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yeah, I actually thought Nash should'nt have won either of those mvp's. But I do think he should have won it the year they gave it to Dirk, but there was no way they were gonna give nash 3 in a row when he probably did'nt deserve the first 2.

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that's not fair Yup-Yup.....

that's not fair Yup-Yup..... were a re examing T-mac's WHOLE CAREER

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nahhh

my man compare them at there fullest potentil their best seasons

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It is definitely fair, I am

It is definitely fair, I am arguing his career in his prime (the part you deny was great) which I just proved to you was better number wise then Carter.

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Mark Aguirre......thats all

Mark Aguirre......thats all i gotta say

Also, Can someone name me another superstar who will be traded in his contract year?

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shaq

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Mark Aguirre has nothing to

Mark Aguirre has nothing to do with McGrady, so that holds no weight.

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got me there...but Shaq has

got me there...but Shaq has rings

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Mark Aguirre's career is who

Mark Aguirre's career is who T-mac's career is looking like

and Shaq's team never got better when he was hurt...

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Again "Shaq's team never got

Again "Shaq's team never got better when he was hurt..." has nothing to do with his prime. Which is what this argument is about.

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no its not, i said McGrady

no its not, i said McGrady is the most overrated player in the past 15-20 years.

McGrady is this Era's Mark Aguirre. Shaq's team never got better

Also, A Fake #1 option could be Antwan Jamsion. He had good numbers in GS but was not a good #1 option on a good team.

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I don't think thats a fair assessment. You pointed out yourself that the Magic got the number one pick after Mcgrady left. If the rockets come out and go 10-0 to start the season next year are we going to say they are better off without yao and mcgrady? When they won 11 games in a row 2 years ago without yao we didnt say that yao should immediately be traded because he is no help to this team. Fact is mcgrady brings a unique skill set to houston that no one can match, yao as well. i think if mcgrady was as expendable as you are suggesting he would have been traded already. He is just waiting to come back and prove all his doubters wrong.

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why is there career

why is there career alike?..in what way?..is it just because of the scoring because if thats the case i can name a couple of guys who are or will be in the hall of fame or have there jerseys retired whos careers (scoreing) is similar

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The only thing similar about

The only thing similar about Aguirre and McGrady's career numbers are points. The Rebounds are semi close but the assists and steals aren't plus Aguirre was a bit more turnover prone.

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Well knicksboy, Carter is

Well knicksboy, Carter is more overrated then McGrady so there you go. You are wrong.

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Pierce, Nowizki, Webber (who

Pierce, Nowizki, Webber (who couldn't stay on the court) and Allen over McGrady really? You don't know much about him i assume, he isn't Ben Gordon, he doesn't give up 30 to his man that often and he was signed in Orlando to be a defensive stopper until Hill got hurt so obviously he was interested in defense at one point.

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I would take a Healthy

I would take a Healthy Webber over a Healthy McGrady.

YupYup- you said it right, he was interested in defense....at one point

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this convo

has probably ran it's course. Knicksboy does'nt think as highly of mcgrady as some others do. Sort of like banging your head into a wall at this point to continue to argue over it.

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When did he play defensive

When did he play defensive in Tronto he was known for dunking and scoring (he was signed to be a scorer).... McGrady was never really an ironman himself... Dude always gets lit up people never noticed cause he was dropping 30 or 40 points... Grant Hill was injured was always hurt... McGrady and defensive thats a joke...

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llperez22 now you wanna

llperez22

now you wanna quit? because someone agrees with me? you can go

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Knicksboy you would take a

Knicksboy you would take a healthy Nene over him too, probably a healthy Larry Hughes too. That doesn't mean you are right, especially since you are far from it.

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Give me some evidence of him getting dropped 30 and 40 on, a few dozen times a season as you are suggesting and then maybe I will take your opinion seriously.

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are you sure I can go?

Thanks

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he wasnt considered a

he wasnt considered a defense of stopper but he was never by no means as bad as a defender as you say so im not sure where you are getting that from he played average defense not great nor was it bad...i used to follow mcgrady, watching most of his games so youre not gonna convince me he was such a bad defender nor that he was overrated in his prime ...and name all these times he gave up 30-40..i can think of a couple which comes out to the same average as most of the best shooting guards that have played

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youre must have not seen

youre must have not seen Webber play.....

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Knicksboy seeing as you are

Knicksboy seeing as you are so young I think it would be you who had never seen him play. Webber was a great great player but McGrady is his prime was a HOF player.

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both in there prime mcgrady

both in there prime mcgrady was better..yeah i didnt know he was so young i can understand now

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Let me restate that, in

Let me restate that, in their primes they were both HOF players, but McGrady gets the slight edge in my book. Plus they weren't good at the same period of time unless you count his first season in Orlando.

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no he was not. McGrady is

no he was not. McGrady is Mark Aguirre 2.0 thats it.

Webber was one of a kind. He had a couple of issues in his career ( butting head with Don Nelson and microfrature surgery) and his number were still pretty good.

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I am not knocking Webber as

I am not knocking Webber as a player, he was fantastic. McGrady was better in his prime though, it's really not that hard to understand. He is nothing like Aguirre except scoring wise too, so yeah bad argument.

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both in there prime mcgrady

both in there prime mcgrady was better..yeah i didnt know he was so young i can understand now

what does my age have to do with anything?

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He means to say that he

He means to say that he understands why you are belittling McGrady, because you didn't see him in his prime.

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webber wasnt one of a

webber wasnt one of a kind..he was a good player but far from one of a kind...he MIGHT go to the hall of fame..if he was a one of a kind he would have had at least one mvp a couple first team all nbas and be a first ballot hall of famer..sorry his stats and what he did is far from one of a kind...that was a pretty funny joke though

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OK. Lets end this...I saw

OK. Lets end this...I saw McGrady in his prime. his prime was 2001 to 2006

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So you are judging him by

So you are judging him by what you remember of him as an eight yeard old until you were 13? That is a tough way to judge someone.

On another note, how was the podcast? I never really heard what happened with it?

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I didnt do the Podcast yet,

I didnt do the Podcast yet, there never msg me yet...i hope they still do.

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Oh okay.

Oh okay.

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yea man, they havent

yea man, they havent recorded another show yet...so i dunno yet

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Anyway, T-Mac > Carter,

Anyway, T-Mac > Carter, Webber. Hands dwon.

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LOL

LOL

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Gotta find a new topic to

Gotta find a new topic to argue about!

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Yea...we'll find one.

Yea...we'll find one.

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Hmmm how do you feel about

Hmmm how do you feel about Greg Oden and Durant? Or Amare or Rose?

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Mcradys underrated. even

Mcradys underrated. even though he struggles in the playoffs he could be amazing if it wasnt for injuries.

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You just earned my respect.

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Oden- Bust Durant- Skinnier

Oden- Bust
Durant- Skinnier James Worthy
Amare- Slightly Overrated
Rose- Top 5 pg

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Well other then Amare (even

Well other then Amare (even though you are right) we agree on those.

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dont call Oden a bust if he

dont call Oden a bust if he was Playing with the Thunder hed at least get 15pts 10rebs a game, hed get that this season if didnt keep getting in foul trouble.

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To a point, but im getting

To a point, but im getting nervous...he has got injured alot...

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too early to call him a bust. And I don't see many similarities in Durant and Worthy other then they were both skinny forwards. Worthy was a poor shooter past 18 feet, and he liked to attack the rim. He had some nice spin moves around the basket. Durant will probably hit more threes next season then worthy had during his entire career.

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