[Hoops MaestroParticipant]

I want the NBA to have the best product too. That’s why I think they should be able to sign anyone, at any age. Tennis and golf and gymnastics and baseball don’t make players wait until they are 21 to start. If someone can hang with NBA starters when they’re 18, why arbitrarily keep them out? How would the NBA have been better in the years they didn’t play if Kobe and LeBron had to wait until they were 21?

[Hoops MaestroParticipant]

I want the NBA to have the best product too. That’s why I think they should be able to sign anyone, at any age. Tennis and golf and gymnastics and baseball don’t make players wait until they are 21 to start. If someone can hang with NBA starters when they’re 18, why arbitrarily keep them out? How would the NBA have been better in the years they didn’t play if Kobe and LeBron had to wait until they were 21?

[[email protected]Participant]

they allow you if you choose to declare right out of HS or you have to wait 3yrs after.

The top ready guys can go because their on that level, but the mid range and developmental ones go to school get at least there 2yr degree and have some thing to fall back on.

[[email protected]Participant]

they allow you if you choose to declare right out of HS or you have to wait 3yrs after.

The top ready guys can go because their on that level, but the mid range and developmental ones go to school get at least there 2yr degree and have some thing to fall back on.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

I would like the NBA to have a three and done rule. I don’t want to see the rule put into place for the sake of the college game or to keep these guys from going pro. I just want the NBA to have the best product. I don’t even want to see these guys stay 3yrs in college the guys not meant to play college should go overseas or utilize dleague. Since the one and done rule was put in place the NBA has gotten considerably better. I think if prospects have three years of experience outside of high school before the draft then the NBA will start seeing more players who are ready to contribute when they arrive on Nova rosters. Its just like any other job you don’t get it without the right amount of experience and that is why the NBA should go to a three and done rule. I think if you did a 3 and done rule teams would stop having to select players who won’t contribute for years at the top of the draft. With this rule I would also like to see the dleague expanded. I think with the dleague expanded and more marketing put into dleague and higher salaries like 50 thousand instead of 30thousand it wouldn’t be as bad. Also teams would get more mature players and less Demarcus Cousins.

[franfranParticipant]

I would like to have a rule, they say, one year in college and 2 in Europe, before they can enter the NBA, or 4 years in college

[franfranParticipant]

I would like to have a rule, they say, one year in college and 2 in Europe, before they can enter the NBA, or 4 years in college

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

I hate the idea of keeping them out longer than they already are. I know I might be alone on this but I actually really like the one and done rule from a fans perspective. Melo, Deng, and Marvin Williams were all one and dones before the rule came into play and no one was up in arms then. From a selfish standpoint I would have loved to see Lebron, Kobe, Dwight, KG, Bynum, etc in college for at least one year. It also gives scouts a better feel for who these players are. I think for a player like Gerald Green he would have really benefitted from a year at Oklahoma State in terms of a team concept, playing defense, and even working in a strength and conditioning setting.
Players like Josh Selby, Beasley and Cousins weren’t going to get any better if they stayed in college for another two years. Beasley already dominated at K-State, Cousins proved to be a top 5 pick, and Selby had a terrible attitude from the jump.

Finally the risk of injury is too much. These guys are worth too much and have too much to lose financially. Look what happened to Marcus Lattimore at S. Carolina over the last two years. Jedeveon Clowney is even considering sitting out next year since ‘he’s already considered the best prospect. I know it’s a more violent sport but could you imagine if Livingston tore his knee up if he went to college and never made it to the league?

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

I hate the idea of keeping them out longer than they already are. I know I might be alone on this but I actually really like the one and done rule from a fans perspective. Melo, Deng, and Marvin Williams were all one and dones before the rule came into play and no one was up in arms then. From a selfish standpoint I would have loved to see Lebron, Kobe, Dwight, KG, Bynum, etc in college for at least one year. It also gives scouts a better feel for who these players are. I think for a player like Gerald Green he would have really benefitted from a year at Oklahoma State in terms of a team concept, playing defense, and even working in a strength and conditioning setting.
Players like Josh Selby, Beasley and Cousins weren’t going to get any better if they stayed in college for another two years. Beasley already dominated at K-State, Cousins proved to be a top 5 pick, and Selby had a terrible attitude from the jump.

Finally the risk of injury is too much. These guys are worth too much and have too much to lose financially. Look what happened to Marcus Lattimore at S. Carolina over the last two years. Jedeveon Clowney is even considering sitting out next year since ‘he’s already considered the best prospect. I know it’s a more violent sport but could you imagine if Livingston tore his knee up if he went to college and never made it to the league?

