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Syracuse coach Bernie Fine Accused of Molestation

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/Syracuse-coach-Bernie-Fine-accused-of-molestation-police-say-111711

Police said Thursday that they are investigating an allegation that Syracuse University basketball assistant coach Bernie Fine molested a team ball boy for more than a decade. Later in the evening, ESPN reported that a second former ball boy, and relative of the first alleged victim, has come forward with similar allegations against Fine.

The allegations cover a period from the 1980s to the 1990s, according to a statement from the university in upstate New York.

Syracuse has placed Fine on administrative leave "in light of the new allegations and the Syracuse City Police investigation."

The alleged victim, 39-year-old Bobby Davis, told ESPN the abuse began in 1983 before he entered seventh grade. He was the team's ball boy for six years from 1984. The second complainant, 45-year-old Mike Lang, told ESPN Fine molested him when Lang was in fifth or sixth grade. Lang, according to ESPN, is Davis’ stepbrother.

Fine has served as an assistant coach at the school for 35 years.

Police told CNY Central the investigation is in its very early stages. As the day wore on, additional details surfaced on the nature of the allegations and Davis’ relationship with Fine, and longtime Syracuse head coach Jim Boeheim released a statement in support of Fine:

''This matter was fully investigated by the University in 2005 and it was determined that the allegations were unfounded. I have known Bernie Fine for more than 40 years. I have never seen or witnessed anything to suggest that he would [have] been involved in any of the activities alleged. Had I seen or suspected anything, I would have taken action. Bernie has my full support.''

On Thursday, ESPN aired an interview with Davis.

"It took me a long time to come out and say something," Davis said. "And I just kept thinking about if he's doing this to little kids — I got to say something. I can't live with myself my whole life knowing that it's going on if I never said anything and he's still doing it.”

According to ESPN’s story, Davis originally reported the abuse to Syracuse police in 2003, but claimed that a detective told him that the statute of limitations had run out and that if Davis knew of boys being molested by Fine at the time, that Syracuse police would investigate those allegations. Davis told ESPN that he told the detective that he thought other boys were being molested but that he had only direct knowledge of Fine molesting him.

According to reports, the Syracuse police chief at the time was Dennis DuVal, a former Syracuse basketball player. DuVal, who retired in 2004, could not be reached for comment by ESPN. He played at Syracuse from 1971 to 1974, while Boeheim was an assistant.

The Post-Standard in Syracuse contacted Onondaga County District Attorney William J. Fitzpatrick, who was first sworn in to his position in 1992. Fitzpatrick told the Post-Standard that he spoke with current police chief Frank Fowler on Thursday night and stated, "There wasn't anything said [by Fowler to Fitzpatrick] about some investigation [currently] going on."

In addition, Fitzpatrick told the Post-Standard that he had no recollection of this matter being brought to his attention previously and that he would not suspect a police investigation into something dating back to the 1980s because the statute of limitations had passed.

According to the New York Penal Code, there is no statute of limitations “for prosecuting first-degree rape, first-degree criminal sexual act, or first-degree course of sexual conduct against a child,” but the statute of limitations “for other sexual offenses committed against a child under age 18 is five years after the victim reaches age 18, or the offense is reported to a law enforcement agency or statewide central register of child abuse and maltreatment, whichever is earlier.”

Late Thursday night, Boeheim told ESPN, "Why wouldn't [Davis] come to the police [first this time]? Why would he go to ESPN? What are people looking for here? I believe they are looking for money. I believe they saw what happened at Penn State and they are using ESPN to get money. That is what I believe. You want to put that on the air? Put that on the air."

Penn State is in the midst of a child sex-abuse scandal stemming from a grand jury report which had claims made by eight separate people that then-Penn State assistant Jerry Sandusky sexually abused them as minors. Sandusky has subsequently been arrested and released and faces 40 charges relating to the allegations.

Several officials at Penn State, including president Graham Spanier, athletic director Mike Curley and head coach Joe Paterno have also lost their jobs in the wake of the Sandusky story.

