Terrence Jones Underrated
I think that Jones has pretty much every skill that Barnes has except even some more. I am a real big Barnes fan as UNC is always my favorite team, but I've been a huge fan of this Kentucky team this year as well. Thad Young isn't really too similar to Terrence Jones besides that they are both athletic and play the 3/4. The thing is with Thad Young, he doesn't have the perimeter skills for the 3, and doesn't have the size for the 4, thus leaving him as a tweener. It is different when you have the size to play the PF, but play the small forward because you have tremendous versatility. Thad Young measured in at 6'5 and 3/4 and 210 pounds. So that is a 6'7 210 player. Jones is 6'9 and 250-255. That is DEFINITELY not an undersized PF. To call him a tweener is crazy. He can play both positions, but he is by no means a tweener. If any comparison would be fair I guess it would be Derrick Williams, although Jones is way better defensively. I mean I don't want to say that Barnes is overhyped because I've been a HUGE fan for a while, but he has disappointed me slightly. He didn't improve over the offseason as much as I would have wanted. That being said, I still see him easily as a top 5 pick and am not saying Jones is better than him, because I think Barnes skills will translate well to the league, but I think they are about the same. I have Davis first, MKG second, and then I have Drummond, Jones, and Barnes tied for my third prospect. I know it is not a popular pick, but it is one I will hold true to and believe. I love Kidd-Gilchrist as well, even more than Jones, it just seems like sometimes there are biases that fans subconsiously believe. Like I see all the time how people say that Kidd-Gilchrist never drifts out of games, but Jones does all the time. This is simply not true. I see many games where Kidd-Gilchrist will pretty much drift out of the game and see him end a half with 2 points or even 0. The reality is EVERY young prospect not names Anthony Davis has games where they drift out of. But to claim Jones drifts out all the time and MKG never does is complete bogus, because I watched EVERY SINGLE Kentucky game all year long thoroughly and I will tell you that MKG and Terrence Jones have been equal in this department and pretty much equal overall, MKG getting the advantage being a year younger.
I disagree with the MKG and Jones being equal as far as play hard. Dont too many people in the country play as hard as MKG, he may take a half off here and there, but Jones does it quite more frequently than MKG and I have seen all of Kentucky games as well. I do agree that Jones is not a tweener, he does have good size for a powerful forward in the league. Most of the power forwards in the league or around 6'8 to 6'10 anyway. Jones is ok though, I see him as a solid role player, nothing more. He does have a solid set of skills, but thats what he will be on the next level, SOLID.
Athletically, he just isn't in MKG's league, and MKG gets more points in transition and off cuts to the hoop. Jones is too slow to effectively defend the 3 or handle the ball as a wing.
I see Jones as a 4, and he just has some severe weaknesses in his game that prevent him from being in Barnes' class as a prospect. He has below-average size for an NBA 4, he isn't an elite athlete, he has an inconsistent shot, and his lack of a right hand limits his post scoring ability. In my mind, he has to really improve overall or become elite as an iso scorer in order to become a starter in the NBA.
I don't love Barnes, but he already can come in and contribute to an NBA team. His style of play translates well for him finding a role in the NBA. Jones has a mediocre b-ball iq and plays with inconsistent effort, limiting his ability to get instant playing time in the NBA.
@B-ball fan : "He has below-average size for an NBA 4"
So being 6'9 , +250 pounds and having a 7'2 wingspang is "below average size for the 4"????????/
People see someone with a lot of skills but without one that stands above the rest... Whereas with barnes you know that he can get his shot off and has a strong offensive game... you know that he is a guy who can carry your offense for stretchs and could be a 20ppg scorer in the future...thats why Barnes is ranked higher...
I like Jones a lot and I think he has been underrated all year, but when you evaluate him, you are left looking for what his key skill is going to be... personally I think it is going to be defense on threes and fours... his offense is good; he can pass, shoot, drive, and post up, but I dont think it will ever be good enough to carry an offense like Barnes' will... For him to maximize he succcess, I think he is going to need to get better at recognizing and exploiting the mismatch that he will face each night. Put him on a team with a good guard and big man and he is going to be a great compliment.