[ph90702]

Marcus Lattimore was injured every year he was at South Carolina. From a physical standpoint, he could have played in the NFL out of high school.

[ph90702]

Marcus Lattimore was injured every year he was at South Carolina. From a physical standpoint, he could have played in the NFL out of high school.

[ph90702]

I agree with you on expanding the NBA D League. However, I don’t believe in the system we have now where a player has to go to college for a year. I think the old system was fine. LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, and Kobe Bryant all came out of high school, and all three of them are Hall of Famers.

[ph90702]

I agree with you on expanding the NBA D League. However, I don’t believe in the system we have now where a player has to go to college for a year. I think the old system was fine. LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, and Kobe Bryant all came out of high school, and all three of them are Hall of Famers.

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

For every Kobe and Lebron you have three Ndudi Ebi, Kwame Brown, Sebastian Telfair, Leon Smith, and Jon Bender. Just because there are a hand full of HOF players who came out of high school doesn’t make it fool proof.

But I rather them allow players come out of high school than force them into three years.

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

For every Kobe and Lebron you have three Ndudi Ebi, Kwame Brown, Sebastian Telfair, Leon Smith, and Jon Bender. Just because there are a hand full of HOF players who came out of high school doesn’t make it fool proof.

But I rather them allow players come out of high school than force them into three years.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Jon Bender got hurt, Ndudi Ebi should have never been drafted out of high school, Leon Smith had issues, and Telfair has been decent as a bkup but he probably would have benefited going to college for 2 years because of his size and once you fall out of favor in the NBA, it is hard to get minutes. Kwame has done well as an NBA player but terrible as a number one draft pick. I would bet if a GM knew a player with Kwame game, size, and what not was coming out in this current draft, he would be a top 5 or 8 pick.

Also you have to name me all the Ebi that were drafted because I have kept up with most of the drafts and there are more successful High School to pros players than college to pro players percentage wise. It is not even close. Also a lot of the high school players were All Star level to Super Star level.

You left off Monta Ellis,Tyson Chandler, Jermaine O’neal, Tracy Mcgrady, Rashard Lewis, Al Harrington, Josh Smith, Al Jefferson.

You know what just check this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_high_school_draftees

[sheltwon3Participant]

Jon Bender got hurt, Ndudi Ebi should have never been drafted out of high school, Leon Smith had issues, and Telfair has been decent as a bkup but he probably would have benefited going to college for 2 years because of his size and once you fall out of favor in the NBA, it is hard to get minutes. Kwame has done well as an NBA player but terrible as a number one draft pick. I would bet if a GM knew a player with Kwame game, size, and what not was coming out in this current draft, he would be a top 5 or 8 pick.

Also you have to name me all the Ebi that were drafted because I have kept up with most of the drafts and there are more successful High School to pros players than college to pro players percentage wise. It is not even close. Also a lot of the high school players were All Star level to Super Star level.

You left off Monta Ellis,Tyson Chandler, Jermaine O’neal, Tracy Mcgrady, Rashard Lewis, Al Harrington, Josh Smith, Al Jefferson.

You know what just check this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_high_school_draftees

[JoeJoParticipant]

So you think there were 3 flops for every successful high schoolers? You couldn’t be more wrong. How about Amare, McGrady, Howard, Al Jefferson, Josh Smith, Rashard Lewis, Al Harrington, Monta Ellis, Bynum, Kendrick Perkins, Tyson Chandler, J.R. Smith. Heck even guys like CJ Miles and Dorell Wright have carved out decent careers.

Of course it’s not fool proof. Neither are guys who come out of college or foreign professional leagues.

[JoeJoParticipant]

So you think there were 3 flops for every successful high schoolers? You couldn’t be more wrong. How about Amare, McGrady, Howard, Al Jefferson, Josh Smith, Rashard Lewis, Al Harrington, Monta Ellis, Bynum, Kendrick Perkins, Tyson Chandler, J.R. Smith. Heck even guys like CJ Miles and Dorell Wright have carved out decent careers.

Of course it’s not fool proof. Neither are guys who come out of college or foreign professional leagues.

[ph90702]

Nothing is fool proof. I was just trying to debunk the nonsense that people need to go to college to be a superstar. Even people who go to college for four years and are considered safe can flop as well.