ESPN originally interviewed Davis in 2003 but claimed it did not run the story because the story could not be confirmed by a second source. That changed when Lang made his allegations.

The Post-Standard also interviewed Davis in 2003 and also held the story for the same reason. According to the Post-Standard, Davis went with the Syracuse basketball team on road trips and stayed in Fine’s room. Among the road trips was one to Hawaii. Davis also told the Post-Standard that Fine touched Davis’ penis on numerous occasions when Davis was both a minor and an adult.

According to the report, Davis said the sexual contact happened in many places, including Fine’s homes, his office at Syracuse, a fraternity house, a basketball camp and numerous hotels.

Davis, according to the Post-Standard, claims he broke off contact with Fine in 2001 after Fine grabbed him by the neck for failure to repay a $5,000 loan, which Davis reportedly admitted to the paper he never repaid.

However, the Post-Standard also reported that in 2003 it interviewed a “handful of other men who Davis said had spent a lot of time at the Fines’ house as children and who Davis suggested might have been molested by Fine. All of these men, including a close relative of Davis, denied Fine had sexual contact with them.”

In a statement, the university's Senior Vice President for Public Affairs Kevin Quinn said:

“In 2005, Syracuse University was contacted by an adult male who told us that he had reported to the Syracuse City Police that he had been subjected to inappropriate contact by an associate men’s basketball coach. The alleged activity took place in the 1980s and 1990s. We were informed by the complainant that the Syracuse City Police had declined to pursue the matter because the statute of limitations had expired."

The statement continued:

"Syracuse University takes any allegation of this sort extremely seriously and has zero tolerance for abuse of any kind. If any evidence or corroboration of the allegations had surfaced, we would have terminated the associated coach and reported it to the police immediately.

"We understand that the Syracuse City Police has now reopened the case, and Syracuse University will cooperate fully. We are steadfastly committed ensuring that SU remains a safe place for every member of our campus community."


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Maybe I just dont get it, but

Maybe I just dont get it, but I never believe these allegations. I choose to assume that it is all just not true. I choose to believe no man would be sick enough to molest a little boy. How the heck is it that its alway a little boy too? Ive never heard of a little girl being caught n this situation its always on the news as a little boy. Also it does not sound like an easy task to keep it in the dark, to satisfy yourself wouldnt it be alot easier to do it consensually with a woman? Jim Bohiem is not stupid, for him to defend his assistant coach like that and automatically condemn himself in the face of the media shows me he is extremely confident his assistant was not involved in these acts. No proof will be found, decisions will be split, and Fine will always be known as the Assistant coach who "might have" molested two ball boys.

The media is programming your response against Syracuse's program and Coach Fine. They want money. Tell a-Vision-Programming. They say it, you see it, you believe it. Listen, read and see with discretion.

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Funny how we never heard

Funny how we never heard about these things but now that Penn St blew up another story comes out. I hope its not true but I don't want to hear about another story like this. It is depressing. I watch ESPN to get away from the normal everyday stories that are sickening. Now they are coming over here. I just want to know about the teams and how they did the night before. Its like the games are secondary now. Let's talk about the recent scandal or conference realignment. BLAH.

Anyway, like I said, I hope it isn't true. I think the country is already more aware of child abuse. I just hope we can get back to actual sports again soon.

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Between 50 and 60 percent of

Between 50 and 60 percent of all child molestations are committed by homosexuals.

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OhCanada, Im as down with

OhCanada,

Im as down with you on the media constantly manipulating and controlling the public's mind but I think this may be different. I'm thinking teams/organizations/institutions are seeing how PSUs fallout is affecting far more than Sandusky. I think the PSU incident caused leaders to notice that if they do not report these events to the proper authorities, those with knowledge of the act are liable for expulsion from the program.

