I realize that there is more to music than just lyrics.
But...for me...lyrics is the most important and I do enjoy the throwback beats K.Dot is working with.
That being said, I'm saying he has potential to be an all-time great. I know he has actually been on the scene for a while, but he isn't even signed yet. Other than Top Dawg...which they run (Black Hippy n co.). Once he's better funded im sure other aspects of his music will improve, i just hope he doesn't lose who he is like a few guys I used to like such as T.I., the Old Kayne...etc.
And its your opinion, but Jay-z is not the GOAT imo. That still is a between 2Pac n Biggie, and I'm not just saying that b/c "your suppose to say that". I honest to God think those 2 are the greatest at this point. I put Big L above Jay as well.
I respect that you stick to your guns though Tuck. And I def. think you know a thing or 2 about hiphop.
Mos Def, Budden, Black Thought...these guys def. are underrated. Its cool we got more people on here who know more than just your typical mainstream rap.
wasn't a dope rapper... Hear me out before you trip out... He meant so much more to the Black community... His songs inspired to do more... His trick? To keep it simple and talk directly to you... Him getting deep was about telling you EXACTLY how he felt... That's why I keep saying I feel Kendrick is TRYING to be deep and he's TRYING to be lyrical... Just flow and be real... Biggie was nice lyrically and flow, but not personal enough... Maybe its because he barely have any material out, sue me, it's the truth... You can't call someone the Greatest of All-Time with 2 albums out... That's soooo disrespectful to people who progressed... I feel saying Pac, Biggie, Pun, and Big L is a cop out... You give me Biggie top lyrical songs and I'll give you at least double of Jay-Z... "I'm so far ahead of my time I'm bout to start another life, look behind you I'm about to past you twice, back to the future had to slow up for the present I'm fast, ninja's still can't get past my past." People talk about Wayne when he wanna get long winded he snaps... That 7 foot... Or go back in the day to that Best of Me freestyle with Sqad Up...
You do too bro... But I just wish you understand Hip-Hop is wayyyy more than "lyrical" guys... Even Lil B trash a$$ has some decent songs... As much as I dislike down south rappers I listen to Travis Porter and throw on the Shady Cypher afterwards... Just a fan of Hip-Hop you can't take everything seriously in Hip-Hop because Hip-Hop in it self isn't... Neither is life...
No I agree...
"I realize that there is more to music than just lyrics.
But...for me...lyrics is the most important and I do enjoy the throwback beats K.Dot is working with."
There are plenty of tracks I love that aren't filled with great lyricism. Its just the majority of the time, that is what I appreciate most in songs, especially hiphop. Flow is huge, I can appreciate a great beat, and when you get a classic song that combines it all...that is hiphop in its finest.
This is why I think K.Dot has potential to be one of my favorites. He has lyricism down, and a different flow. I think in time he could develop into one of my favorites of all time. He isn't yet, but I just think he has a bright future. Mos Def, Black Thought, Vinnie Paz, Immortal, MF, Lupe...those guys aren't leaving my mind anytime soon. I love all sorts of hiphop and they are pioneers as far as lyricism and flow.
I thought Lupe killed it on LASERs and supposedly it aint even 1/2 as good as Lupe says it could have been, given full power over what was released on it. That album is art. Beats, flow, lyrics, a message...awesome.
"To be honest Pac....wasn't a dope rapper..."
Dymes did you really let him say that...Ive been watching this one from afar hoping you would handle it, but thats crossing the line, and it seems like you dont really wanna argue, soooo.....I guess its now my job. Pac wasn't a dope rapper? Seriously you really think that?
First of all Tupac was a "dope MC" and never was a rapper. During the times where "HIP HOP" (the peoples expression and free will transfered into musical compisitions), was turning into "RAP" (african american stereotypical music processed and sold through mainstream corporations) Tupac fought those corporations taking over the peoples music singlehandidly. He was a revolutionist. The man was an extremely educated activist who subliminaly influenced his fans,the black community, and entire hip hop community as a whole to come together as one and fight oppression created by world leaders.
He is also a very sharp lyricist, although he is not the best I agree on that. Still I do not think their are 10 MC's/Rappers with better lyrical abillities then Pac. Pac will probally have another album come out in a year or two that is 10 times better then anything on the market and he was assassinated 15 years ago... Maybe "wasnt a dope rapper" just isnt what you meant to say.
I couldn't even comment on that part man. I was just like if you don't think Pac is a dope rapper, then I'm not gonna change your mind on anything.
Pac is still by far the greatest IMO. He had it all. He poured his soul into his rap. Battling, spiritual, lessons, a mission, sick beats, amazing flow, every track of his is classic in my eyes. He was an activist and is a leader to many. What he accomplished with his music sets a new standard. Its a damn near unreachable benchmark.
OhCanada you know how I feel about Pac. Its just I've typed alot on this thread and I need to chill for a moment. What you stated is 100% truth tho.