[ph90702]

Nothing is fool proof. I was just trying to debunk the nonsense that people need to go to college to be a superstar. Even people who go to college for four years and are considered safe can flop as well.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

I understand Lebron and kobe and Garnett successfully transisioned to the nba but they still had major holes in there game. Lebron still needed major work on his jumpshot. Kobe still wasnt physically ready and neither was Garnett. I think if thse guys went to college the fans wouldn’t have had to wiat through the non all star years and they would have already been more complete in there game. I honestly think if lebron went to college he would have been forced to develop a jumpshot a lot earlier and he might have the rings to match the mvps by now.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

I understand Lebron and kobe and Garnett successfully transisioned to the nba but they still had major holes in there game. Lebron still needed major work on his jumpshot. Kobe still wasnt physically ready and neither was Garnett. I think if thse guys went to college the fans wouldn’t have had to wiat through the non all star years and they would have already been more complete in there game. I honestly think if lebron went to college he would have been forced to develop a jumpshot a lot earlier and he might have the rings to match the mvps by now.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Most college players need work on their games coming out of college as well and Lebron despite his short comings was better than anyone in his rookie class and some NBA vets when he came out and he was physically ready. Also Kobe would have averaged 20 points or more as a rookie on any other team.

[ph90702]

I don’t agree with you about Kobe’s rookie year. He had almost nothing on offense. He was basically a jump shooter and a guy who was really athletic.

[ph90702]

I don’t agree with you about Kobe’s rookie year. He had almost nothing on offense. He was basically a jump shooter and a guy who was really athletic.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Most college players need work on their games coming out of college as well and Lebron despite his short comings was better than anyone in his rookie class and some NBA vets when he came out and he was physically ready. Also Kobe would have averaged 20 points or more as a rookie on any other team.

[GlenTaylorSucksParticipant]

I think the NHL has the best model. Draft kids out of high school if you want, and you retain their rights for up to 5 years of college. They can go pro when they choose to- either straight out of high school, or after a little bit of college. Or they could opt to go to an amateur league (USHL or Canadian Hockey League).

I think the NBA would benefit greatly from this model, as those who are ready to go straight out of HS can go, but they can go to school for a year or two if they don’t feel prepared. Coaches/GM’s can also give feedback to potential draftees to help them make more informed decisions about whether to turn pro or not.

[GlenTaylorSucksParticipant]

I think the NHL has the best model. Draft kids out of high school if you want, and you retain their rights for up to 5 years of college. They can go pro when they choose to- either straight out of high school, or after a little bit of college. Or they could opt to go to an amateur league (USHL or Canadian Hockey League).

I think the NBA would benefit greatly from this model, as those who are ready to go straight out of HS can go, but they can go to school for a year or two if they don’t feel prepared. Coaches/GM’s can also give feedback to potential draftees to help them make more informed decisions about whether to turn pro or not.

[mrhancocParticipant]

I vote for a str8 to the NBA at 18 or if you go to college then you must stay 2yrs…….and if you go undrafted, let em back in school if they’re an underclassman, don’t see nothing wrong with it

[mrhancocParticipant]

I vote for a str8 to the NBA at 18 or if you go to college then you must stay 2yrs…….and if you go undrafted, let em back in school if they’re an underclassman, don’t see nothing wrong with it

[sheltwon3Participant]

That is not a terrible idea but college does not want that because of how they do their scouting. They changed the draft rule because of that stuff. It would make a decent compromise though.

[sheltwon3Participant]

That is not a terrible idea but college does not want that because of how they do their scouting. They changed the draft rule because of that stuff. It would make a decent compromise though.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

Increasing the age rule only hurts players with a lack of creativity. The rule didnt hurt brandon jennings or any other prospect worth it. The only prospects it hurts are the ones who arent that good. Players who are great talents will be followed by nba scouts no matter were they play. if Lebron played at a community college he still would habe been number one.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

Increasing the age rule only hurts players with a lack of creativity. The rule didnt hurt brandon jennings or any other prospect worth it. The only prospects it hurts are the ones who arent that good. Players who are great talents will be followed by nba scouts no matter were they play. if Lebron played at a community college he still would habe been number one.

[hylandptParticipant]

One and done rule is fine. 3 is too much.

if a player needs 3 years of college, he’ll be convinced enough to stay. If he leaves too early, he wasn’t that good to begin with and got overhyped in HS.

