[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 This is a very tricky discussion because on one hand you have the eye test and on the other hand you have advanced metrics/stats. I had plenty of heated discussion on how good of a defender is Curry and how much did he actually improve or is it just the scheme of the defense. Well i’m going to use simple logic that everyone can understand where i’m getting at/coming from.

I believe Stephen Curry defense is overrated by what the stats say and what fans/media/analyst say/read. Let’s get this out the way Stephen Curry is number 2 in point guards in defensive win shares, second in defensive RPM, and plenty more outstanding defensive numbers. My theory is that hiis numbers are that good mostly because that he plays with a great defensive supporting casr and all he have to do is work hard and try hard. 

Let me futher elaberate on that theory.one of Stephen Curry biggest defenesive stats is opponents effeciency/field goal percentage, that’s mostly how all the defensive metrics is. Most of all NBA players most effecient shot is the layup and their most effecient spot on the floor is the paint. Andrew Bogut is the third best rim protector in the league in terms of field goal percentage at the rim. So by that logic you come to believe that most of the NBA players most effecient shot is getting distrupted by Bogut, not Curry.

Most Warriors fans would point out that this is the same roster as previous years, but this is a new defensive scheme and new defensive philosophy. Like i’ve said all Stephen Curry have to do is try hard and work hard because if he gets beat they have Bogut usually protecting the paint, NBA players most effecient shot. The team is filled with tons of great defenders so it’s easier to hide Stephen Curry defense, even if guarding the point guard. The Warriors guard players by making them taking the most ineffecient shot possible, the mid range jump shot. 

Let’s take a look at another fellow point guard who I feel is the best defensive point guard in the league, John Wall. He does not have great rim protector and he is ask to he the head of the defenese. Take him off the floor and the Wizards defensive effeciency take a huge downward leap, top 5 defensive team when he’s on the court to bottom 5 defensive team when off the court. That’s how I view who’s a great defender. You have to look at supporting cast and what he’s ask to do. Stephen Curry don’t have to be the head of the defense and is being backed by 4 great defensive starters in Klay Thompson, Harrison Barnes, Draymond Green, and Andrew Bogut + Andre Igoudola and Festus Ezile.

Also, another example is look at Kyrie Irving defensive numbers pre- and post-Timofey Mozgov. It’s night and day. It’s easier to just be gamblers and just trying hard to put up better numbers because they have an elite rim protector.

I believe Curry improved on defense to below average to a little above it, but I don’t believe the numbers that say he’s a top 5 defensive in the NBA.  

 

 

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 You’ve put lots of thought into this, and I agree with everything you said. I don’t think this is exactly breaking news though. I think most people recognize that Curry isn’t on the floor to be a lockdown defender. He’ll never be considered a stopper, whats more important is that he isn’t a liability on the floor which I don’t think he is. 

Anyone who says he’s a top 5 defensive PG is taking that advanced analytics/metrics too far. 

 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 You’ve put lots of thought into this, and I agree with everything you said. I don’t think this is exactly breaking news though. I think most people recognize that Curry isn’t on the floor to be a lockdown defender. He’ll never be considered a stopper, whats more important is that he isn’t a liability on the floor which I don’t think he is. 

Anyone who says he’s a top 5 defensive PG is taking that advanced analytics/metrics too far. 

 

[JR RyderParticipant]

No one ever said Curry is a top 5 defensive PG. What is the point of this thread?

[JR RyderParticipant]

No one ever said Curry is a top 5 defensive PG. What is the point of this thread?

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 I believe i’ve said "most warrior fans". I might be wrong though. I’ve seen tons of Warrior fans claiming he’s an elite defender and he’s a top 5 point guard defender. Yeah, I believe i’ve said in the first paragraph that i’ve gotten into heated discussions about how good of a defender Stephen Curry is.

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 I believe i’ve said "most warrior fans". I might be wrong though. I’ve seen tons of Warrior fans claiming he’s an elite defender and he’s a top 5 point guard defender. Yeah, I believe i’ve said in the first paragraph that i’ve gotten into heated discussions about how good of a defender Stephen Curry is.

