T-mac
Thank you guys for this topic...his time in Orlando he was easily the best scorer in the league, he took double and triple teams and still led the league in scoring back to back seasons, when they would play the Lakers he would light Kobe up, but his teams never had an answer for big men which is why he never won a series, but to even take those Orlando teams to the playoffs was an accomplishment in itself...having Mike Miller as a sidekick was the best it ever got for him, and that's not good renough, if he would've been paired with a good big at that time, even in Indiana with O'Neal before his knees broke down, his team would've went far!!!
Dont ever put Kobe and T-mac in the same &$#%#&@! sentence again lets take a look at the stats:
(Kobe) T-mac
Second round App: (10) 0
Ring count: (4) Zero
MVP honors: (1 ) 0
50+ games: ( 25) 4
40+ games: (93) 45
Triple doubles: (14) 4
Career Pts avg: ( 25.1) 22.1
Career FG avg: (45.5%) 43.3%
Etc...
Stop comparing Kobe to this &$#%#&@! washed up bum Kobe is the closest thing to Mike but still far from it
The reason why tmac's numbers are lower than Kobe's are because of all of his injuries. When tmac was in his prime he was consistently beat down with double and triple teams which would later result in his injuries because he had no one to help him. Kobe for most of his career has had someone to back him up if he needed it so he never had to carry the heavy burden like tmac did when he was in Orlando. You have to realize that when you're a deadly scorer like tmac on a bad team then you'll have to create for your team consistently which means you're the only one that can attack the basket. Nowadays when ever an NBA defense sees a guy like tmac attack the basket they gotta crack him down! Like Charles Barkley said, "You gotta put 'em on there @$$."
Was one of tha greatest number one options in tha game, he jus never had tha supporting cast to get over tha hump.. i think if he goes to someone like tha nets who almost have no talent on their roster, he could revive his career. Also getting traded to tha Rockets didnt help his career either
how is getting traded to a team with no talent going to revive his career when he is not winning on a team with no supporting cast now? Yea he was great as a 30ppg scorer in Orlando but they still never won anything. I would rather see him go to a team where he can win or better yet just get healthy with the rockets.
plus the nets are just dumping salary for 2010 and would probably have to give up at least 1 or 2 good young players, Courtney Lee, Brook Lopez, maybe CDR, along with a proven vet and a draft pick. Benefits the rockets for young cheap talent but it hurts the nets to rent a guy for 1 season when they have no shot at a championship.
well. I agree. Kobe never made it past round 1 by himself but i think if you put Kobe on Orlando and move T-mac to another team, Kobe would be more sucessful by himself
Also, the west when Kobe was by himself was Super tougher then when T-mac was in the east
TMac is very overrated.... His career shooting percentage (from 2s and 3s) is terrible, he plays below average defense, and he doesnt rebound like he should.... The only reason he was scored so much cause he shoots alot and plays NOOO defense...
The West just got the power shift a few years ago Knicksboy, the East had it before. The West only really had the Spurs, Sacramento and like Dallas, the East had the Nets, Pistons, Pacers (Bucks were pretty good too) and Philly. When McGrady was in Orlando the east and west were pretty even and I don't believe Kobe would have done much more the Magic then McGrady did, if at all.
I don't really watch All Star games and they don't matter so I won't bring that up (I wasn't going to anyway). From 2000-2004 I just looked it up, you are right the west was a bit stronger. That doesn't mean McGrady had an easy time, since he was the only option on his team and he was constantly doubled and tripled. If he played on the Lakers with Shaq and Kobe played on Orlando, the Lakers still would have won those 3 titles and probably more because McGrady wouldn't have forced Shaq out and Orlando would have been about the same as well. T-mac was as good as any player in the NBA in Orlando.
k first of all mcgrady in his prime was very very good..he was a notch blow kobe but still a superstar..one of the top 5-10 players easily...billy that comment you made cant be serious...the reason he scored so much is because he shot alot?..really...for one he scored so much because he was so good at it and no one could check him...as far as shooting alot ummm i think you have to shoot and make alot to score...you dont just magically score alot unless you shoot nothing but free throws
I understand McGrady was good in Orlando but he would score 30 and give up 30.... What seperates great scores are some play defense and some dont McGrady was never intrested in defensive...He was a great scorer but he wasnt very efficent (he made scoring look good because he made hard shots look easy).... My thing is McGrady is a poor defensive player, doesnt rebound, and the only reason he scored soo much was because he was the ONLY option... You think if Orlando was a championship contending he would have led the league in scoring 02-04.... I just saying McGrady is overrated.... as far as top 5-10 players, I would have taken Kobe, Shaq, Pierce, Nowitzki, Garnett, Webber, Duncan, Kidd, RayAllen, Iverson over McGrady in the early 2000's.... Remember its just my opinion.
not trying to call you out, but you did admit to being 16 and most of your exposure to a prime TMac was through news articles and video clips, right? Well for those of us who watched him play, the dude was hands down a top 10 player for a number of years. There were probably 2-3 years where he was top 5. He was versatile and as explosive a scorer as there was in the game. It's easy to hate on him now, but he was great. Not too many players in the history of this game could win a series all by themselves. When he was in Orlando, GHill was injured and TMac never had that great second option. Since he got to Houston, he has had injuries and has not been the same player.
what do i have against T-mac? No Offense but I dont think he's special. I think he is a good player, not a great one who for a 4 year stretch average amazing numbers. I mean we saw players do this in the past (Bernard King, Mark Aguirre) so im not surprised there's one this decade.
Carter was purely a scorer, McGrady did it all, his only weaknesses were defensive effort and shot selection. Carter just is a super athlete who has a solid jump shot but did very little else until now because his career is winding down. He decent all around but not at Tracy's level. Tracy McGrady was WAY better then Vince Carter in both their primes, it isn't even close.
YupYup- your crazy. Carter was WAYYYYY Better from T-mac im looking at the number now and there are not that far off. I think Carter was "The Next Jordan" but he got unhappy with Toronto and let that effect him.
Carter's Career Numbers- 23.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 4.3 apg
McGrady's Career Numbers- 22.1 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 4.7 apg
not too far off, I would take Carter though, i think Carter was overall better and he was more of a leader.
A true Number 1....there is no defination. But there are fake ones. There are 30 teams in the NBA, so there are technically 30 "#1 options"
Duncan was a Franchise Changer from Day One. There is a reason why he is a 4-time Title Winner and a 2-time MVP. He led his team in every title they won. Period. He made it eaiser for his teammates.
I don't think people are trying to get you to say Tmac was better then Duncan, at least I hope not. But like you said, Duncan was a 2 time mvp, so is'nt it possible that TMac was not better then Duncan, but still a top 5 player and a legit number one option during his best days?
Okay, 1. McGrady came out of high school and grew in as a player so he would obviously have bad numbers in the beginning. plus the last 3 years he has been hurt he hasn't put up numbers near what he did in Orlando if you want to compare their stats do it by their best 4 seasons. They aren't as close. Plus Carter can't pass, rebound or defend like McGrayd could. Vince isn't even close, at all.
Carter-26.5 ppg 5.9 rpg 4.85 apg
McGrady-28.15 ppg 7.1 rpg 5.9 apg (Way Better)
Knicksboy to continue our coversation.
McGrady was a great number 1 option in his prime, he just had no supporting cast, less then the one Iverson had, yes that bad. So you always say he is so overrated but Kobe didn't win in the playoffs without Shaq or Phil. In fact he missed the playoffs, he didn't do anything more then McGrady without help (Pau, Bynum or Shaq, Phil). So stay consistent with your argument and apply it to all, not just T-Mac.