[hylandptParticipant]

One and done rule is fine. 3 is too much.

if a player needs 3 years of college, he’ll be convinced enough to stay. If he leaves too early, he wasn’t that good to begin with and got overhyped in HS.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

Everyones response centers around college. My reasoning for the 3 and done is not college. It is the dleague overseas etc. I just want developed and ready to play players in the nba from day one. Look back to the years when players went to college and rarely came out early. The guys would be all stars first year or close. Now a guy comes out if he can score 20 its a big deal. Jordans rookie year he averaged like 25. Look at lebrons rookie year he put up 20 and it was hug because he was out of high school but with three years of pro ball overseas or dlegue I think he comes in the league putting up 25 and his other stats go up and by the age he is not he has multiple rings and he would have not had to team with dwade and bosh, As it is he is 28 and just now becoming the complete player he was expected to be. He is just now finding consistency with his jumpshot. Overseas is alot like college with better players in that the game is closed in with the zone he would have had to develp his jumpshot and he still would have been marketed and made his money but he would have had more time to develop his game without the pressure of saving an nba franchise.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

Everyones response centers around college. My reasoning for the 3 and done is not college. It is the dleague overseas etc. I just want developed and ready to play players in the nba from day one. Look back to the years when players went to college and rarely came out early. The guys would be all stars first year or close. Now a guy comes out if he can score 20 its a big deal. Jordans rookie year he averaged like 25. Look at lebrons rookie year he put up 20 and it was hug because he was out of high school but with three years of pro ball overseas or dlegue I think he comes in the league putting up 25 and his other stats go up and by the age he is not he has multiple rings and he would have not had to team with dwade and bosh, As it is he is 28 and just now becoming the complete player he was expected to be. He is just now finding consistency with his jumpshot. Overseas is alot like college with better players in that the game is closed in with the zone he would have had to develp his jumpshot and he still would have been marketed and made his money but he would have had more time to develop his game without the pressure of saving an nba franchise.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

What rookie of any age does not have work to do? Straight from HS should be the rule. If your undrafted go to school or d league as options. Strengthen the D league and college while elite go pro. That’s what it would be in an honest system.

[sheltwon3Participant]

I like this idea as well but they would definitely need to expand the D league to make this work. D league is better for growth than college. College is about hype and making colleges more money.

[ph90702]

I’d like to see a D League team in Las Vegas.

[ph90702]

I’d like to see a D League team in Las Vegas.

[sheltwon3Participant]

I like this idea as well but they would definitely need to expand the D league to make this work. D league is better for growth than college. College is about hype and making colleges more money.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

What rookie of any age does not have work to do? Straight from HS should be the rule. If your undrafted go to school or d league as options. Strengthen the D league and college while elite go pro. That’s what it would be in an honest system.

[BigChamp12Participant]

I think it should be their choice to go to the league if they want to. Some guys are ready right away. If they can make the jump, why stop them? They dont have the rule in store to develop these guys before they get to the league. They have the rule so that they can make money off these players. The NCAA is all about money. The NBA is all about money. Think about the anticipation of Andrew Wiggins playing college ball next season. He’s good enough to be drafted. If he was to get drafted, the NCAA would miss out on the massive amount of money that he is going to make them next season.
And to force guys to go to school for two years would be a failure. These guys want to play ball and know they are good enough. You actually think they are going to stick around in school for an extra year when they know they can be getting paid to play. If that happens, you’ll see a lot more guys opting to go overseas or to the D-League

[BigChamp12Participant]

I think it should be their choice to go to the league if they want to. Some guys are ready right away. If they can make the jump, why stop them? They dont have the rule in store to develop these guys before they get to the league. They have the rule so that they can make money off these players. The NCAA is all about money. The NBA is all about money. Think about the anticipation of Andrew Wiggins playing college ball next season. He’s good enough to be drafted. If he was to get drafted, the NCAA would miss out on the massive amount of money that he is going to make them next season.
And to force guys to go to school for two years would be a failure. These guys want to play ball and know they are good enough. You actually think they are going to stick around in school for an extra year when they know they can be getting paid to play. If that happens, you’ll see a lot more guys opting to go overseas or to the D-League

[GrandmamaParticipant]

If you think the “3 and done rule” is even remotely a good idea, then you should cease watching sports altogether.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

If you think the “3 and done rule” is even remotely a good idea, then you should cease watching sports altogether.

[HitsterParticipant]

Lets throw a bit of a random idea in here, the NBA starts a draft advisory board similar to what the NFL does for players who will be draft eligible at the next draft. That could help players make more informed decisions.

[HitsterParticipant]

Lets throw a bit of a random idea in here, the NBA starts a draft advisory board similar to what the NFL does for players who will be draft eligible at the next draft. That could help players make more informed decisions.

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