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- Posted on: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 6:38am #24386
dmo21ParticipantI got bored the other day and school is out, and I saw the topic for worst starter in the league, so I decided to use statistics to figure out who is the worst starters at each posiition in two categories, Pts/Reb/Ast and Efficiency. Take in mind these stats do not take in defense, leadership, roles and other attributes. These are just stats.
For Pts/Reb/Ast, the worst starters are:
Pg- Arroyo, Fisher
Sg- Bogans, Henry
Sf- Artest, Moon
Pf- S.Williams, McRoberts
C- Ilgauskas, B.Wallace
For Efficiency, it did not change much, here they are:
Pg- Arroyo, Fisher
Sg- Bogans, Henry
Sf- Greene, Artest
Pf- S.Williams, Hickson
C- Krstic, Ilgauskas
I was surprised to see Artest on both worst teams, even though he is not one of the primary guys on the Lakers, I thought he had better stats than that.
Also, after doing all these stats I figured the average Pts/Reb/Ast and Efficiency for each posiition to figure out which were the strongest and weakest positions in the NBA. The results actually matched my hypothesis with PF being the best followed by PG, than SF, C, and the weakest position in the league is SG.
With my averages for each position, I found the most average starter at each position. For Pts/Reb/Ast, the average team looks like this:
Pg- Nelsom
Sg- Redick
Sf- Hill
Pf- Green
C- M.Gasol
For Efficiency, the average team is:
Pg- Harris
Sg- B.Gordon
Sf- D.Wright
Pf- Humphries
C- Camby/Hawes
So, which average team do you think is better? Any surprises you see on the worst or average teams? Do you think the position rankings are accurate?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 7:18am #466127
NYK2010ParticipantWow I knew Artest was having a bad season but not that bad.
So many former or current Cavs on this list Ben Wallace, Big Z, Hickson.
Surprised to Marc Gasol and Jeff Green on that list or is that Donte Greene.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 7:41am #466130
dmo21ParticipantMarc Gasol and Jeff Green are on the average team, not the worst team. But I thought they would both be a little better than average.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 7:43am #466131
DanEboyParticipantHenry Bogans is Keith Bogans right?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 8:04am #466135
dmo21ParticipantEach worst position has two players (the two worst). So yes Bogans is Keith Bogans, and the Henry stands for Xavier Henry, the starting SG for the Grizz. They are the 2 worst starters, statistically.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 8:25am #466145
Mr. 19134ParticipantNice research…Surprised Nelson made the average list but then I thought about his limited numbers and it didn’t surprise me but I still thought he was better then most. Jeff Green has turned himself into a scoring forward instead of a facilitator so he doesn’t get many rebounds assists or steals and blocks no surprise.
You should name the most efficient starters not stars that would be interesting.
The most intriguing moment of the piece was that shooting guard is the weakest position in the league and PF is the highest. This is very interesting and makes me understand why somebody like Evan Turner went 2nd in the draft a 2 guard and players who could be pure PF’s like Cousins and Favors dropped below him. Big men are getting better the days of stud 2 guards seems to be over in the NBA for right now all the great players are points guards or forwards.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 9:04am #466155
dmo21ParticipantI acutally thought shooting guard or center were going to be the worst, because when looking at all star games, you only have Kobe and Wade as sure fire all stars, and the next in line are good to mediocre.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 9:04am #466156
DanEboyParticipantI should have read it more closely…….
Yeah, I agree, nice research.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 9:10am #466159
dmo21ParticipantThe best team for Pts/Reb/Ast is:
Pg- Rose
Sg- Bryant
Sf- James
Pf- Love
C- Stoudemire
The best team for Efficiency is a little different and looks like this:
Pg- Paul/Williams
Sg- Wade
Sf- James
Pf- Love
C- P.Gasol
So top 2 MVP’s Love and Lebron? lol.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 12:36pm #466181
McWinningParticipantI still dont get why the Heat dont start Chalmers now.
Unless they want him as a spark off the bench.
Arroya doesnt really do anything and hes a liability on defense,
0- Posted on: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 1:15pm #466186
FritzParticipantLike the data you collected, It would be interesting if you did an evaluation of teams this way, like if you found for each team what position each of their players in their starting line up would have, heres just a made up example for the bulls
Pts/Reb/Ast
Rose-1
Bogans-29
Deng-9
Boozer-8
Noah-9
Average rank=11.9 (just an example not their actualy rank)
Then average their numbers and rank teams based on who has the lowest average number, you could also do this and include like their best 8 players to include the bench, wouldnt work past that though because guys like Brian Scalibrine shouldnt bring down a teams average if they dont play significant minutes.