Personally, I think had the PSU events not gone down, no one would have put these allegations against Fine, b/c they probably didn't want to snitch on a man with that much influence on the program as he could have affected their chances at promotion or future job prospects. Now that they know that if they don't report him, the public is going to call for their heads as well, now it seems much better to choose to report these monsters to avoid getting caught up in the situation later when people call them out for being a coward.

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You look like a homosexual with that picture up its creepy

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This is just the continued

This is just the continued trend that allows predators and rapists to continue to act. Predators prey on the weak, dependent and those who they think won't do anything or have too much to lose. I don't know anything about Fine's situation, but the response to this article on this forum just drives down the point.

You guys are naive if you can't wrap your head around how sick the world is and what kind of predators are out there. Millions of little girls are abducted and sold into sex slavery every year and they are forgottten, not just molested, but sold as slaves who's sole purpose is to be a prostitute. All pedophiles are not gay and I'd be curious to see where you got that "Between 50 to 60 percent" figure.

Have you ever heard the defense "Well, she was asking for it because she was wearing a short skirt." or "Well he just made that up because he was mad at his teacher." Every other crime in America you are innocent until proven guilty, but victims of sex crimes are put on trial and villified. How many rape trials dig up the entire sexual history of a woman? Who cares if she slept with 15 guys, that doesn't make her want to be raped. I'm glad that isn't the case in the Penn State trial, but this Fine thing seems like an old story, something that has been investigated 8 years ago and it never went anywhere. Again, I don't know whether Fine is guilty or innocent, but we have to start treating alleged victims as victims and not people trying to get something from someone or trying to bring down someone powerful. It's often power that makes people think they can get away with things in the first place, so why is it so hard to think that people in power are perfect and everyone is trying to tarnish their image?

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I agree with the whole

I agree with the whole innocent until proven guilty JoeWolf, I am not villifying Fine yet. But did u see that interview on CBS i think it was, where Sandusky was talking via phone and his lawyer (who porked an 18 yr old woman i believe and had a kid himself with her when he was much older, not illegal but probably not the guy you want as your defense in this case) was sitting on the other end next to the interviewer. Where Sandusky states, he showered with boys, horsed around with them, and touched their legs. The raping act was as he recalled, a boy sliding across the floor into him. Im just not buying it from Sandusky.

As for Fine Ill wait and see for more details.

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Oh, yeah, I think Sundusky is

Oh, yeah, I think Sundusky is a creep for sure. I think the evidence against him is way more than could be made up and the Grand Jury testimony (under which McQueary was under oath) said he saw Jerry Sandusky raping a 10 year old is enough to make him guilty in my eyes (but then again I'm not the US Judicial system).

My whole point is that it seems as if and is, in a lot of cases, the alleged victim who is put under trial. Their character is questioned, if Fine is innocent and proven so in a court of law he isn't going to be known as the guy who might have molested two boys. Kobe Bryant isn't known as the guy who might have butt raped a woman in Colorado. We might as well take these allegations seriously until we find out more. If they're bogus they are bogus, but I'm not worried about Fine's reputation until I read more about what may have happened.

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+1 JoeWolf... I agree, and I

+1 JoeWolf...

I agree, and I hope for Fine's sake, as for now I don't know much behind these allegations so I'll save my verdict on him for later, but I hope the general public doesn't just go into this case with a closed mind b/c of what has happened in the Sandusky case and the timing of the 2. If he is innocent, then this timing could not have been worse b/c the public now has a fire lit under them to condem sexual predators.

People need to look at this case in a whole nother light. 2 completely seperate cases. Don't let what occurs with Sandusky's case affect Fine's until and if both are proven guilty. Then we can use Sandusky's case to compare the two and lay down the ideal punishment. As for Sandusky, and I am almost certain he's guilty, I hope they send him to jail for life. I'd love to see him gone from the face of the Earth, but I think the treatment he'd recieve in jail would be more just. If he ever gets out, he'll be eligible for a job at Olive Garden, as he will be a pro at tossin salad and handling meat.

