Thoughts on 2k11 Player Rankings
Compared to last year im pretty happy about these. I was so dissapointed with 2k10 when it first came out and after a week it became my favorite video game ever.....so these criticisms are probably not going to matter much in the actual gameplay
One thing that jumped out at me was Noah rated 73....Dudes a top 5 center in the league
Also, considering how height was a factor last year, how is Ray Allen rated lower than Kevin Garnett. Garnett played well in the finals but does anyone expect him to have a better year than Allen next year
Can you please post a link for the NBA 2K11 ratings?
One thing that jumped out at me was Noah rated 73....Dudes a top 5 center in the league
Howard, Bogut, Jefferson, Yao, Bynum, Kaman, R.Lopez and Marc Gasol are all better C's right now
You mean Brook Lopez not Robin Lopez right?
My bad. Brook Lopez.
Howard, Lopez, Bogut, Noah, Bynum in that order
How can you rank Yao when we have no idea what kind of contribution he can make if any at all....Marc Gasol is not better than him all around. Bynum doesnt impact a game as much as him
If everyone is healthy? Kaman, Bynum and Gasol are all better C's then Noah.
I get your point Knicks boy but remember that the Bulls arent even willing to trade Noah for Melo because Noah is the heart and soul of the Bulls team and he brings the passion and teamplay everynight. I know for a fact that the Lakers would trade Bynum for Noah. And Al Jefferson is not a center even tho I think he should be He don't wanna be so he dont count. Noah brings intangibles and defense, that you have to take into consideration.
With that Said I think the top 5 centers in the league when healthy are:
Yao (is better then dwight when healthy dont kid yourself)
Now considering that Yao's hurt Noah is arguably top 5 because he would be 6 on my list and M. Gasol would be 7. Bynum is injury prone and never put up all star numbers yet so I don't know where to put him but not top 5 unless this was a potential list.
By the End of the Year the list could look something like this:
Kamen got a new coach and Blake Griffin on the scene, Bogut is hurt again and the Bucks got a lot of front court depth. And Yao is the ultimate xfactor. And Cousins plays everygame likes he trying to beat his arch enemy.
Your way off. First off, The Lakers would NEVER trade Noah for Bynum. NEVER.
Howard is a better C then Yao when healthy. He the only player ever to have 3 seasons leading the NBA in blocks/rebounds the same year.
You admit right now Noah is not a top 5 C. Then you say by the end of the season: DeMarcus Cousins would be better then Bogut, Kaman and Gasol? Come on now!
lakers would ot trade a heathly bynum for noah...............and that talk that u just said about yao being better then howard is crazy.........cousins will not be better then kaman @ years end
After his subpar summer league performance I've got to admit I'm a little annoyed that Evan Turner is rated as a 76. Definitely an S-M-H moment.
After his summer league performance? You got to be joking right? He played 4 games a week after the draft playing off ball for the first time in like 2 years on a team with Jrue Holiday who was not only the MVP of that summer league but absolutely lights out. Had Jrue not of played Turners numbers would look extremely different because he would of played on ball more. Turner had some nice moments in the summer league putting up 12, 8, n6 in his first game. If you watched the games it was obvious his skill set translates to the NBA right now. Turner fell in love with his outside shot because if you watched the games what he can do is get his shot off anytime he wants. He got a crazy one handed cross and pulls up effortlessly. Not to mention he proved he can get rebounds in the League and his court vision is fantastic. I don't even need to go into his defense. You have to understand what Turner brings to the table, he can dribble, pass, shoot the midrange, defend and rebound. And by all accounts his basketball IQ is extremely high I thought Turner's overall would be close to a 79.
turner wont be better then jrue next year
And KnicksBoy the Yao Ming thing you maybe right but I look at it like this. Yao averaged over 22 points 3 straights years including one year averaging 25. I don't think DH will ever averaged 25. When Yao is on he will get your 23 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists, and 2 blocks a night. Howard is a better rebounder and defender but Howard can't even guard Yao. When the game is on the line the Rockets go to Yao Ming when he is on the court. DH never takes over games down the stretch. If you need two point Yao gets them for you DH don't thats why I feel like if he could stay healthy he is a better center. And thats a big IF because Yao also gets those numbers in like 30 minutes a game Howard plays 38. I think its 1a 1b Howard after thinking about his defensive presence ur right might be better but its close.
