[HaleParticipant]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6150136

In Denver, our hearts are as black as Johnny Cash’s closet, our eyes mere lumps of coal. We are the emptiest thing fans can be: an NBA city without an NBA superstar.

 

 

Don’t laugh. You could be next.

 

This is what the NBA has become: very tall, very rich twenty-somethings running the league from the backs of limos, colluding so that the best players gang up on the worst. To hell with the Denvers, the Clevelands, the Torontos. If you aren’t a city with a direct flight to Paris, we’re leaving. Go rot.

 

There’s no rule against it, so they do it. Ray Allen and Paul Pierce beg Kevin Garnett to please come to Boston. LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh connive to play in Miami. At his wedding in New York City this past July, Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire and Chris Paul toasted to all three playing in New York someday. Stoudemire switched this past summer. Anthony was traded there Monday. And Paul is set to enter free agency next season, bags already packed.

 

Great for Spike Lee. Sucks for the game.

 

"The question is, will the fans support players whose egos are bigger than the game?" asks Denver Nuggets coach George Karl, who suddenly finds himself coaching a locker room full of nobodies. "Will the fans support all these players and agents manipulating things? Because if they don’t, if the switch [by fans] is abrupt enough, the league could be at a crisis point."

 

Hello, David Stern? Did you leave a wake-up call for the 21st century? Your clubs need to be able to protect their great players with a franchise tag, as the NFL does. If that isn’t priority No. 1 in your lockout talks, you need the Wite-Out.

 

“

The question is, will the fans support players whose egos are bigger than the game?

” — Denver Nuggets coach George Karl

 

 

Anthony stuck it to Denver because he could. Teams are powerless against it. He got the city he wanted, the teammates he wanted and the money he wanted, and he got it before the lockout. It’s good to be king.

 

The only power Denver had was to yank Melo’s chain.

 

"Carmelo," Nuggets general manager Masai Ujiri said Monday night, "you’ve been traded …"

Melo held his breath on the other end of the line.

"… to the Nigerian national team."

 

Question: When all the Denvers and Memphises and Sacramentos fold because all their stars leave, whom are these SuperFriends teams going to beat? Baylor? A strong league is strong throughout, not just at the top. In other words, how will you get them to care in China, Mr. Stern, when they don’t in Portland?

 

"The whole foundation of this massive thing called pro sports is the fan," Karl said. "You got to make the fan happy."

We are not happy in Denver. Here’s why:

1. What we’re left with: We gave up a surefire Hall of Famer, who is only 26, for four New York Knicks starters. This is like acquiring the four best mountain climbers in Nebraska. Among Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari and Timofey Mozgov (who, I believe, doesn’t even exist), not one is in the top 35 in scoring or rebounding.

 

2. The utter, sickening irony of it: Anthony insisted the most important thing to him was not (A) getting his starlet wife, LaLa Vasquez, to Broadway, nor (B) dunking with his friends, nor (C) cranking up his Q rating on Madison Avenue. No, he said his main priority was (D) "playing for a champion."

 

Why New York, then?

 

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AP Photo/Barry GutierrezDenver Nuggets fans are making their best attempt to look on the bright side since losing their star, Carmelo Anthony, to the Knicks.

 

Stoudemire and Anthony will go together like peanut butter and microscopes. Stoudemire is a pick-and-roller. Anthony never picks and rolls. Stoudemire likes the ball in the same spots Anthony likes it. Knicks coach Mike D’Antoni lives to run. Anthony likes to set up on the wing, freeze it, look it over, freeze it some more and then unleash some weapon from his incredible one-on-one offensive arsenal. It works plenty, but Stoudemire is not going to enjoy standing there and watching it.

 

Remind me: How did it go with Anthony and Allen Iverson sharing one ball?

 

"If [Anthony would] have stayed with us, he’d have had a much better chance of winning a championship," Nuggets president Josh Kroenke said. He’s right.

 

If Anthony had really wanted to play for a champion, he should’ve stayed put. The Nuggets had two big contracts expiring (kneeless Kenyon Martin‘s and brainless J.R. Smith‘s), which would have allowed them to sign the fresh-legged big man and the shooter they needed.

