Three team trade idea, tell me who loses
- Toronto recieves: Monta Ellis, Dequan Cook and Louis Amundson
- Oklahoma City recieves: Stephen Curry, Linas Klezia and James Johnson
- Golden State recieves: Jose Calderon, DeMar DeRozan, Russell Westbrook and Toronto's 2011 1st round pick
Toronto's view: For Toronto, there isn't a better player in this draft better then Monta Ellis. Adding a superstar in Ellis, who can play both point guard and shooting guard. DeQuan Cook could be another good shooter for Toronto and Louis Amundson provides rebounding and toughness.
Oklahoma City's view: Gotta move on from Russell Westbrook. Stephen Curry would be a great fit as a second scorer and passer. Linas Klezia could rebound his career in Oklahoma City and James Johnson could do the same.
Golden State's view: Jose Calderon could run the offense. While he isn't the scorer Curry is, he can be the passer/assists guy in a small lineup. Russell Westbrook and DeRozan can be young pieces in the backcourt, and for the future. The 2011 1st round pick could be a good piece as well.
DeMar is a potential franchise player for Toronto and a fan favourite.... I don't think it'd be smart to trade him. DeRozan has been improving a lot since he got into the league. I'm down for trading Calderon and Kleiza though.
I understand that, but Ellis is the better player.
I think hes the one real untochable on the Raps unless its something really crazy.
I also don't think G ST are going to get rid of both guards Ellis and Curry. Its probably 1 or the other.
I also don't think G ST are going to get rid of both guards Ellis and Curry. Its probably 1 or the other.
I only moved Ellis because I think if OKC wanted to do a Curry for Westbrook swap, Westbrook and Ellis cannot play together.
DeMar plays more team-orientated basketball. I may be a biased Raptors fan but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that. He plays well with his teammates and is marketable in Toronto (The Young Onez - Amir, DeMar, Sonny). If the Raptors trade Bargnani, then DeMar will be the #1 option and I think he'll do a lot more when he has that role.
Golden State makes out like thieves in this trade. They get an all-star young point guard in Westbrook(who is better than Ellis) who excels uptempo and an a older one in Calderon who is a very good distributor plus a shooting guard in Derozan who is on the rise to stardom. They also get a top five pick and while this is a weak draft, there are still a lot of decent players- most notably Enes Kanter for the Warriors because he would allow Lee to play power forward and make Biedrins expendable. Why is everyone now saying OKC has to get rid of Westbrook after a few questionable performances and why would Stephen Curry be better than Westbrook OVERALL for OKC?
Ya this trade is horsesh*t for the Raptors! I'd rather have DeRozan than Ellis, yes Ellis is the better player right now but Derozan has better potential on the defensive end as well I believe he can be a 20PPG scorer every night.
The Thunder get shafted here as well, giving up Westbrook for Steph Curry? A point guard to take even more shots is not something the Thunder need, and that's what we've seen in this series. Atleast Westbrook gets to the line more than Curry.
Why would the Thunder trade Russell Westbrook?
The Thunder are 4th in the west, and one of the youngest teams in the league. Westbrook and Durant have developed a chemistry as one of the league's best duo's, and OKC will continue to grow and get better together. Talented as Stephen Curry is, if it isn't broken, don't fix it.
I understand Westbrook is a score first PG, but so what? He keeps constant pressure on the other teams defense, and while he can take some bad shots at times, he's still only 22 and learning the game. People are hitting the panic button way to fast on this situation.
On top of that, Toronto wouldn't screw their future like that. Derozan is the future of the franchise, or at least a big part, and on top of that weak as the 2011 draft class is, you can still get a quality piece with a top 5 pick. Monta Ellis may be better at this point in their careers, but even if they added Ellis it's not like Toronto would be a legit contender for anything serious. Better to have patience and work on adding pieces who can help later down the line, then rush into a plan when it's unlikely they'd be a contender anyways.
The only team this makes sense for is GS, and honestly is just seems like your being biased towards the Warriors without putting the other teams' thoughts into it.
Golden States Lineup and depth chart with this trade assuming they draft Kanter(they would also have another lotto pick):
SG- Demar Derozan/ Charlie Bell
SF: Dorrell Wright/ likely Al Thornton
PF: David Lee/ Ekpe Udoh
C: Enes Kanter*/Andris Biedrins
They would probably be the most improved team in the NBA with this lineup, even though they would likely have a thin bench- but they could take care of that with their other lotto pick and free agency.
In all seriousness Calderon sucks
You must be a Warriors fan, cause they fleece in this trade.