And yes after the All Star break when we look at Cousins, Boguts, Kamens, and Gasols numbers Cousins will be better. I really think Kamen is underrated and might be a top 3 or 4 center. He already is everything Lopez is trying to be is you think about it. And Marc Gasol is maxed out he's not getting much better. But what he is, is an extremely efficient and effective center. Gasol is a great passer and midrange shooter not to mention rebounder. He is underrated too. Bogut to me is overrated a tad. He has career numbers of 12.7 and 9 and 1.5 block. Cousins will average more then that as a rookie. And Bogut since his rookie year has only played over 70 games once. He's injury prone too. Had it not been for Jennings he would not of had the year he had last year which still wasn't amazing. 16, 10, and 2.5 blocks. I smell fluke. What Bogut does do well is pass, and play great on ball defense. The Bucks know he is injury prone tho so thats why they stacked up their frontcourt and drafted Larry Sanders. I think I would take Gasol and Kamen over Bogut. And I would take Cousins over all of them...this year!
And yes The Lakers would trade Bynum for Noah, Noah will win you championships, didn't even play in the first championship, and had no impact in last years championship. Noah would of been healthy and would of been a double double machine in those championships not to mention his heart. It would be an interesting forum tho but I promise most people would agree the Lakers would trade Bynum for Noah in a heatbeart.
The Lakers could get Chris Paul for Andew Bynum...why would they take Noah for him?
Also, Cousins isin't even the starter right now. Dalembert is. Also, Gasol and that crew will be averaging at least 16-8 next season. DeMarcus Cousins will not be averaging that much because A) He doesn't have NBA level post moves yet and B) He gets called for fouls alot shown in summer leauge and C) His footwork isin't ready yet which will result in turnovers.
Knicks boy go to youtube and search for Demarcus Cousins summer league highlights, or just read any scouting report, Cousins has better post moves then 90% of the centers in the league right now today. Not only that he is a better shooter then 80% of the centers today. He is such a good shooter and overall talent that the Kings have him listed as a power forward. From my understanding before the summer league they were going to start Landy/Thompson PF and Dalembert at Center. I didn't think Cousins was gonna start either but he is. He will start at power forward and Dalembert at center with Landy as the sixth man and Thompson gone in the next availible trade.
I'm tryna work with you here bud but you really need to do some research on Cousins before commenting on him. He is a better passer too, right now, then all them centers except Bogut and Gasol. And he will eventually be a better center. Cousins rookie averages will probably be around 27 minutes 14.5 points, 9 rebounds, and 2.5 assists. The guy is an absolute phenom and he is the best offensive center coming into the league since Yao hands down thats not even debatable. Not only will he eat you up in the post one on one because of his strength footwork and agility, but he will shoot over double teams with ease and find the open man. Look what he did to Minny in the summer league hit a hook shot over Pat O'Bryant to win the game after calling for the ball because he knew that he couldn't be stopped.
And llperez I think you're right but I don't know because Holiday is going to become a true pass first point guard this year and Collins is going to instill a slashing offense featuring Turner and Iggy running thru screen and getting to the hole so Turner will put up better numbers most likely. Holiday won't take the shots Turner is going to get to have better numbers.
mr 19134, there is an article on the front page of this site about holiday and collins says he is thrilled to have holiday and even suggests that turner might come off the bench becasue he doesnt fit with holiday as well as he does with lou williams. Doug collins also adds that holiday will be a top 5 pg in the league next year and everyone needs to watch out for him. If the head coach is saying these things, thats a sign that holiday is better. Not to mention that holiday looked far better in summer league.
Do you believe J Holiday is a top 5 pg at an point in his career?