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why would you wait almost 20

why would you wait almost 20 years later to come out? oh yea because of the whole Penn State thing...

ive never been molested or anything like that, but if i ever was, you better believe im saying somethng to someone RIGHT AWAY...let alone 20 years later...to me you lose all credibility after waiting that long (im not saying it didnt happen, and if it did, i feel sorry for the victim/s)

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Watch the interviews with the

Watch the interviews with the 2 supposed vicitms. They sound like they are making up all the details on the fly. It's just dumb. I agree, because of the Penn State thing people think they can cash in now. The thing was investigated 6 years ago and nothing was found, but now they bring it back up with some new victim (who didn't come forward ever before).

Maybe I just don't want to believe because I bleed orange, but all the details here are very shaky.

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This is a rage topic if I've ever read one.

Edit: Read JoeWolf and M-DYMES posts, calmed down a bit.

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Statue of Limitations

If Fine is guilty, the statue of limitations has already passed. In my opinion, there are way to many holes in the story for this to be true.

  • "His mom (Davis & Lang) even showed a hole in his story. He said he traveled with the team to the 87 finals, while his mom said he never flew anywhere. So unless the team drove to new orleans, it would appear as if they are lieing." (It's also pretty hard to drive from Syracuse to Hawaii for a Maui tournament too.)
  • Lang allegedly was molested when Bernie Fine was 48, and while he was 27. Now in most cases of child molestation, the person isn't 27. While it could happen, I find it hard to believe that a prime 27 year old would allow an aging Bernie Fine to do the alleged acts to him.
  • Davis and Lang are stepbrothers. Davis came out back in 2003 about allegedly being molested by Bernie Fine. Those allegations were put to rest back then. My question is, why would Lang not act back in 2003 when his step brother also came out? Normally when a person is accused of molestation, multiple people come out within a few days or weeks. And yet his own brother did not have the courage to? I find that hard to believe
  • The interviews conducted by ESPN for both Davis and Lang seemed suspicious. I don't know if any of you saw them, but they really seemed like they were making it up as they went a long. A lot of hesitant pauses and a few "aah's" and "ummm's." They didn't seem like they were prepared with their facts.
  • Money. It seems as if they were doing this for media attention and money. They see what happened at Penn State with Sandusky. They thought they could try to get some money out of Cuse easily since they worked there and preivously accused Fine of the charges. Now was the perfect time to act to blow this into a huge controversy. There was even a lawyer I spoke to who expected a rise in false claims to be made against coaches after the Sandusky incident.

There are many more holes in the story, but here are just a few.

While I hope this didn't happen, I also don't see how it could have.

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I understand that this would

I understand that this would be horrible if true and I take this seriously... Not trying to be funny at all, BUT how in the hell can a 27 year old grown man be... molested?

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It's not that simple. Often times children are groomed at a young age into becoming easily submissive to their attackers. It started when he was in middle school, and continued for 15 years.

An outsider might say, "Well by that time he was old enough to fight back and he didn't, so he probably wanted it." That doesn't take into account the psychological damage that comes with kids who are victimized.

Think about Jaycee Dugard, the girl who was kidnapped for 18 years. She was victimized at 11 and by the time she was old enough to fight back or simply get away, so much damage was already done both mentally and physically that she didn't even bother.

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I don't think anybody would claim that getting molested is not demoralizing. Victims feel ashamed and embarrassed, (wouldn't you?). Sometimes they feel like it was their own fault. Those demons don't just go away when you reach a certain age.

Pedophiles often attack children because they are submissive. They know, and even get off on the fact that they are in control. Children can be manipulated into silence with fear. Sad, but true.

Everything culminates into a very poor mental well-being which allows attackers to continue to take advantage of these victims into their adult years.

So it's easy to for somebody who hasn't been through all that to say, "I find it hard to believe that a prime 27 year old would allow an aging Bernie Fine to do the alleged acts to him." or "how in the hell can a 27 year old grown man be... molested?" or "ive never been molested or anything like that, but if i ever was, you better believe im saying somethng to someone RIGHT AWAY" but none of you are really being fair.