I have been a Raptors fan from the start, but holy crap I can't believe all the dillusional homer Raptors fans on here who supremely over-value Derozan. He is and NEVER will be a franchise player! Are you kidding me??? In what scenario do you ever see him being a top twenty player in this league? I mean he doesn't suck or anything, and I think he could be decent piece for a young team, but he's not busting out or anything. This is what is wrong with TO sports fans, always falling in love with mediocre players and then wondering why championships never come this way.
If for some reason Golden State offered up Curry (not Ellis) for Derozan. We should take that all the way to the bank. Why? Because I'd prefer a great shooting PG, with the game changing firepower and potential Curry has if given the full time reins to the ball, and winning personality to boot. We just missed drafting him anyways, and his Dad played here as well. Demar is an above avg athelete for a SG/SF, and he can get to the line, but he's not a great shooter, his range is not consistent at all (can't stretch the defense), and at best I see him developing into a less atheletic version of Jason Richardson... Who by the way was never a frachise player despite being fun to watch.
Franchise players win games. They can close out a game, by being dominant in some facet of the game. Derozan is not that at all. Curry at least could hit clutch shots, big threes, is automatic from the charity stripe, and is improving defensively. To me that is what a franchise guard needs to be able to do. Let's be reasonable Raps fans, to stop being the joke of the league we need to start talking like we know what it takes to be successful.
Obviously we'll prob end up with Kanter, and we'll just have to find a new home for Bargs, if someone would take Bedrins for something cheaper and equally effective..... and we will have an easier time finding a SG in return for Bargs than a franchise PG, in the meantime Weems can fill in admirably. This means cap flex, better defense and shooting, and more talent at key positions. Goobye Jose the human pylon, hello playoffs 2013! If we need to jell for a year, then we might have a shot at nice impact wing player next draft.
the original trade is one of the most random and idiotic ideas ive heard...yea like okc is tradin russel westbrooke...maybe you can propose a lebron for demar trade while you're at it.
Me personally have never said Demars going to be our franchise player, but a solid 2nd or 3rd option on our team when we get franchise talent? Yes. His slashing & scoring is something we haven't had at the wing since VC left. I think when people say he is going to be the franchise this year is because he will be the best player on this roster. (If Bargs gets traded). Which moving forward we would need a legitimate franchise player either through the drafts or by trading Bargs.
Derozan always recieves a bunch of hate and Im getting sick of it. He needs to improve but is more then willing to. He had an amazing Sophmore year and easily has the potential to be the second best player in hus draft class next year behind Blake Griffin. He puts the work in and it shows. Not if, but when he becomes a respectable at least 30% from three he will be an extremely dangerous SG. He has the perfect size and athletisism for the prototypical SG body, and come playoff time inches and pounds matters more and more. Alot of people overrate his athletisism but he is a better athlete then just above average, athletisism doesnt just mean how high a player can jump and just bedcause he doesnt explode like Blake Griffin, or Derrick Rose doesnt mean he is just above average. He is a great athlete!
Franchise player maybe a stretch, but an effiecient 20-ppg scorer and a player that could be a leading scorer on a deep team is a defiite. Even if his upsde is just that of Jason Richardson, people gotta remember J-Rich was doing what Ellis is doing in Goldenstate while winning. Also he does have Top 20 player potential, but he is more likely to be a Top 40 type guy which is still very good.
Agreed. I said he could be a good piece, but also I wouldn't hesitate to give him up either for a more valuable piece of the puzzle. My thing is right now I don't think anyone on the roster should be untouchable or irreplaceable. Considering recent posts on who will be the top 4 -5 teams for the next 5-10 years, I don't think we are even close to being competitive on that level. If we need to trade a few fan favorites to get there, then we need to be that ruthless and bold.
Maybe the 2011 1st round pick from Toronto was too much?
I don't think I've ever seen a score that low on this site. To quote Ron Burgundy: "I'm not even mad, I'm impressed!" I kind of want to congratulate you on that, it's kind of fantastic, haha.
The trade machine is hilarious. I gutted the Wolves roster to get Kevin Durant, Blake Griffin, Eric Gordon, Russell Westbrook, and Kendrick Perkins, it worked just fine. If only trades like that could actually happen...haha
Is the 2011 pick for the warriors unprotected? Because, I like Westbrook more than ellis, but definitely not curry. Curry puts the thunder at 65 win potential for the next 5 years, but for the warriors, a good pg, a potential all star in De Rozan (No he is not a Franchise player) and you have their top 10 pick, plus the warrors top 10, if you break it down that way, it is not bad for the warriors, but why would toronto take, it? And OKC is not out of the playoffs. Everybody is acting like they need to blow everything up and start new, but they in my opinion, have a fifty-fifty shot to beat the Mavs, so I think if they get to the finals, they keep westbrook. But the trade just does not work out for the other teams, so this trade is insane for everyone except GS.(possible OKC too)