The big problem for Jones is that teams mostly draft for positional need instead of talent (opposite of the nfl) and he is a hybrid. Additionally, a lot of teams are leary of hybrid 4s because they either have one already, or just got rid of one...I think Jones would be much higher if teams drafted just on talent alone...If he drops out of the lottery like thissite predicts, I would not be suprised if a contender makes a trade for him
In the past 2 games Harrison Barnes played without Marshall to get him the ball,in the spots to be successful...He showed why he might struggle in the nba,if he doesnt play with a past 1st point guard...He was basically a jump shooter....And everyone remembers how he was a disappointment until Marshall was inserted in the lineup...This weekend's performance might drop him from 2 or 3 to maybe as low as 6 or 7....Depending on who comes out....
because Terrance Jones has the ball handling, passing and shooting acumen necessary to play the 3 in the league. The question with him and Barnes is can they defend the 3 on the perimeter because they are bigger 3's upperbody wise. I think T Jones will go early because his size is legit and wil measure well at pre dreft camps and workouts. He is at least 2 inches taller than Sullinger no matter what people say. He is still a tweener because he is a cat ( if I knew how to embed video, there would be one of that Coastal Carolina Football Coach) and MKG is a dog. Notice the difference in the way men like MKG, Quincy Acy and Dion Waitors carry themselves, that has to count as intangilbes. It's the difference between Russel Westbrookand D Rose and a guy having fun like Wall. T J seems emotionally immature and some what of a pu$$y. So is Lamar Odom and he was a coveted prize and highly above average player in the league for a long time, so it doesnt matter. He and PJ3 fall in that catorgory and but with those skill sets combined with measurables they wont fall as far as many expect. I don't believe TJ will be able to drive and finish hiself in the league though because he wont put his shoulder down and drive hard like MKG. Did you see his face after that hard foul in the beginning of the game, he looked b!tch slapped. MKG drove the basket hard on contested fast breaks more than a few times and finished, Jones would have looked to dump it off or slowed down and set thinks up. But I think he has been underrated, imagine how much better he is then Tobias Harris.
I agree. I think if he comes out (which he may not with his stock around 15-20) he can start in the NBA at SF as a player that averages about 12-ppg, 6-rpg, and 3-apg. He is a very underated passer and ballhandler. Kentucky has an offense that really depends on its PG, and not too many isolation plays. In the NBA with a shot first PG I think Terrence Jones becomes a very valueable asset.
He has below-average size for an NBA 4, he isn't an elite athlete, -BBallfan
Are you kidding me? I just told you how he is not below average size. He has great strength and average height so that makes him atleast average in size. And he isn't an elite athlete? Are you freaking kidding me. He makes more highlight plays then Davis. He gets more dunks than just about anyone in the country.
Jones needs to be able to handle the ball better. im not saying he is a poor ball handler, but he needs more advanced one on one moves. Barnes is not a amazing ball handler but his abilty to score 1on1 is his calling card like they said above. Imagine Jones with Royce Whites handle hes a Lamar Odom With a mean streak.
has legitimate size to be a 4. But so does Vladamir Radmonovic. He decided to only be a shooter, just ask European Baller he once could drive and dish also. But sometimes guys just settle in yhe league and only become shooters. I hope he doesnt I love his skill set. He has crazy handles, has Bob Ball seen those highschool allstar games. But he may be a head case, royce White is a G, but he is literally a head case too, had to drive to tourney games because planes freak him out. Much like Odom Jones reminds me of a guy every coach will feel he is not getting enough from no matter how well he plays. It has probably been that way his whole life, when grown up caught all the kids doing something bad they looked at him like you should have known better, becaus he was tall. Its like a D end in football when you get a bunch of sacks rookie season. They say you should beef up and defend run better then you lose a step because you gained 15 pounds of muscle then they say your not the pass rusher they thought who were and need to regain rookie form. Cant win for losing.
