HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! I was thinking about a couple of Thunder trade possibilities and how both teams could benefit. I'm not really aware on many other teams so comments and advice on how both teams could be better benefited in the trade would be appreciated. I want honest opinions without any bias. If you don't like the trade, tell me how I could fix it. Thanks in advance.
Here's one: Thunder-Cavaliers
I was thinking both teams could benefit because the Thunder need a rebounder (in Varejao) and a true back-to-basket post scorer that can also run with the Thunder (in JJ Hickson).
This helps the Cavs because it gives the Cavs a young scorer who has been playing out of position and a player young enough to be apart of the rebuilding future. He is a leader and can be a centerpiece along with Mo Williams in bringing the Cavs back to the success it had grown accustomed to. The Cavs also get a true C that fits better in the Cavs system where they can space the floor out because of their 3 point shooting ability which the Thunder lacks. Nenad spreads the floor at the C position because he has a reliable jumpshot, which, in turn, allows players like Antawn Jamison and Jeff Green to attack the basket.
Terrible Trade for Cleveland. You can get more seperately for both Hickson and Verejao.
Verejao could command alot more then Jeff Green, who arguably is slightly overrated in terms of value.
How is Jeff Green overrated. When he is playing SF, he is a much better scorer. When he played while Kevin Durant was hurt, he was having 20+ point games. PF, although he is solid at the position, he is a much better 3. Anyway, what would you do in this trade?
I could see them trading one of them for Green but not both of them. A Varejao for Green trade would be a good trade for both. It would give Hickson more room to grow with Varejao gone and Green could be a great 2nd option.
This isn't a bad idea. But Cleveland seems to think that Hickson is going to be their next franchise player so i doubt they'll trade him. But he's going to be nothing more than a fringe starter. Oklahoma might think they can get more for Green but Varejao would fit nicely with the Thunder. All he would have to do is rebound and play a bit of defense.
Do you have any ideas in mind?
For one, Jeff Green at best is a 3rd man. He hasn't shown anything really to believe he's more then that. He was terrible in the playoffs last year as well. Like I said before, Anderson Verejao is worth more then Jeff Green. Throwing in Hickson would almost make this a lock to be a denied trade.
Well if the Thunder were going to trade for Varejao, Cleveland would give up Leon Powe easier then Hickson, and Leon Powe played quite well back in his days with Boston.
Why would Cleveland trade their best prospect and best defender for a player whose contract expires at the end of the season? Great deal for OKC in that respect...
It would give Hickson more room to grow with Varejao gone and Green could be a great 2nd option.
- I know you haven't watch one Cleveland game.....Verejao doesn't even hinder Hickson. AT ALL.
Are you saying that J.J. Hickson is Cleveland's future franchise player and first-option scorer?
No, but Hickson isn't terrible. He's more a 4th option or 6th man to me. Cleveland has noone to fear, thus, your scorers have a tough time scoring. Hickson should be alright if Cleveland can land a Barnes or someone like that.
My point: I'm not trading one of the best defensive big men for a at best, 3rd option, who's showed he can't play well with pressure on him. Sorry, that's a bad deal.
Did you see Green play when Durant was out with injury? He was scoring at least 20-25 a game. Even had 1 or 2 games over 30.
He didn't play well in his FIRST ever playoffs. Countless players struggle their first time into the playoffs. Doesn't mean it will happen again, he is also playing out of position.
That's all good. He scored 20-25 a game. That's what players are supposed to do when a star is out. It's called "picking up the scoring load". I'm still not believing he's anything more then a 3rd option at best. I've said this before, he's moveable, but he's not someone I'd say " Yes, I'm getting Jeff Green back". Plus, if you watch him play, he's not as fast as some of the SF's in the league. He can guard slower SF's, but I've seen guys give him trouble. He's alright defensively and solid on offense. He's a 15-5 guy. If he went to Cleveland, he'd probably be a 17-7 guy. Great 3rd option numbers if you ask me. He gets alot off with Durant and Westbrook around him.
I think if Green was the go to scorer in Cleveland he would be scoring around 22. He's been playing out of position since OKC moved Durant to SF, which wouldn't help him at all. With him spending so much energy banging up against bigger players on defense it would be hard for him to score alot, he defended Pau Gasol in the playoffs..., And with Harden, Westbrook and Durant getting a majority of the shots it would be hard for anybody else to get a lot of shots, he has his role in OKC and he plays it without complaint. But give him starters minutes in Cleveland at the SF and he would be playing a lot better.
But give him starters minutes in Cleveland at the SF and he would be playing a lot better.
I disagree. In OKC, you have Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant. Those are two of the top 15 players in the NBA. Teams have to throw there best defenders at them. Green can score but not like both of these guys can. OKC moved Durant to SF after their second season...so where is this "he's been playing terrible" stuff? Or are you saying he's been terrible his whole career?
If Green went to Cleveland, he would be exposed as the 3rd option he is.
When do i say he's been playing terrible? And yes the best defenders defend them. But seriously who will manage to stop the shots for Durant and Westbrook? Harden is a natural scorer as well in the minutes he gets. With Durant getting 30 a game. Westbrook 25. Green is 16 and 6 behind those guys at the moment. 2 of the top players in the league.
For one, James Harden is not just offense.
You just made my point for me, Green is a 3rd man behind two top 15 guys. Just because he's had a couple good games doesn't mean "Damn, he could be a franchise guy! He could be a #1 on a team" No, that's the same thing we said with Andrey Blatche going into this season.
Then sell me on this: He's getting 16-6 while being guarded by teams #3 ( most nights) defenders, what makes you think he's gonna be putting up 22-7 if he's the ONLY player to worry about in Cleveland?
His isn't a case of not scoring much on their 3rd defender, more or less the shots he's getting. Durant and Westbrook put up half of their teams shots basically. for the situation 16-6 is pretty good to have. In every game where Durant was missing this season he scored 20-25 with a couple of 30's. He even scored more then Westbrook in 1 or 2 of them. When Durant isn't playing Green gets the shots and he scores a lot. And this is with their best defender for him defending him.
Alright man. If that's what you think.
What would he have to offer the Thunder? I never see him play.
Cleveland hasn't played him because Hickson needs to develop and Jamison is there. Powe is a strong body, bit undersized, can rebound, provides some inside toughness and someone who can do the dirty work down low. Not a bad defender either, he got minutes for the Boston team that won the championship.
The Thunder really don't need another undersized "big". That's why they lose to the elite teams of the NBA.
Yeah i was saying Powe instead of Hickson.... they're both very similar and you still have Varejao in your trade
Hickson is overrated, and that's coming from a Cavs fan, he's a terrible rebounder and decent offensively. Not a franchise player, never will be one.
As for the trade, i'd like to get Green, but i wouldn't want to give up Varejao in order to get him, Varejao is a useful bigman to have. I wouldn't want to give up trade exceptions either.
Odds are, if the Cavs got Green, he'd be the 3rd option again, whoever the Cavs get in the draft will demand the ball and then Mo Williams will want his shots. He'd be in the same situation he was in OKC, except, he won't be winning as much games.