 

Prediction: Anthony will never get closer to winning an NBA title than he did in Denver.

 

3. The lousy thing all this does to Chauncey Billups — our native son: Billups was sucked into the vortex of a trade he wanted no part of. He deserved to end his basketball career in Denver, where it began. Instead, at age 34, he’s being fitted for a Knicks jersey and wondering how he tells his three little girls.

Thanks for the ride, Karl texted him when news of the megatrade hit. You’re one of the best winners I ever coached.

He didn’t mention texting Anthony.

 

4. The grinding unfairness of it all: The NBA used to work on a turn system. You will lose, but if you hang in there, you’ll be rewarded with a very high draft pick like an Anthony, and your turn at glory will arrive.

Not anymore. The superstars are in charge now. Now, you lose and you get a pick, and that pick immediately starts texting his pals to see where they’ll all wind up in three years. Pretty soon, you’re back losing again.

 

Get ready, Oklahoma City.

 

You wonder why the NFL continues to pull away from the NBA in this country? Three words: Green Bay Packers. Two more: Indianapolis Colts. The NFL finds a way to let cities that don’t happen to have a Versace store hang on to their great players like, oh, say, Peyton Manning.

"Melo was a big part of our team, but he wasn’t irreplaceable," Karl said. "I think we’re still going to make the playoffs, and I think we’re going to be good when we get there."

 

Now why on Earth would he think that?

 

"Because I believe in my guys," Karl said.

I’m sure he does.

 

And soon he’ll meet them.

[TyroberParticipant]

 I am not sure why it says get ready Oklahoma City. Durant just signed a 5 year extension and Westbrook has said he wants to remain in OKC. OKC is a rare franchise with very humble and talented players. The future is very bright and I dont see Kevin Durant demanding a trade do you?

[TyroberParticipant]

 I am not sure why it says get ready Oklahoma City. Durant just signed a 5 year extension and Westbrook has said he wants to remain in OKC. OKC is a rare franchise with very humble and talented players. The future is very bright and I dont see Kevin Durant demanding a trade do you?

[HaleParticipant]

Yeah I didn’t agree with that one so much. But I thought the article was really interesting. Plus he name dropped the Packers haha.

[HaleParticipant]

Yeah I didn’t agree with that one so much. But I thought the article was really interesting. Plus he name dropped the Packers haha.

[sheltwon3Participant]

No to a franchise tag and just like Okc reloaded from moving Ray Allen and letting Lewis go to Orlando, Denver who have multiple picks and young talent should have no trouble.  Cleveland is hurting though but Denver still is pretty good.  They have a legit big man, 2 young point guards.  They have a scorer at 2 and a defensive player at 2.  They have a possibly Dirk lite or Dirk part 2.  They will have cap space.  They also have a young big man that they could keep or trade.  Denver only needs one position right now and they have a bunch or picks to get that player.  Some people are over dramatic.

[sheltwon3Participant]

No to a franchise tag and just like Okc reloaded from moving Ray Allen and letting Lewis go to Orlando, Denver who have multiple picks and young talent should have no trouble.  Cleveland is hurting though but Denver still is pretty good.  They have a legit big man, 2 young point guards.  They have a scorer at 2 and a defensive player at 2.  They have a possibly Dirk lite or Dirk part 2.  They will have cap space.  They also have a young big man that they could keep or trade.  Denver only needs one position right now and they have a bunch or picks to get that player.  Some people are over dramatic.

[OldSkoolBasketballParticipant]

Root for Kobe, Durant, and Rose. Eff the superteams.

[OldSkoolBasketballParticipant]

Root for Kobe, Durant, and Rose. Eff the superteams.

[HaleParticipant]

Yeah I’m not really a fan of the Superteams at all.

[HaleParticipant]

Yeah I’m not really a fan of the Superteams at all.

[RICO 1981Participant]

did you consider bulls of the 90’s a super team, or the lakers of the 80’s a superteam? 

[RICO 1981Participant]

did you consider bulls of the 90’s a super team, or the lakers of the 80’s a superteam? 

[HaleParticipant]

Is that referring to me? I wasn’t really old enough to know much about basketball but I wouldn’t really call them superteams. I’ll break down the differences.