I'm not a psychologist, I just play one on a basketball site were its okay if people just make sh!t up.
yes ive seen his high school stuff ive also watched alot of UK this year and last. He has faced up alot and beat his man woth quickness and strength. Not many times since hes been at UK has he isolated or been isolated and broken his man down of the dribble. Cant judge him by his high school highlights look at all the things Drummond did in hs and how many didnt transfer to college. so saying he dribbled well in hs is not really a great point when he hasent done it well in college
mostly because I was talking about his ball handling on the fast break and in traffic and he does lack break down a defender one on one. IDK is he has the heart for that type of one on one game but alot of guys dont and hold there own in the league. I am not saying he will at all but his ceiling is Rudy Gay.
Play as hard as MKG???? Ummmm no. MKG is on the rare level of Tyler Hansboro and A.Craft. Jones does play hard most of the time but he's no MKG
if Jones becomes Rudy Gay id be really happy. Gay should have been an allstar this year reaching that level would be great. i completly agree about how he gets to the rim in the open court. example the amazing crossover and dunk in Maui his freshman yr wish i knew how to embed the video it was nasty
I think this site rated Terrence Jones way too low. He should be a lottery pick (if the teams are smart enough to recognize his talent).
I think his biggest weakness would be his mental part where he could not stay focus and always play hard. When he is focus and determine, he is a very good player.
I would actually consider taking him over Harrison Barnes. I loved Barnes last year, but looking at him this year, he didn't seem to improve one bit. He doesn't look impressive at all even in highlights. To me, Barnes at best is a 3rd option type of player, could develop into a starter, but not good enough to be considered a building block.
Terrence Jones on the other hand could develop into an allstar if he has his head right and focus on playing the game. He could be a 2nd option type of guy.
i like him as a defensive presence where he will excel imo. he will be able to check PFs and up there i read that he wont be able to keep up with SFs in the nba which i have to disagree with. he has the lateral quickness and quick feet to keep up with a lot of SFs in the league.
All this "he doesn't play hard enough" talk must die. he plays very hard on every possession and all the credit goes to calipari who gets in his ear EVERY time he does something bad, he tries to get every rebound, always got his body on some1 for the boxout, reads every open lane with his ability to finish and comes up strong from the weak side.
main problem: he doesn't have ANY handles to play sf, he's right there on anthony davis' level. and not only does he not display handles HE LOOKS NERVOUS when dribbling the ball. another thing is that he doesn't have any shot off the dribble and is extremely hesitant to shoot even with his feet set (he's stroke isn't ugly which helps but still)
terrrence jone aka jamal mashburn 2.0
This whole headcase thing is getting blown out of wack. It is one thing to be a headcase when you are disrupting your team. But to have more emotion than others and sometimes let that get the best of you because you care SOOO MUCH about winning the game is not nesecarilly a bad thing in my opinion. I know scouts think it is and they will say the same things they said and still say about DeMarcus Cousins about Jones and he will go undervalued like Cousins was and still is, but at the end of the day that doesn't change my opinion this kid should be a top 5 pick.
"this whole headcase thing is getting blown out of whack"
he is a little headcase and weird BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO with his fire to play. he's like ron artest-wack or kevin garnett-wack... he takes stuff very serious... after that indiana game and pinky finger injury i haven't seen anything but fire and hustle from the dude!!! matter fact, i see him as an energy player!!!
I like your topic post. It goes against the norm and you just don't follow and agree with the mock on here which has him going at 18. You give valid points and explain your reason. I wish more posts on here where as good as that...
He has played well lately and i think he can go a bit higher than 18 on here, especially if kentucky win the championship... If he measures 6"9 will def help his cause. He is strong and a good defender. Not sure if he might squeeze into the lottery but each to their own opinion. I would take him at 13 to 17
Jones, like a lot of guys not projected to go top 5, is going to need a system to develop him. I doubt he's ever a star, or, in all likelihood a starter, but he can be an excellent first big off the bench at the forward slots thanks to the matchup nightmares he creates.