Stop it with the Vice Carter & Penny Hardaway should be in the HOF..blasphemy!
There is no way VC should be in the Hall of Fame! What has he accomplished besides 8x all-star and those were voted by fans, check out his body of work:
8× NBA All-Star (2000–2007)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1999)
All-NBA Second Team (2001)
All-NBA Third Team (2000)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1999)
NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion (2000)
Sure, he's prob the greatest dunker of all-time but that doesn't get you into the HOF, He's never been first all-NBA and second and third once! Doesn't play a lick of D and could never play D, so stop it!
And now to Penny, yes, he was a very exciting player and versatile but he only had two-three great seasons (I know he was injured) but you cant' get in the HOF off of three good years! I must admit, he had some of the flyest kicks and little Penny was the man!
4× NBA All-Star (1995–1998)
2× All-NBA First Team (1995–1996)
All-NBA Third Team (1997)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1994)
NBA Rookie Challenge MVP (1994)
I know..I'm going to get some negs for this, but I hope someone can convince me on why these two deserve to be in the HOF. Thanks. Embrace debate...
carter was an iconic player with huge ups that the league just hadnt seen in a while. dont forget his time with the olympic team and you might want to add an olympic gold to his resume. not to mention the dunk of death. he should be able to find his way to the HOF.
The Basketball Hall of Fame has some of the most inconsistent standards/criteria to get inducted among all the major Halls. There have been lesser player who have made the Hall (Roger Brown, Calvin Murphy, Earl the Pearl, Frank Ramsey, etc) . For that reason I think VC makes it. He scored over 20 a game for a decade, was one of the best 3 pt shooting stars in the league. He actually had a good floor game, consistently around 4-5 asts per game as a volume scoring star. He went to the finals a couple of times so he had some team success. His career TS is very solid for a volume scorer. Career PER over 20. No he wasn't a good defender, but there are plenty of players in the Hall who weren't known for their defense: Chris Mullin , Reggie Miller and Bernard King to name a few recent inductees.
I think he'll make it, not because he deserves it but because of the lower, inconsistent standards of the BHoF. Ideally, a hall of fame should be comprised of the elites of the game. The BHoF isn't that.
siggy, well said! thank you! i'm all with you on this debate. i will say i think both should just get in based on reasons you just mentioned. vince which you eluded to,i say penny has ralph sampson to compare a hof player to get in. great beginning of career that had the look of an all time great that just missed a championship, making it to the finals.
Could people stop comparing players with good, short careers to Ralph Sampson? His accomplishments in college basketball had a ton of weight, more than his professional career, into being inducted into the Naismith BASKETBALL Hall of Fame (not just the NBA).
it's a fair comparison. the nba is full of players with great college careers. lawrence moten had a great college career. where the comparison would fall off is if the player didn't go down hill by injury, but rather off the court issues like michealray richardson or someone. so no-i wont stop a comparison like that. why can't someone have a friendly debate on here without this +/- crap? this is a basketball related topic, so i'm not going to stop something i can compare to from past players, because it's what we have to go off of.
Carter is an icon, one of the most popular players out there. He's 11th in 3pt field goals all time, and 27th in scoring. The way I see it, if Hal Greer is in the HOF, then Carter deserves to be in too.
Are you serious??? Hal was elected as one of the top 50th players, won a finals, won of the best on his team when they won the finals. And he was selected to 7 all nba second teams, vince just one, and no championships..you must be super young..
NBA champion (1967)
10× NBA All-Star (1961–1970)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (1968)
7× All-NBA Second Team (1963–1969)
NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team (1996)
The Book Of Basketball (Bill Simmons, ESPN) is an amazing book, which is mostly based on how he would restructure the HOF. He has a ton of great points, including one that goes a little something like this...
Rather than having general HOF with few categories, who not add in certain groups that signify "Hey, these were important players, just maybe not the best of the best for certain reasons." One he suggested was, I believe he called it, "The Comets." It would be a group who were destined for greatness but flamed out due to injuries, attitude issues or both. Guys like VC, Grant Hill, Hardaway, Yao, Maurice Stokes, Reggie Lewis, Drazen Petrovic, T-Mac, Shawn Kemp and others would be in this category.
Another one he suggested was elite role players (Bowen, Horry, Rambis, Satch Sanders, Steve Kerr, Brian Shaw, guys like that) which is being talked about quite a bit on NBA.com right now.
@Siggy You have some really good points, but what do you mean by went to the finals a couple of times? VC has never been that deep in the playoffs (he joined Orlando the year after their finals appearance, and joined the Nets after their bask to bask finals trips as well).
i like this idea to, but it's opening a new can of worms here. the thing is though, it seems like the nba is a little more lenient lately of who makes the hof and who doesn't compared to other sports. the nba is also often the trend setters of the sports, i think other sports will include more former players in their hof. i like some of simmons' ideas though. "the comets" is a great analogy. the elite role players should have recognition of some sort with their importance. i would give credit to some players in to more of what they did for the game as opposed to how good they were like a geoff petrie or gene shue. but as the system in place is right now, what we have is past players/coaches, etc. to compare off of, so it's what i roll with.
Yeah you're right, he made the ECF only once with the Magic. He was with the team the yr they made it. That run leading that Raps squad (who's 2nd best player was Antonio Davis) to the brink of the ECF in his 3rd yr was pretty special though. He was one of the elites in the game at one point in time.
Vince was way too much of a basketball culture icon to not make the Hall of Fame. He may not have the accomplishments that would automatically warrant a vote but his status as arguably the greatest dunker of all time solidifies his standing as being famous in the basketball world for generations to come, whether or not this organization formally honors and acknowledges him or not.
I think Vince gets in.
He was by far the most popular player in the league at one point, and in my opinion is the greatest dunker of all time. He truly was elite, just never had good enough teammates while he was in his prime.
He doesn't have all the accomplishments you like to see in a HOF'er but he's a player that will always be remembered when it's all said and done. Whether he goes hall of fame or not, what he did while he was in this league will not be forgotten.
You're forgetting that Vince Carter was a 2nd team All American in college, an Olympic Gold Medalist in 2000 (with the best in game dunk ever, and a 20,000 point career scorer. Every person except Mitch Richmond and Tom Chambers who is eligible for the Hall who has scored 20,000 points is in, the only ones not in are the ones who are still playing or the 5 year period hasn't passed yet.
It's the basketball Hall of Fame not the NBA Hall of Fame.
Penny Hardaway who is my favorite player of all time, unfortunately won't make it. Statistically he just doesn't stack up. He does have a gold medal from the 1996 Olympics, he was a first team all american in college, 4x all star, 2x all nba 1st team, 1 time on the 3rd team, but he just didn't play healthy long enough.
While I agree neither player deserves to make it...it's called the Hall of Fame, not Hall of Accomplishments. Vince Carter was about as big of a name as it gets and he'll probably get in. If he gets in, T-Mac should be a lock though (he made 7 All NBA teams as opposed 3 and was unanimmously considered the better player at his peak).
Y2g, that was a stupid comment..lmao..talking bout the hall is only for famous people...rotfl
You're an idiot so I wouldn't expect you to understand my comment.
You are the person that its about how famous you is.. Not the accomplishments.. Stats are the 1st thing voters look at..you wrong brah