Heat-Traded for best player in the NBA (James), also trade for a top 15 player (Bosh). Already had top 3 player (Wade). They were sign and trades right? Maybe I’m wrong there. Either way they were established as great players before joining Miami.

Knicks-Signed Amare to huge contract traded good chunk of the team for Melo. Both established as great players who joined up in NY.

80’s Lakers-Now I might be wrong but they traded for Kareem before they got Magic right? They also drafted Magic and Worthy. So they just got lucky and got two #1 picks. Kareem was established.

90’s Bulls-Jordan was drafted, Pippen was traded for before he was a star. Rodman they added but he wasn’t leading any teams in his career.

 

[HaleParticipant]

Is that referring to me? I wasn’t really old enough to know much about basketball but I wouldn’t really call them superteams. I’ll break down the differences.

Heat-Traded for best player in the NBA (James), also trade for a top 15 player (Bosh). Already had top 3 player (Wade). They were sign and trades right? Maybe I’m wrong there. Either way they were established as great players before joining Miami.

Knicks-Signed Amare to huge contract traded good chunk of the team for Melo. Both established as great players who joined up in NY.

80’s Lakers-Now I might be wrong but they traded for Kareem before they got Magic right? They also drafted Magic and Worthy. So they just got lucky and got two #1 picks. Kareem was established.

90’s Bulls-Jordan was drafted, Pippen was traded for before he was a star. Rodman they added but he wasn’t leading any teams in his career.

 

[RICO 1981Participant]

so its not about the players on the team, more about how they got to the team, I got ya. 

[RICO 1981Participant]

so its not about the players on the team, more about how they got to the team, I got ya. 

[HaleParticipant]

That’s the way I view it. Maybe I’m in the minority there, I don’t know how many people agree with me.

[HaleParticipant]

That’s the way I view it. Maybe I’m in the minority there, I don’t know how many people agree with me.

[RickyRubio9Participant]

 I think he means Durant can force his way out of OKC at any time if he really wanted to…
I doubt he will, but it’s a possibility.
Hedo got out pretty quick after that big contract.
I agree though, Superteams suck!

[RickyRubio9Participant]

 I think he means Durant can force his way out of OKC at any time if he really wanted to…
I doubt he will, but it’s a possibility.
Hedo got out pretty quick after that big contract.
I agree though, Superteams suck!

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

"This is what the NBA has become"

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This is what the NBA has been for many years. Wilt demanding a trade to the Lakers. Kareem demanding a trade to the Lakers or Knicks. Shaq leaving Orlando to go to LA as a free agent…this isn’t something new or something that will destroy the game

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

"This is what the NBA has become"

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This is what the NBA has been for many years. Wilt demanding a trade to the Lakers. Kareem demanding a trade to the Lakers or Knicks. Shaq leaving Orlando to go to LA as a free agent…this isn’t something new or something that will destroy the game

[The lake show2]

I could care less and most people really couldnt either , i saw this because those same people will still watch basketball. They will complain and moan and Bit#h but in the end they will continue to watch basketball. I have no problem with players wanting to do this because the owners want to do this as well ( the one’s that can get the stars) this is life and life isn’t always fair, there will always be winners and losers in these deals. Like the owners of the Yankees said " If you don’t wanna hear peopel complain about players playing in small markets then don’t put teams in the small market". Stop trying to expand when there isn’t enough superstars to go around. We don’t need as many teams as we have

[The lake show2]

I could care less and most people really couldnt either , i saw this because those same people will still watch basketball. They will complain and moan and Bit#h but in the end they will continue to watch basketball. I have no problem with players wanting to do this because the owners want to do this as well ( the one’s that can get the stars) this is life and life isn’t always fair, there will always be winners and losers in these deals. Like the owners of the Yankees said " If you don’t wanna hear peopel complain about players playing in small markets then don’t put teams in the small market". Stop trying to expand when there isn’t enough superstars to go around. We don’t need as many teams as we have

[RickyRubio9Participant]

 Has so many small market teams lost so much in such a short time period though??

The Nuggets and Cavs were looked at as Title Contenders.

Phoenix was on the brink of their 1st Finals Appearance since the 90’s as were the Utah Jazz.