THS GUY REALLY LOVES COUSINS HUH.......THEY WAY U HAVE HIM LOCKED DOWN TO BE SUCH A DOMINATE PLAYER ...HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A NO BRAINER @ #1 PICK............IF WE LISTEN TO YOU...........WE WILL SEE THO BUT IM NOT TO SOLD ON COUSINS......FOR NOW LETS SEE WAT HE DOES BEFORE WE START SAYING HE HAS BETTER MOVES THEN SUM ESTABLISHED NBA CENTERS.........
Turner shouldnt be rated a 76 based on the summer league but from what he did in college definitly.
Jrue is a much better player than Turner at this point in their careers, so i dont see how hes only a 70.
no way is jrue top 5 right now. But i was just pointing out how his coach made that statement since i was discussing whether he should be ahead of turner right now or not. The coach is gonna have as much insite on that opinion as anyone.
Yao Ming healthy and Dwight is a sticky thing to say because they plkay the same position but are completely different player however i have to go with Yao i read an article on slam and it showed in head to head matchups Yao averaged 23 and 10 but Howard only had 12 and 10 and the Rockets were 7-2 in head to head matchups
i think Durant war rated at 91, behind players like Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Chris Paul, and Deron Williams...smh
Where's the link?
i loled hard at that
llperez way to ruin my night I'm still fuming over the Sixers passing on Cousins to add to their already solid core of wingmen and the opportunity to have the PG and the C position locked down for the next decade. But training camp didn't even start yet and Collins also said when he first got to Philly that he believes Iggy is one of the best all around small forwards in the league. So with Holiday as the point guard, Iggy at 3, they got to start somebody worthwhile at the 2 guard spot. I know not only know Rod Thorn heard Collins say the same things, but Thorn is a genius for trading away Willie Green the only other play on our roster that would be a quality shooting guard. Collins will have too much pressure on him to start Turner, the same way Reid had to start Vick over Kolb. Philly fans will get violent if we took the most "NBA Ready" player in the draft with the 2nd pick to fill a whole at shooting guard and he don't start.
And I said from the beginning that Cousins should of been the second pick I even have a Thread titled "Cousins A Steal At The 2nd Pick!"
And JAYTH!JY John Caliprari even said that if a team needs a big man instead of a guard, after the Wizards won the pick, he don't understand why they wouldn't take Cousins over Wall. John Cal knows what he's talking about because he coached and recruiting Cousins. Cousins should of been the no brainer second pick and if he had more friendly and professional personality the Wiz would of considered him. The Kings should thank Eddy Curry for being the reason Cousins fell to 5.
Oneal thanks for them statistics I was gonna mention it but couldn't find the exact numbers I just remember Yao dominating Dwight every time they play each other.
@mr 19134, im not intending to take anything away from turner. I just think holiday was overlooked ont hese rankings and i brought up the collins comments from the articel to back my point about holiday being better then turner next year. As for turner, i think he has a very bright future, but i was a little concerned with how in summer league he had to really press to take guys off the dribble and get to the rim. When your jumper is suspect and your off the dribble game is your strength, then you need to make it look easy like you can get wherever you want on summer league comp. Im very confident he will become a very good player, Im just not sure that he and holiday really fit all that well. Let me ask you as an unbiased sixer fan, you have to let one of those guys walk right now, who do you keep?
I keep Holiday...Thats why as a Sixers fan I had the weirdest feeling when we were one of the final 3 during the lottery and Jrue is standing up there like If we get the first pick I might be leaving town...Jrue Holiday reminds me of Gary Payton because of his skill set and defensive hustle...He was the youngest player in the league last year and locked down a lot of veteran guards towards the end of the season...And I read on ESPN before the draft that if a team is not drafting Evan Turner to be their point guard they might be disapointed. The worse part about the whole article was Collins saying Evan don't have that go to scoring mentality...I wanted to scream because that is exactly what the Sixers need. They need that man. They need that guy to go too when they need a bucket and Turner did that at Ohio State, and Iguodola is just not consistent enough on offense to be that guy. I was hoping Turner would come in and take that role upon himself. I hate hearing that he wants to set his teammates up because the Sixers need him to be selfish. And Jrue Holiday does have the potential to be a top 5 point guard in the East. I watched him get the better of Jennings last year and he is a better shooter right now then Rondo may ever be.