Thunder: What next?
I'm a little concerned with the finances for OKC right now.
Durant and Westbrook are definitely getting paid. Harden is worth a maximum contract, and Ibaka is going to have huge value once he hits the market. It makes me wonder though, will they have enough money to keep their big 4 intact? And will they have enough cap room to at least have a decent bench each year? Harden is probably going to get a max from some other team, but will he take less money to play for the Thunder? So will Ibaka?
It's a little pressing issue that I'm sure you guys aren't worried about right now, but I'd like your opinions.
Don't ask for mine, though. I'm still bitter.
Thats the logical decision as of now, but if they get the championship, I see Harden/Ibaka being humble and go for multiple rings instead of multiple money
Man this team got so lucky with the draft...i dont see them being humble, its a business after all and people gots get to paid ( a repeat championship is not garunteed and money/ positibilties with other teams are)
i say they keep Ibaka and let harden go (idealy you would like to keep both but you cant so it would be better to let go of wing players as they already have the likes of durant and westbrook and by keeping Ibaka you have a talented big man)
At least try and sign and trade Harden (when they're forced to do it). I'm not sure what the new ish with that type of stuff is in accordance to the new CBA, but if they can, they should try and do that.
I also think that NBA should create a compensation system. Both the MLB and NHL have implimented it, and it seems to work great. What I mean by this is that if someone were to sign Harden for a max deal, that team would have to give up their first rounders for each of the following two seasons. Thoughts?
Give up their first rounders to the team in which they signed the player from-
Amnesty Kendrick. Hopefully they all take some cuts as well... I have faith in Sam Presti.
If they win a championship, I can see the team staying together. I hope they don't amnesty Perkins, but odds are he might come back to Boston if they do.
I doubt they will take cuts tbh,that is their first contract after their rookie one i.e that is when they starts making real NBA money ,players don't takes pay cuts at that time,may be after but not that one
I think they find a way to get most of the key parts of this team together without overpaying players.
I'm sure Presti will figure out a way to keep the core of the team.
Also Thabo, Collison are signed thru the next 2 and 3 yrs.
Harden and Ibaka are still on their rookie deals but will def. get paid.
They'll have to let guys like Aldrich, Hayward, Cook, Reggie Jackson and maybe Maynor go can't pay everyone. Sign some minimum players only Maynor plays a need position as a backup.
I wouldn't amnesty Perkins or trade him he's got 25 mill. for 3 years that not too bad maybe trade him after a year or 2 he's only 27 right now.
I think Presti saw this coming. That's why he got Cole Aldrich when he did, and why Tibor Pleiss is still stashed over seas. If either of those two guys pans out then they might not be to hurt by amnestying Big Perk. Or better yet, why not try moving everyone up a spot? Let Perk go, have Ibaka play center (lets face it, their are only two or three bruisers left in the nba), and start Durant at PF, and Sefolosha at SF.
C- Ibaka- Cole
Pf- Durant- Collison-Ibaka
SF- Sefolosha- Durant
Sg- Harden- Cook
PG- Westbrook- Maynor
Add a couple rookie contracts to that list, and that team is still scary good on both ends of the floor. Ibaka just needs to play a little bigger. Also it might be worth mentioning that they could easily make a huge trade it they really wanted to. Future is very bright in OKC
saw this coming a few years ago and in the Dailey Oklahoman, sometime this year, he mentioned how he was putting money back and restructing players' contracts to be able to keep them all
Trade Perkins and 28th pick for Dalembert (expiring contract) and Houston 16th pick (Would Houston do that?). Draft Myers Leonard at 16th and resign Harden and Ibaka. But maybe Harden wants to go somewhere to be 1st option
They can replace Ibaka rather easily. Energy can be found, and for all the blocked shots he was giving up as many buckets as he is preventing. Replacing Harden would be so much harder to do replace, and if they screwed up in finding his replacement could take a real step back in the middle of their title window.
BTPH- I agree that energy and blocks can be found, but his ability to hit the 15-18 foot jumper is vastly underrated. A guy who can hit that shot, be among the league leaders in blocked shots, and play with a ton of energy don't come around often
^^ True that. Would they have won the game had Ibaka gone 11-11 or whatever it was? I don't think so. KG has played great all playoffs and why? Because he can step out and hit the midrange shot. Its becoming a piece for success so far in the playoffs. I don't see why they can't put a playoffs incentive into all their contracts.
In terms of what Harden's worth is and what he means to the team, he is absolutely invaluable. He cannot be raplaced. That does not mean that he is a max contract player however. I can see him getting the same type of deal as what Kevin Love got which is still really great. Ibaka I can definitely see getting upwards of 8mil per year. Perk is vastly overpaid for what he does for the team but I think they could offer up a trade on draft day and pick someone up in the draft that could at least hold their position inside against the bigger guys. If they win the championship this year, I can definitely see most of these guys coming back simply because of the atmosphere there is in OKC and the unity amongst the players there.
"BTPH- I agree that energy and blocks can be found, but his ability to hit the 15-18 foot jumper is vastly underrated. A guy who can hit that shot, be among the league leaders in blocked shots, and play with a ton of energy don't come around often"
Serge Ibaka of the Thunder hit all 11 of his shots from the field in Game 4, but the Spurs say they don't plan to adjust their defensive game plan. “Maybe they will do it again, but I don't think so,” coach Gregg Popovich said. (Edward A. Ornelas / San Antonio Express-News)By Jeff McDonald
Oklahoma City forward Serge Ibaka came within one basket of matching an NBA playoff record when he went 11 for 11 from the field in Game 4.
The message Ibaka and fellow big man Kendrick Perkins will get from the Spurs in Game 5 tonight: Good luck replicating it.
Ibaka, Perkins and Nick Collison combined to hit 22 of 25 shots as the Thunder evened the series with a 109-103 victory. Spurs coach Gregg Popovich says the Spurs have no plans to adjust their defense to account for the Thunder’s newly dead-eyed big men.
“Maybe they will do it again, but I don’t think so,” Popovich said. “And we will play the same defense, and if they don’t shoot it as well, it won’t be because of our defense. It will be because they didn’t shoot it as well.”
A 53.5 percent shooter during the regular season, Ibaka scorched the Spurs for a career-high 26 points Saturday. Perkins added 15 points for his second double-digit scoring night of the playoffs. Collison added eight, his postseason high.
The Spurs’ game plan conceded OKC’s big men any mid-range jumper they wanted. The seven dunks the Spurs allowed, however, were off script.
“That’s what we’re giving up,” Spurs forward Stephen Jackson said, referring to the jumpers. “That’s in our game plan. Some of those jump hooks Perk hit, we’ll live with. Some of those wide-open jumpers, (Ibaka) should hit those. We’re giving them to him.”
Underrated by whom? Not by the coaches of the league which can be seen in how teams leave him every game, and certainly not by the coach who is widely regarded as the best in the game. Joakim Noah actually makes a respectable percentage of his mid-range shots as well, but there is a difference to what he does when nobody is within ten feet of him on a thirteen foot jumper and what Kevin Garnett does to actually space a floor and create better offensive opportunities for the team. They aren't comparable in the least.
I have complete faith in Sam Presti. He is truly one of the best GMs if not the best.