Toronto had some hope of becoming a playoff team.

[RickyRubio9Participant]

 Has so many small market teams lost so much in such a short time period though??

The Nuggets and Cavs were looked at as Title Contenders.

Phoenix was on the brink of their 1st Finals Appearance since the 90’s as were the Utah Jazz.

Toronto had some hope of becoming a playoff team.

[The lake show2]

Exactly this is nothing new

MJ forced out a Coach before winning a title

[The lake show2]

Exactly this is nothing new

MJ forced out a Coach before winning a title

[GlenTaylorSucksParticipant]

There’s no loyalty to teams anymore. The last great loyalty I saw (and subsequently vanished) was Kevin Garnett here in MN. And he didn’t even exit poorly- he respectfully asked to be traded, and all the fans in MN just wanted to see him win rather than play for a dumbass owner and GM.

I can’t believe it, but I’m actually siding with the owners on something. I think something needs to be done to protect small market teams from losing their top talents because some superstars want to play together in the big stage.

AAU ball is partly to blame; kids growing up now are so accustomed to choosing their own teams and playing with friends that they think they’re entitled to do that their whole lives. Agents are partly to blame, for pushing these super teams to come together so they can get a piece of the money. Owners are to blame as well for allowing the teams in huge cities (Miami, Boston, New York/Brooklyn/NJ, LA) to throw the most money possible at these guys, luxury tax be damned.

I dunno…something’s screwed up here, and it’s gonna take a lot more than a new labor deal to fix it. I just hope I can still hope that Kevin Love will stay with MN, even though I know he’ll probably want to leave to play somewhere better.

[GlenTaylorSucksParticipant]

There’s no loyalty to teams anymore. The last great loyalty I saw (and subsequently vanished) was Kevin Garnett here in MN. And he didn’t even exit poorly- he respectfully asked to be traded, and all the fans in MN just wanted to see him win rather than play for a dumbass owner and GM.

I can’t believe it, but I’m actually siding with the owners on something. I think something needs to be done to protect small market teams from losing their top talents because some superstars want to play together in the big stage.

AAU ball is partly to blame; kids growing up now are so accustomed to choosing their own teams and playing with friends that they think they’re entitled to do that their whole lives. Agents are partly to blame, for pushing these super teams to come together so they can get a piece of the money. Owners are to blame as well for allowing the teams in huge cities (Miami, Boston, New York/Brooklyn/NJ, LA) to throw the most money possible at these guys, luxury tax be damned.

I dunno…something’s screwed up here, and it’s gonna take a lot more than a new labor deal to fix it. I just hope I can still hope that Kevin Love will stay with MN, even though I know he’ll probably want to leave to play somewhere better.

[JoeWolf1]

 I like how this is seemed to be a new thing in pro basketball.  Look at how many hall of famers have played on the same team in the past.  Those guys are just off the top of my head too

Jordan and Pippen/  Magic, Kareem, Worthy / Bird, McHale, Parish / Russell, Havlicek, Sam Jones

Stockton and Malone / Shaq and Kobe / The Big O and Kareem / Moses Malone and Dr. J

Olajuwon and Drexler/ Jerry West and Wilt/ Duncan and David Robinson

Kidd and Dirk are both active HOF players and the Big 3 in Boston are all sure ins.  These young guys teaming up is good for the league.  New guys step up, get drafted and be all Kevin Durant and sign an extension with no media coverage to play in Oklahoma for the rest of his prime.  It’s tough in a small market, it always has been, but it’s not the stars fault for wanting to play for a winner, and now after the Lebron mayhem this summer guys know what "not" to do as far as leading their teams on.

Sure it sucks to be Cleveland this year, but it sucked to be Chicago in 98-99 , Detriot has tanked after their 04 team got disbanded a couple years later.  When a superstar leaves there is a rebuilding phase, it’s not the end of the world it’s been going on for years.