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"Ive never heard of a little girl being caught n this situation its always on the news as a little boy."

You've never heard of a little girl being molested? You've never heard of a little girl being molested by a coach? I hear about teachers molesting female students all the time. Do you live under a rock?

"Also it does not sound like an easy task to keep it in the dark, to satisfy yourself wouldnt it be alot easier to do it consensually with a woman?"

Really? You're trying to bring logic into molestation cases? It's a shame everybody hasn't considered this or there would be absolutely no molestation, right? Ugh. And why just "a woman"? How about "another adult"? If we're going for your pedophile-free utopia, can't we modernize it a little bit so more people can be happy?

"Between 50 and 60 percent of all child molestations are committed by homosexuals."

This is the stupidest thing I've heard here since sheltwon said that we shouldn't give any gay people rights or all perverts would start wanting special rights. Maybe you two bigots could hook up with each other. It's a homophobic match made in heaven!

The amount of ignorance, insensitivity and sheer stupidity funneled into this topic by some of you guys is very disappointing. I expect better things from this forum and society in general.

#rage

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@butidonthavemoney... your

@butidonthavemoney...

your talking like Fine is already guilty...we dont have all the facts yet, and there are plenty of holes in this story already

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Where did I say that I thought Fine was guilty?

You're just being insensitive. It's comments like you made above that keeps victims of rape afraid of coming forward. I know a girl who was victimized when she was very young, but she never went to the police. I'm close to her now, so she told me everything when she had a mental breakdown a while back. I asked why she doesn't do something about it now to get justice, and she responded "It was so long ago and nobody will believe me."

Where did she get that attitude? From &$#%#&@! who claim that a victim loses all credibility if they don't report the rape or molestation right away...

Sickening.

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Nomoney is right

Even if there are holes in the story or it doesn't seem right, you can't just discredit the alleged victims because it came out years later. That attitude, like no money said, is a large part of the reason molesters and rapists can get away with such horrible crimes. Fine may be innocent, but none of us were there so we don't know for sure.

There was a story I heard the other day, in which a 78 year old State representative came forth with her story of sexual abuse and told why victims like her don't come forth. Here is a link, this isn't as in depth as the original radio interview, but if you read her story or find a better link. I feels it does a great job of painting the picture as to why many victims dont come forth. Varying from, my grandpa would shoot him and goto jail to, what would my mother think ( because it was her step dad).

My girlfriend has her masters in clinical social work and we have had conversations in the past about such matters because she has worked with victims in the past. For those of us who have not been abused, it's easy to say "Well i'd just kick his ass, or I'd tell the cops." or want to immediately doubt the accuser, but it's just a huge disservice to those who have been abused.

http://articles.philly.com/2011-11-16/news/30405985_1_child-abuse-bishop...

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The first comment I stand by... I dont live in the states so I only hear something like this when it is all over the media. Like Church related, Micheal Jackson, and Sports. Sorry if its ignorant its just that I dont hunt down media stories for molestations. Whenever I have read a comment like this it is always related to a young male, it is an observation.

"Also it does not sound like an easy task to keep it in the dark, to satisfy yourself wouldnt it be alot easier to do it consensually with a woman?"

Really? You're trying to bring logic into molestation cases? It's a shame everybody hasn't considered this or there would be absolutely no molestation, right? Ugh. And why just "a woman"? How about "another adult"? If we're going for your pedophile-free utopia, can't we modernize it a little bit so more people can be happy?

I thnk you are misunderstanding my statement. All I was saying is for Fine to be performing these acts for such a long period of time it would be hard to go unnoticed, and also unreported. Also with Bohiem having his back like that it defies my rational to believe molestation was going on in one of college basketballs most prestigous organizations from top to bottom. Also sorry to say but yes just a woman. I do not believe an openly gay man can be assistant coach of Syracuse by any means. Being assistant coach means more than just coaching, it also means being the face of the "Orange Nation". Syracuse fans as a whole would either be divided by having a gay coach or the majority would hate it.