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- Posted on: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 2:42pm #466200
dmo21ParticipantI can do that lol. It is already set up on a spread sheet. I’ll post it up later tonight after i figure it all out. Thanks for the great idea!
0 - Posted on: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 5:23pm #466230
dmo21ParticipantThese are the team rankings based on the rankings of each starter in their respective position realted to the statistic of Pts/Reb/Ast. Average player ranking and individual positional ranking will be in brackets.
1) Golden State(10.2): Curry(8), Ellis(2), D.Wright(13), Lee(9), Biedrins(19)
1) New York(10.2): Felton(5), Fields(18), Chandler(7), Gallinari(20), Stoudemire(1)
3) Chicago(10.6): Rose(1), Bogans(30), Deng(10), Boozer(6), Noah(6)
4) Boston(11.6): Rondo(7), Allen(11), Pierce(9), Garnett(14), O’Neal(17)
5) Memphis(13): Conley(16), Henry(28), Gay(4), Randolph(4), M.Gasol(13)
5) Portland(13): Miller(18), Matthews(10), Roy(14), Aldridge(7), Camby(16)
7) Utah(13.4): D.Williams(2), Bell(27), Kirilenk(19), Millsap(11), Jefferson(8)
8) Lakers(14.2): Fisher(29), Bryant(1), Artest(30), Odom(8), P.Gasol(3)
8) Orlando(14.2): Nelson(15), Redick(14), J.Richardson(12), Turkoglu(28), Howard(2)
10) Atlanta(14.6): Bibby(28), J.Johnson(7), M.Williams(22), J.Smith(12), Horford(4)
10) Houston(14.6): Brooks(18), Martin(5), Battier(23), Scola(5), Hayes(22)
10) San Antonio(14.6): Parker(10), Ginobili(6), R.Jefferson(18), Duncan(15), Blair(24)
10) New Orleans(14.6): Paul(6), Bellinelli(22), Ariza(20), West(10), Okafor(15)
14) Oklahoma City(14.8): Westbrook(2), Sefolosha(26), Durant(2), Green(17), Krstic(27)
15) Miami(15.2): Arroyo(30), Wade(3), James(1), Bosh(12), Ilgauskas(30)
16) Minnesota(16): Ridnour(27), Johnson(25), Beasley(6), Love(1), Milicic(21)
17) Clippers(16.2): Davis(26), Gordon(4), Gomes(26), Griffin(2), Jordan(23)
18) Indiana(16.6): Collison(25), Dunleavy(15), Granger(4), McRoberts(29), Hibbert(10)
19) Phoenix(16.8): Nash(4), Carter(13), Hill(15), Frye(24), Lopez(28)
20) Denver(17): Billups(22), Afflalo(19), Anthony(3), S.Williams(30), Nene(11)
20) Washington(17): Wall(9), Hinrich(16), Thornton(24), Blatche(16), McGee(20)
22) Charlotte(17.4): Augustin(23), Jackson(9), Wallace(8), Diaw(21), Mohammed(26)
22) Milwaukee(17.4): Jennings(11), Salmons(17), CDR(27), Ilyasova(25), Bogut(7)
24) Sacramento(17.8): Udrih(21), Evans(7), Greene(28), Landry(21), Cousins(12)
24) New Jersy(17.8): Harris(12), Morrow(20), Outlaw(25), Humphries(23), Lopez(9)
24) Toronto(17.8): Calderon(16), DeRozan(20), Weems(21), Johnson(27), Bargnani(5)
27) Dallas(18): Kidd(24), Stevenson(28), Butler(17), Nowitzki(3), Chandler(18)
27) Detroit(18): Stuckey(14), Gordon(12), Prince(16), Villanueva(19), B.Wallace(29)
29) Philadelphia(19.4): Holiday(20), Meeks(24), Iguodala(10), Brand(18), Hawes(25)
30) Cleveland(21): M.Williams(13), Parker(23), Moon(29), Hickson(26), Varejao(14)
0 - Posted on: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 7:43pm #466258
the lake showThat’s wild. this really proves how stats aren’t everything. look at Dallas
0 - Posted on: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 9:08pm #466268
BasketBalAllanParticipantor just that pts/reb/ast are not everything…
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