[JoeWolf1]

 I like how this is seemed to be a new thing in pro basketball.  Look at how many hall of famers have played on the same team in the past.  Those guys are just off the top of my head too

Jordan and Pippen/  Magic, Kareem, Worthy / Bird, McHale, Parish / Russell, Havlicek, Sam Jones

Stockton and Malone / Shaq and Kobe / The Big O and Kareem / Moses Malone and Dr. J

Olajuwon and Drexler/ Jerry West and Wilt/ Duncan and David Robinson

Kidd and Dirk are both active HOF players and the Big 3 in Boston are all sure ins.  These young guys teaming up is good for the league.  New guys step up, get drafted and be all Kevin Durant and sign an extension with no media coverage to play in Oklahoma for the rest of his prime.  It’s tough in a small market, it always has been, but it’s not the stars fault for wanting to play for a winner, and now after the Lebron mayhem this summer guys know what "not" to do as far as leading their teams on.

Sure it sucks to be Cleveland this year, but it sucked to be Chicago in 98-99 , Detriot has tanked after their 04 team got disbanded a couple years later.  When a superstar leaves there is a rebuilding phase, it’s not the end of the world it’s been going on for years.

[darkman97Participant]

I posted a forum dealing with this topic and how it’ll effect the small market teams. I really think this is totally different than the "Super Team" of the Lakers and Celtics of past and even the Lakers and Bulls of not so distant past. The difference is the amount of talent is watered down in my opinion due to the more teams in the league compared to what was there in the ’80’s. Also many of these players are the face of their teams that they are leaving. LBJ didn’t play for Cleveland he WAS Cleveland. Same for D-Will, Melo and Bosh. They were the focal point of the team. Back in the day, (and don’t quote me on this) I believe that the Lakers (minus Kareem) and the Celtics "Super Teams" were built together. Meaning that yeah they were loaded with talent, but talent that grew together into this special group not put together like the ’92 Dream Team. I have much respect for teams that build from within. Am I wrong in feeling this way?

[darkman97Participant]

I posted a forum dealing with this topic and how it’ll effect the small market teams. I really think this is totally different than the "Super Team" of the Lakers and Celtics of past and even the Lakers and Bulls of not so distant past. The difference is the amount of talent is watered down in my opinion due to the more teams in the league compared to what was there in the ’80’s. Also many of these players are the face of their teams that they are leaving. LBJ didn’t play for Cleveland he WAS Cleveland. Same for D-Will, Melo and Bosh. They were the focal point of the team. Back in the day, (and don’t quote me on this) I believe that the Lakers (minus Kareem) and the Celtics "Super Teams" were built together. Meaning that yeah they were loaded with talent, but talent that grew together into this special group not put together like the ’92 Dream Team. I have much respect for teams that build from within. Am I wrong in feeling this way?

[The lake show2]

So let me get this straight. Only the stars should have to stay but no one has a problem when they trade the nonstars that don’t wanna me traded or cut guys who don’t wanna be cut. The problem is The NBA wanting to continue to expand when they don’t have the talent to expand. I don’t feel bad for the owners at all nor the palyers. This is a business and the owners have always treated it as such, so there should be no problem if the players do the same thing. If i dont wanna work for a certain company i should have the right to try to work for a different company reguardless if i’m a millionaire or making 10.50 a hr. If i’m under contract i can still ask to play somewhere else but the owners still have the leverage because they can send the player anywhere they wanna send them( Melo wasn’t gonna sign a extension with other teams but there were teams willing to trade for him anyway thinking they could convince him or that they could win with him just being there for one season)

[The lake show2]

So let me get this straight. Only the stars should have to stay but no one has a problem when they trade the nonstars that don’t wanna me traded or cut guys who don’t wanna be cut. The problem is The NBA wanting to continue to expand when they don’t have the talent to expand. I don’t feel bad for the owners at all nor the palyers. This is a business and the owners have always treated it as such, so there should be no problem if the players do the same thing. If i dont wanna work for a certain company i should have the right to try to work for a different company reguardless if i’m a millionaire or making 10.50 a hr. If i’m under contract i can still ask to play somewhere else but the owners still have the leverage because they can send the player anywhere they wanna send them( Melo wasn’t gonna sign a extension with other teams but there were teams willing to trade for him anyway thinking they could convince him or that they could win with him just being there for one season)

[MelParticipant]

 I am and will always be on the player’s side as opposed to owners. 