Molestation and child abuse is extremely serious and nothing to mock. It just defies everything that is normal for me and I choose to avoid all negativity in life as I can especially since I am in no position to help defeat this cause. Whatever fuse blew inside of each molester's mind seems to turn them into a monster driven by incomprhendable needs. Thats why each of these cases need to be investigated and perceived with extreme sensitivity. From the facts that have been presented so far the Fine situation seems to be a tactic for the ballboys to earn some coin.

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"Also sorry to say but yes just a woman. I do not believe an openly gay man can be assistant coach of Syracuse by any means. Being assistant coach means more than just coaching, it also means being the face of the "Orange Nation"."

This is contributing to the problem.

This attitude is often the trigger for child molestation. When you put people in a position where they have to choose between their sexuality and their career, they sometimes find a loop-hole. Instead of pursuing a a consensual relationship with an adult, they can rape kids and keep them quiet.

Now, thanks to people who want to keep the "faces" of their teams straight, people like Jerry Sandusky can have both their career and sexuality.

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Listen if you are going to correct the way people are psychologically programmed do it the right way. No need to be an arse about it. I just stated the fact that the majority of Syracuse's fans would not want a gay Assistant Coach. I am not saying that is right by any means that is just how it works, now if you really want to change it go ahead but once again do it right not by spazzing out on a forum.

So now thanks to me telling the truth people get molested? I am not contributing to shiit. I live in the real world were I work 10 hour shifts 7 days a week. My main concern is not to contribute to molestations but more like trying to eat, sleep, and live comfortably.

Read what you wrote there. You twisted my comment completely into something it wasnt. All I said is an openly gay man would not be publicly accepted by Syracuse fans and you turned it into me promoting a certain sexual orientation and promoting molestation. Obviously you cannot discuss this topic rationally do to the fact that you are emotionally inclined to the topic through rage and despair. But maybe you just need to vent, if so take it all out on me pal I can be your e-punching bag.

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At least Rick Welts had the courage to stand up against attitudes like that instead of living a lie. He chose to publicly come out of the closet (as the president of the Suns, now the Warriors) instead of ruining the lives of innocent children.

I would much rather read about somebody like Welts in the news than somebody like Sandusky (and anybody who wouldn't is an enemy of mine). That's why I fully endorse prominent figures in the sports community to come out if they are gay. Not everybody will support them, but enough people will.

Why wouldn't Syracuse support a gay coach? The bloody state supports gay marriage.

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You cannot make statements like the ones you made (especially about a topic this sensitive) and expect not to piss off a few people. I've always respected you on this site and have never been the kind of person who cherry-picks somebody to blame just to unfairly unleash my wrath on them.

In my opinion, several things you said were not very well-thought out. Your vision of the Syracuse fan base seems a bit naive to me, and even if it's true, it's primitive and depressing. I never meant to imply that you support child molestation, just that your ideas (or observations or whatever) reflect a poor sociological attitude that sometimes drives gay men into a position where they have to look for what they want in places that have severe collateral damage.

I crossed a line, and apologize for pointing a finger at you. I made it clear in several posts prior to this that I was very upset by all of the child molestation accusations (I even used the term "rage" twice). I took the liberty of toning down what I originally said to you.

I still disagree with your stance (or whatever) wholeheartedly, and hope that coaches in the future don't see things the same way.

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While I obviously did not think out what I wrote and made ignorant statements which I do apologize for. I honestly wouldnt mind having a gay coach, teammate, owner, manager or whatever position although unfortunately the way our society is right now there is no way that would be accepted by Syracuse Nation. They would not get the recruits they want, they would lose fanbase, and they would undoubtedly lose profit. Now that is a horrible buisness move, so it wont happen. I dont support gay marriage but I dont negate it either. People are people, my motto is just to let everyone be and judge people on the content of their character and actions only. Now can I change the minds of the world...no, can to I change the minds of a continent...no, how about my workplace...no. Only thing I can do is influence each persons opinion and allow them to change themselves. Attempting to change through force creates a stronger fight towards someones opinion, but to psychologically influence and hope change will come is a much better way to provide change.