[JR RyderParticipant]

I live in Oakland and Ive been a Warriors fan since the Latrell Sprewell, Donyell Marshall days, good and bad. I dont see Curry as a great defender and neither does my fellow warrior fans. He disrupts passing lanes and causes steals but we dont think of Curry as a top 5 defender at his position and we dont ask him to be one because he already burdens alot of shouldering on offense. Hes average at best and thats good enough when your dropping 30 on opposing PGs

[JR RyderParticipant]

I live in Oakland and Ive been a Warriors fan since the Latrell Sprewell, Donyell Marshall days, good and bad. I dont see Curry as a great defender and neither does my fellow warrior fans. He disrupts passing lanes and causes steals but we dont think of Curry as a top 5 defender at his position and we dont ask him to be one because he already burdens alot of shouldering on offense. Hes average at best and thats good enough when your dropping 30 on opposing PGs

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 Do you believe that statement suppose to change anything becausw because I was talking about the Warriorsfans that I have encountered throughout the internet.

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 Do you believe that statement suppose to change anything becausw because I was talking about the Warriorsfans that I have encountered throughout the internet.

[JR RyderParticipant]

Warriors fans that youve encountered on the internet? Lol. Yea ok I bet theres like 2-3 of us here on this forum. Take it from someone who lives in the city surrounded by thousands.

[JR RyderParticipant]

Warriors fans that youve encountered on the internet? Lol. Yea ok I bet theres like 2-3 of us here on this forum. Take it from someone who lives in the city surrounded by thousands.

[Rip255]

 Is Jarrod Hayne likely to make the 49ers? I see he’s doing pretty good in pre-season. I don’t know how hard it is to make an NFL team, but he seems to have picked it up pretty easily. 

 

[Rip255]

 Is Jarrod Hayne likely to make the 49ers? I see he’s doing pretty good in pre-season. I don’t know how hard it is to make an NFL team, but he seems to have picked it up pretty easily. 

 

[BleedGreen808Participant]

 I’m pretty sure he was never considered a good defender so I wouldn’t say he’s overrated on defense.  However he did appear to improve on that end last season.  Klay Thompson has become a solid defender which has allowed Steph to spend some time off of the better point guards like CP3 and Westbrook.  Like you said the team has solid defenders that take the pressure off of Steph to be good defensively.  

[BleedGreen808Participant]

 I’m pretty sure he was never considered a good defender so I wouldn’t say he’s overrated on defense.  However he did appear to improve on that end last season.  Klay Thompson has become a solid defender which has allowed Steph to spend some time off of the better point guards like CP3 and Westbrook.  Like you said the team has solid defenders that take the pressure off of Steph to be good defensively.  

[Stop_basketball_nonsenseParticipant]

 I agree with your main point raycasey, if its analysts, advanced stats or stats in general say curry is a good defender. Now, about what warriors fans say or dont say is hearsay that I’ll leave alone. Curry does get hidden a lot within the warriors defensive scheme. I remember how in the finals most switches that occurred had curry switching off the ball, but it is what it is. Warriors not gonna risk their best offensive weapon getting into foul trouble, especially when his defense is border line average.

I think it’s interesting how good curry is on offense, but how average or seemingly sometimes less than average on defense yet he still won MVP. I mean you take 1 of the warriors better defenders off the squad maybe bogut, green, or iggy and the warriors have a very different season. You know how when MVPs sometimes say this is a team award when they win MVP, well in curry’s case it was dead on. Without their defense the warriors don’t win as many games, get to the finals, or win the finals( most credit goes to iggy for that).

 Curry is that guy on offense I just wish he would played more defense then I think him winning the MVP would have been more legit and deserving in.my eyes.

[Stop_basketball_nonsenseParticipant]

 I agree with your main point raycasey, if its analysts, advanced stats or stats in general say curry is a good defender. Now, about what warriors fans say or dont say is hearsay that I’ll leave alone. Curry does get hidden a lot within the warriors defensive scheme. I remember how in the finals most switches that occurred had curry switching off the ball, but it is what it is. Warriors not gonna risk their best offensive weapon getting into foul trouble, especially when his defense is border line average.

I think it’s interesting how good curry is on offense, but how average or seemingly sometimes less than average on defense yet he still won MVP. I mean you take 1 of the warriors better defenders off the squad maybe bogut, green, or iggy and the warriors have a very different season. You know how when MVPs sometimes say this is a team award when they win MVP, well in curry’s case it was dead on. Without their defense the warriors don’t win as many games, get to the finals, or win the finals( most credit goes to iggy for that).

 Curry is that guy on offense I just wish he would played more defense then I think him winning the MVP would have been more legit and deserving in.my eyes.

[sitlbitoParticipant]

 Defense is not an individual thing . StephCurry is the best player on the best defensive team,so he basically does all he needs to do in order for his team to guard the opponent well. He doesn’t have to be a Tony Allen type lockdown defender in order to be considered a good defender. Just do the team work,and he does it well.