Tell my why should players be "Loyal" when he runs his own destiny. The GM/Front Office isn’t loyal to the player when the player is shipped off sometimes without notice. 

The Fans should be upset but not ownership. Ownership in sports have been just as cut throat as the players are made out to be.

When Pat Ewing, a god to Knicks fans, was traded to Seattle towards the end of his career, was it right? It was business. 

If James and Bosh leave via free agency, it is well within their right to.

Melo did not sign the extension. Did he have to? No. Sure it was a distraction, but should you as an employee sign your name on a paper somewhere you no longer want to be.

There’s no loyalty in this business. 

Chris Paul will most likely bolt NOLA. The Ownership could not properly run the team so the NBA took it over. Is it CP3’s fault he cannot rely on ownership to put the pieces around him?

This is not a player issue. If they are not breaking rules, then who is at fault if they want better teammates.

 

[MelParticipant]

 I am and will always be on the player’s side as opposed to owners. 

Tell my why should players be "Loyal" when he runs his own destiny. The GM/Front Office isn’t loyal to the player when the player is shipped off sometimes without notice. 

The Fans should be upset but not ownership. Ownership in sports have been just as cut throat as the players are made out to be.

When Pat Ewing, a god to Knicks fans, was traded to Seattle towards the end of his career, was it right? It was business. 

If James and Bosh leave via free agency, it is well within their right to.

Melo did not sign the extension. Did he have to? No. Sure it was a distraction, but should you as an employee sign your name on a paper somewhere you no longer want to be.

There’s no loyalty in this business. 

Chris Paul will most likely bolt NOLA. The Ownership could not properly run the team so the NBA took it over. Is it CP3’s fault he cannot rely on ownership to put the pieces around him?

This is not a player issue. If they are not breaking rules, then who is at fault if they want better teammates.

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

Toronto has direct flights to Paris….

[OhCanada-Participant]

Toronto has direct flights to Paris….

[MelParticipant]

 And another thing:

The NFL Franchise Tag has nothing to do with holding on to a player, but how much they want to pay that particular Player. 

The NBA has a salary cap so the larger market city cannot pay Player X more than the small market team.

This is a new generation of players it seems. They are taking more control of their careers than any other generation and it bothers people I suppose. 

[MelParticipant]

 And another thing:

The NFL Franchise Tag has nothing to do with holding on to a player, but how much they want to pay that particular Player. 

The NBA has a salary cap so the larger market city cannot pay Player X more than the small market team.

This is a new generation of players it seems. They are taking more control of their careers than any other generation and it bothers people I suppose. 

[OhCanada-Participant]

"What we’re left with: We gave up a surefire Hall of Famer, who is only 26, for four New York Knicks starters. This is like acquiring the four best mountain climbers in Nebraska. Among Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari and Timofey Mozgov (who, I believe, doesn’t even exist), not one is in the top 35 in scoring or rebounding."

They need to stop there whining we traded Bosh for James Johnson lol.

[OhCanada-Participant]

"What we’re left with: We gave up a surefire Hall of Famer, who is only 26, for four New York Knicks starters. This is like acquiring the four best mountain climbers in Nebraska. Among Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari and Timofey Mozgov (who, I believe, doesn’t even exist), not one is in the top 35 in scoring or rebounding."

They need to stop there whining we traded Bosh for James Johnson lol.

[sheltwon3Participant]

I think media coverage makes this bigger than what it is.  It has been going on for years. It is harder to do legit trades now because guys are getting paid so much and you have some guys getting overpaid.  You could possibly trade a all star for a incoming good rookie and it worked money wise.  That does not happen now.  If Denver and Cleveland are smart and it appears Denver is, you will rebuild and gain picks and young talent and move on.  Cleveland is moving around like they dont have a clue.  I get tired of crybaby fans saying this is bad for basketball and the NBA.  Are you serious?  This has been great for the NBA.  The NBA is making more money.  You can be a member of the media by getting a degree and the right connections.  That does not mean you will write the truth or that your posts will not be bias.  The facts say that this is not a problem. 