Its not even close... The game...and the world more importantly diffently misses him whether people can acknowledge it or not theres a huge void.
Best rapper ever
Also symbolically the goat represents the Devil so perhaps the fact that Jay-Z is the consensus G.O.A.T. is acceptable. Lets not foget Jay-Z was actaully the heir apparent to Biggies throne as far as the rap game goes. Biggie had a clothing line named "666" I believe that was being launched which would have had 100's of million's of people in the world wearing 666. Instead Jay-Z took the throne and started a label so bluntly named Rocafella, which was blatently named after the Roccefeller family who's combined wealth cannot even be assessed by any level of value...basically they own the industrial world. This is what Tupac didnt want to happen. People throwing an Illuminati pyramid into the sky, after hearing their favourite rapper, a guy who names his label after one of the most heartless power craving men ever to walk the face of the earth, and also blantently raps about his experiences with the illuminati taking his soul, and subliminally shows images supporting the illuminati throughout his songs and label. Funny thing is Eminem is considered by many just good as Jay Z and he does the exact same thing but in a way worse fashion, and Lil Wayne is the next up to bat with the same intent.
I may sound crazy, funny thing about this is that these things are just common knowledge to me to the point where I really dont care at this point...it is just a way of life. Deception is everywhere its just people are way too blinded, or too stupid to see it. The "third eye" helps you see through all the media BS. If youve developed a third eye you know exactly what I mean, if not you probally think Im crazy, me myself Im probally just gonna go to bed so i can go back to work and make my company 1000 times more money then I make since I work in commission based energy sales. Nighty night!
I didn't really pay much heed to this thread, cause I'm not a really big rap fan. Then I kept seeing the post total rise and rise, and I was like, "Oh no, I hope Kanye Didn' say somthing like-White rappers aren't that good because of the color of their skin, but that's Ok, my favortite QB (Jay Quitler) is white, so I'm not reacist." lol
ive heard already a few songs from lamar
and the dude can str8 flow
No one cares about Jay-Z's relations with the Illuminati... We are talking about rap...
Secondly, if you read everything I said about Pac you will see I said he meant so much more... Honestly I wouldn't call him a rapper because he was on a different level... His message touch many and to be honest you can replay his ish right now to get thru a hard time... BUT lyrically he wasn't nice... He just used big words that's all...
Dr. J came before Jordan... And is Jordan not the greatest? I mean come on... I understand Pac, Pun, Big, and L died but it isn't fair that yall put these dudes in this arena that no one can touch... Jay-Z surpassssssssssssed every expectation imaginable for a rapper... The fawk Canada think he is? And Tupac called himself a rapper, not MC... MC was used during the 80's and normally from NY cats... Pac died in '96? With Jay-Z substance, records, accomplishments, and revenue he is the GOAT... Em is Kobe and Wayne is LeBron... Pac is Russell and Biggie is Wilt... The end... I live it with a Pac quote, "Its just muuuuusic, hahaha"....
J.Cole to me is a very talented rapper, he has very strong material and he raps what most can relate to in some way or another with his songs. He can relate to just about any audience. He's pretty lyrical and he raps with precision. My thing with J. Cole, and I may get killed for it but its my opinion, I cannot listen to him for long periods of time because his delivery and cadence are kind of monotonous. I like all the lyrics to his songs, but I do not like the delivery all that much so I cannot get into his songs like a diehard fan, even though he definitely has the lyrics to get my attention. He has alot of potential thoiugh, he might be recognized as a legendary rapper, but I think he has to work on his "rap mechanics" to reach out to a broader audience. I think his delivery and flow are part of the reason he doesn't reach out to the mainstream audience as much as other rappers out there. He had no big radio single, even though he sold VERY well, and I think it has to with his somewhat monotonous flow.
Just my opinion.
someone said this on Twitter then I listened and it made a lot of sense... The issue with J. Cole is he doesn't write to the beat... A lot of the so-called "Lyrical" rappers don't do that and it shows... It sound as if he wrote it before he even touch the studio... He's dope but he is monotoned... Some of that is engineering too, sometimes I could barely hear him... Lloyd Banks is the PRIME F'ing EXAMPLE... He says dope ish but you can't hear one word...
kendrick lamar is the TRUTH!! better than j.cole for sure i think
man got nasty ass flow... and lyrics
that man been in my mp3 since november
I used to have J Cole and Wale neck and neck...but ever since MMG....its Cole world
I knew there would be some clown bringing up the Illuminati in this thread...and Jay Z aint no goat, it aint like in 98' MJ was deferring to Pippen the way Jay Z was deferring to Kanye on the Throne...
Lamar is 100X better than J Cole. J Cole's album was pretty bad to be honest.
hes wack as hell and so is all mainstream hip hop. new music flat out blows these days. Its all about 90s when it comes to rap. Theres a lot of good underground tracks as well