[sitlbitoParticipant]

 Defense is not an individual thing . StephCurry is the best player on the best defensive team,so he basically does all he needs to do in order for his team to guard the opponent well. He doesn’t have to be a Tony Allen type lockdown defender in order to be considered a good defender. Just do the team work,and he does it well.

[Stop_basketball_nonsenseParticipant]

 Wait what?!!?. Me or the guy who made this topic never said they expect him to be a lockdown tony Allen type of defender. One just said stats say he’s "good on defense" when he isnt, he wss one of the league leaders in steals as an example, but gets to gamble for those steals a lot because of the plethora of elite defenders around him. Then I took what was facts to the next level, saying he does need to be better and the team defensive scheme saves him. 

I think you took it to far just to make a point. Like I said who ever said he had to be a.lockdown defender? Could he atleast put up the defensive intensity of a bazemore? I know steph is a popular guy & this may rub some the wrong way, but am I wrong wanting my MVP to not look lost on defense at times? Lebron, kobe,Duncan,Allen Iverson, mj,garnett all were great defenfers on good defensive teams when they won championships and MVP honors, and all were still elite offensive players even though Garnett won MVP before he got to.Boston, but still. 

Stephen.curry, hands down one of the best players in tbe league. I just feel while his teammates defense wins the most of their games he gets to on.mosts nights shine on offense, show off his arsenal of shots, and its so easy and carefree for him to run and gun because of their defense. Curry top 3 point guards in the league, his offense os that good, but his defense needed to be better in.my opinion to win MVP over harden who clearly did more with less.

 

 

 

[Stop_basketball_nonsenseParticipant]

 Wait what?!!?. Me or the guy who made this topic never said they expect him to be a lockdown tony Allen type of defender. One just said stats say he’s "good on defense" when he isnt, he wss one of the league leaders in steals as an example, but gets to gamble for those steals a lot because of the plethora of elite defenders around him. Then I took what was facts to the next level, saying he does need to be better and the team defensive scheme saves him. 

I think you took it to far just to make a point. Like I said who ever said he had to be a.lockdown defender? Could he atleast put up the defensive intensity of a bazemore? I know steph is a popular guy & this may rub some the wrong way, but am I wrong wanting my MVP to not look lost on defense at times? Lebron, kobe,Duncan,Allen Iverson, mj,garnett all were great defenfers on good defensive teams when they won championships and MVP honors, and all were still elite offensive players even though Garnett won MVP before he got to.Boston, but still. 

Stephen.curry, hands down one of the best players in tbe league. I just feel while his teammates defense wins the most of their games he gets to on.mosts nights shine on offense, show off his arsenal of shots, and its so easy and carefree for him to run and gun because of their defense. Curry top 3 point guards in the league, his offense os that good, but his defense needed to be better in.my opinion to win MVP over harden who clearly did more with less.

 

 

 

[sitlbitoParticipant]

" but gets to gamble for those steals a lot because of the plethora of elite defenders around him. Then I took what was facts to the next level, saying he does need to be better and the team defensive scheme saves him." That’s the point I was making. He’s a "defensive role player" if I can put it that way. When guysq are 3 and D player,we say they are efficient pffensive player. Steph Curry doesn’t have to be a beast on defense but he’s effective. So to counter your point,he’s in no way shape or form,bad. It’s a team sport,and his team is the best defense in the NBA,so…

[sitlbitoParticipant]

" but gets to gamble for those steals a lot because of the plethora of elite defenders around him. Then I took what was facts to the next level, saying he does need to be better and the team defensive scheme saves him." That’s the point I was making. He’s a "defensive role player" if I can put it that way. When guysq are 3 and D player,we say they are efficient pffensive player. Steph Curry doesn’t have to be a beast on defense but he’s effective. So to counter your point,he’s in no way shape or form,bad. It’s a team sport,and his team is the best defense in the NBA,so…

[HeroescantdieParticipant]

I think the rosters of GS like Thompson, Igouadala, Barnes, Green and Livingston can guard players effectively so I think Curry’s defensive deficiency are somewhat hidden or not much of a factor   

[HeroescantdieParticipant]

I think the rosters of GS like Thompson, Igouadala, Barnes, Green and Livingston can guard players effectively so I think Curry’s defensive deficiency are somewhat hidden or not much of a factor   

[Rip255]

 Having Bogut (top 3 rim protector, all things considered) makes a huge difference. All those guys can gamble when he’s protecting the paint and swallowing rebounds. 

[Rip255]

 Having Bogut (top 3 rim protector, all things considered) makes a huge difference. All those guys can gamble when he’s protecting the paint and swallowing rebounds. 

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