The emotions of hurt fans say it is.  I dont see how the league is hurting.  There are more good teams now than there was in the past.  I remember back in the day, there was only really a few good teams.  It was like that same 8 teams.  There was a time where it was Bulls against the West.  There were only maybe 3 team below the bulls that could win contend and the Bulls kept beating them except for  Houston 2 titles.  Celtics won like 15 or 17 straight title with a loaded team.

Some of you guys are here get easily swayed by your emotions and some media guy with Jealousy in his heart.  Media people change companies a lot.  I remember someone being on Fox news than Espn, than NBAtv than Turner, than cnn.  They move around a lot and wish they made the money or had the leverage that players in the NBA can have.  New York fans deserved Melo as much as the Denver Nuggets fans did.  They sucked and Melo gave them 7 years in the playoffs.  They weren’t making the playoffs before then except for a few times and i think most of them were 1st round losses except when they beat Seatle Sonic when they posted that really good record.  I am sure George Karl remembers that.

George Karl is a coward for the snide comments he made to the media about Melo.  Melo did not force them to trade Billups.  They did not have to include Billups in the deal.  They made that decision.  Do the math.  Felton and Billups could have been left out of the deal.

Owners are foul and feed you lies and you want them to have all the control.

There is no way in my right mind I could even say that.  The owner are pimping their players.  We will pay you money but you have to earn and you can’t go anywhere else or else i will backhand you lol but seriously that is not right, Players need rights too and he had the right to be a free agent.  Owner be on some i will work you until you get to old and trade you for someone younger, that is loyalty for you.

[sheltwon3Participant]

I think media coverage makes this bigger than what it is.  It has been going on for years. It is harder to do legit trades now because guys are getting paid so much and you have some guys getting overpaid.  You could possibly trade a all star for a incoming good rookie and it worked money wise.  That does not happen now.  If Denver and Cleveland are smart and it appears Denver is, you will rebuild and gain picks and young talent and move on.  Cleveland is moving around like they dont have a clue.  I get tired of crybaby fans saying this is bad for basketball and the NBA.  Are you serious?  This has been great for the NBA.  The NBA is making more money.  You can be a member of the media by getting a degree and the right connections.  That does not mean you will write the truth or that your posts will not be bias.  The facts say that this is not a problem. 

The emotions of hurt fans say it is.  I dont see how the league is hurting.  There are more good teams now than there was in the past.  I remember back in the day, there was only really a few good teams.  It was like that same 8 teams.  There was a time where it was Bulls against the West.  There were only maybe 3 team below the bulls that could win contend and the Bulls kept beating them except for  Houston 2 titles.  Celtics won like 15 or 17 straight title with a loaded team.

Some of you guys are here get easily swayed by your emotions and some media guy with Jealousy in his heart.  Media people change companies a lot.  I remember someone being on Fox news than Espn, than NBAtv than Turner, than cnn.  They move around a lot and wish they made the money or had the leverage that players in the NBA can have.  New York fans deserved Melo as much as the Denver Nuggets fans did.  They sucked and Melo gave them 7 years in the playoffs.  They weren’t making the playoffs before then except for a few times and i think most of them were 1st round losses except when they beat Seatle Sonic when they posted that really good record.  I am sure George Karl remembers that.

George Karl is a coward for the snide comments he made to the media about Melo.  Melo did not force them to trade Billups.  They did not have to include Billups in the deal.  They made that decision.  Do the math.  Felton and Billups could have been left out of the deal.

Owners are foul and feed you lies and you want them to have all the control.

There is no way in my right mind I could even say that.  The owner are pimping their players.  We will pay you money but you have to earn and you can’t go anywhere else or else i will backhand you lol but seriously that is not right, Players need rights too and he had the right to be a free agent.  Owner be on some i will work you until you get to old and trade you for someone younger, that is loyalty for you.

[OhCanada-Participant]

The NBA is getting deeper and deeper. The only thing happening is better STAR players are agreeing to be role players on better teams. That just opens up possibilities for other teams to develop new star players. It will all work out, mega teams are just teams that are hyped up because they are good.

[OhCanada-Participant]

The NBA is getting deeper and deeper. The only thing happening is better STAR players are agreeing to be role players on better teams. That just opens up possibilities for other teams to develop new star players. It will all work out, mega teams are just teams that are hyped up because they are good.

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