes what they do with the pick they traded with Dallas (I think) where they took Tyler Zeller. With Varejao, Robinson and Jonas, I can't see them wanting to take Zeller, another center, maybe they go for another big like Nicholson or Terrence Jones. But this selection becomes far more difficult to predict as it's likely a tradable pick given their depth in the front court and where they are.
This year they could've taken McLemore or Oladipo, I would lean towards Oladipo though and not because I think he's going to be an NBA star but more because I think he's a very complimentary piece to Kyrie. He's a strong defender with good mechanics on his jump shot and he's a gamer. I'm pretty sure he has good wingspan as well (didn't see the combine so could be wrong). Now, the issue here is Oladipo isn't a #1, so maybe they could trade down and maybe get another pick next year for someone who wants Noel.
Could have ended up with :
Irving, Oladipo, X, Robinson, Jonas
A team that could be quite formidable as they continue to develop. However, Irving, Waiters, X, Thompson, Zeller/Varejao is not a bad lineup.
Drummond shot 37% from the free throw line, THIRTY SEVEN!!! He shot 29% at UConn. You think teams are upset they passed on him, the reason why he had 60% FG percentage was because he threw down 75% of his shots.
Waiters put up 14.7 per game. More PPG in less mpg than Beal. Out performed Michael Kidd Gilchrist.
Tristan Thompson just averaged 11.7 and 9.4 ppg.
JV put up 8.9 and 6
Cavaliers were said to be thinking about taking JV, Jan Vesely, Enes Kanter, Derrick Williams, as well as point guard combinations. We had picks 1 and 4. They took Kyrie over Kemba, and Knight, and took Tristan over Jan and JV.
How can you say its poor management?
This year they traded Jon Leuer (oh you haven't heard of him?) For Wayne Ellington, Marreese Speights, and a future first round pick.
Cavs are in fantastic position to do exactly what OKC did. So much cap space, Picks 1,19,31,33.
Front office has done their part, Cavs have just been injury prone.
I don't understand the the negativity about the Cavs picks, I know people didn't like them at the time and it seems like those thoughts have carried over despite strong play for Waiters and Tristan.
It's never a bad thing if a player just dunks. Drummond is able to put himself in position to make highly-efficient baskets. He is capable of scoring 5-5 on a nightly basis- that's special.
And people need to realize that Jonas did have a promising rookie season. His stats were underwhelming, but he is a mobile 7footer who can play the PnR and protect the rim. That's gold in the league.
If those other picks would have been so much better, they wouldn't be picking #1 this year.
Andre Drummond averaged 14 and 13 per 36 minutes with almost 3 blocks. The only players from last years draft I would take over him at this point are Anthony Davis who averaged 17 and 10 per 36 with 2.2 blocks and maybe Damian Lillard who averaged 18 and 6 assists per 36 minutes.
Really any team that wasn't New Orleans or Portland should be second guessed for passing on Drummond. I had him 2nd on my board going into the draft and I know a lot of people around here thought the same.
Best case scenarios are always silly, if one of the guys you listed was looking like a bust right now, you'd be saying the Cavs were so smart not taking them.
Unlike the Wizards or many other teams the Cavs haven't drafted a single guy that is actually bad in recent years, they could've been better, but could've been much worse.
i think ppl are sleeping on waiters... hes a nice young player and hes much much more dynamic than flip murray ever was... lets give him one more yr to really prove his first yr wasn't a fluke and see if he can be a full time starter.. personally.. im not to confident he will be.. but it wont hurt that him and kyrie grow chemistry like someone mentioned
I can't stand it when people say that someone is significantly shorter than their listed height, it's rarely, if ever, true. You realize that Waiters measured 6'2.5 without shoes and 6'4 with shoes last year, right?
And THIS is why they've had top 5 picks every year since LeBron left. The only right pick they made was Kyrie, but you just don't draft Waiters & Thompson in the top 5 picks...they'll be decent to borderline AllStar players but like a lot of other posters said, you gotta go for the home run picks at the top of the draft. If they really liked Waiters and Thompson why not trade down for them?
Kyrie and Lebron were no brainers. Hard to mess those picks up.
Yes...if you always go for the home run, you are going to end up with a lot of strikeouts. You just basically backed up the Cavs picks with your post.
Waiters & Thompson will be decent borderline AS players - so a team with 2 borderline AS players, a hands down all-star and then filling in the other spots with an actual all-star or 2 via trade/free agency isn't good enough to win a title now? If that is the case I might as well never watch the NBA again.
If you're that sure they are your guys, and you want them, you don't trade down to get them. You don't give other teams the option to pick them. Cavs lost Andy putting up 14.1/14.4/1.5 spg for the majority of the season. They lost Kyrie for significant time, as well as Dion. Their 3 top scorers, their 3 best players. Cavs weren't nearly as bad as everyone thinks.
The Cavs would've still been in the lotto if all three of those guys played 82 games. They need more scorers and unfrotunately they'll be drafting a taller, skinnier version of Thompson in Noel. Since every team will be trying to copy the OKC model, I think the Cavs drafted Waiters to be their James Harden and Thompson to be their Ibaka...except both guys are nowhere near as talented as Harden & Ibaka.
If the Cavs don't make the playoffs next yr Kyrie will be leaving town just like LeBron, he's already an All NBA level player so I don't think he wants to wait for the rest of the team to develop and catch up to him.
Here's a question: If they went to Orlando and said, "Waiters and a late first rounder for the 2nd pick", would Orlando say no? There's a good chance Orlando take that considering that Waiters has shown quite a bit of promise thus far.
There have been multiple teams to win a championship with a SG that was 6'2....the Celtics back in the day almost always had a smaller SG. And if you want to subtract 2 inches off Waiters listed 6'4 height, then you can find even more guys who were wrongly listed at 6'4 that started at SG on a championship team