I also completely agree with you. Only way for a gay Assistant Coach to ever be accepted is for it to initially be denied. Someone would have to bite the bullet and initially take one for the team for the greater cause. But right now it is not accepted and wont be anytime soon.

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This is why you cannot

This is why you cannot immediately discredit an alleged victim because you have a hunch. The phone conversation with Lorie Fine is incredibly incriminating.

I bet Boeheim wishes he could take back his "thousand lies" comments. It really made him look bad.

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These accusers are too old to

These accusers are too old to be trying to tell on Bernie Fine that they got molested. As far as Im concerned, they are just gay now. How can you be 12 and get molested, and then wait until you're 39 AFTER the Sandusky incident to tell? Sounds real lame to me. After 27 years, you have to charge something like that to the game. I don't condone child molestation, but why come out so late with it? Why is it timed right after the Penn State scandal? It's just a big mess to me.

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nobody cares if your

nobody cares if your gay....just dont molest little boys...i dont wanna hear about Fine or Sandusky's "sexuality" because they are just sexual predators...i feel bad for these victims but im standing by my earlier statements, and agreeing with JNIXON...why wait so long? and why come out right after Penn State...and even worse, in 2005 when Cuse conducted an investigation, this kid didnt even provide the recorded phone call...but now all of a sudden you wanna come out??? all i can think of is $$$...i feel bad for the kid but why did he live in his basement then? just leave dude...victims afraid of telling anyone are wrong, people DO listen obviously...

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and @JoeWolf... i guess you

and @JoeWolf...

i guess you didnt hear Jim's latest statements, because he did apologize for those earlier comments...the victim even said he felt so much better about the way Jim handled himself after jumping to those conclusions.

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J-Nixon, So if kids get

J-Nixon, So if kids get molested and don't report right away they are just consiered gay when they say something as adults?

I'm just curious to see if this phone call was around in 2005 and got swept under the rug. My point just was that you can't dismiss a charge because you don't understand it.

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"J-Nixon, So if kids get

"J-Nixon, So if kids get molested and don't report right away they are just consiered gay when they say something as adults?"

Yes. Your gay after 25+ years of not telling. You obviously didn't see it as a huge problem, or you like something about it, to come and tell more than 25 years later. When I was 12 years old I knew that men shouldn't touch me, I knew that it was gay if they tried. I knew that I would tell if they did try it cause it's disgusting. This isn't a 3 year old. He's telling now? When he was 39? This man is literally old enough to legally run for President, and he's talking about getting molested when he was 12 years old. And then he decides to tell after what's happened at Penn State. I don't see why you waited so long.

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Hahaha

Children get attacked by molesters and persecuted by idiots on the Internet if they don't report it right away. The system works.

Some people don't understand the psychological damage done to the victim of molestation, which is fine. Just shut the hell up. You're making yourselves look stupid.

"I don't understand some of the details of this case, so I'm keeping an open mind about Fine's guilt."

That works a lot better than half of the posts in this topic.

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What cuseflynn10

What cuseflynn10 said.

Moreover, Bernie Fine's wife who is accusing her husband of molesting the boy HAD AN AFFAIR WITH THE ALLEGED VICTIM.

What a twisted story.

And seriously, how does a 27 year-old let an old geezer play with his weiner?

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Well..... I'm sure as hell

Well..... I'm sure as hell aint sending my son to basketball or football camp anymore.

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"And seriously, how does a 27

"And seriously, how does a 27 year-old let an old geezer play with his weiner?"

This isn't supposed to be a funny situation and this made me laugh only to feel awful afterwards.

Seriously though... This is one sad situation. All of these people need mental help.

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The accuser has strange

The accuser has strange mannerisms like a drug addict. If he actually was abused and isn't making this up, then my heart goes out to him. Otherwise, this whole thing is despicable. Well, I suppose it's despicable either way.

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